Sennheiser HD800S Unveiled!
Jul 3, 2016 at 2:32 PM Post #4,921 of 6,504
HD800S are really unbright and I have a neutral setup with the Vega having the Sabre 9018 DAC which is considered bright, I'm somewhat sensitive to brightness but I would really call the HD800S as balanced, really worth the buy, but then again HD800 are known to be bright headphones in general and a good setup is recommended.
 
I'm really happy with the HD800S and on both Sound Quality and Build Quality I'd give them 10/10 while my LCD-3 I'd give 8/10 for sound quality and Build Quality would be a 4/10
 
Jul 3, 2016 at 2:59 PM Post #4,922 of 6,504
Most times I consider a headphone "bright" it's because the music I'm listening to is mastered/recorded brightly. If I'm interested to continue listening to the brighter recordings but like the general qualities of the HP I'm using, I equalize.

Labeling a piece of gear mellow or bright is pointless unless the software and other hardware used is identified.

My 800S will sound bright with less-than acceptably mastered recordings. Hell, the HE-5LE, the King of Mellow, also sounds bright with these recordings.
 
Jul 3, 2016 at 3:28 PM Post #4,923 of 6,504
The HD 800 S isn't bright, it's neutral. But the HD 800 S can sound thin or bright when doing A/B comparison to a bass heavy headphones for example (my ears somehow adjusts to a headphone if I listen to it for 5 minutes )
 
Jul 3, 2016 at 3:36 PM Post #4,924 of 6,504
Words of wisdom Mambo! I am amazed by the quality I get, its ultimate in a portable form, I advise you try the HD800S.
HD650 is the best bang for the buck though, it's really really good, but HD800S is better.
I'd say regardless of price

SQ: HD650 is 80%
SQ: HD800S is 110%

Ease of use : HD650 is 70%
Ease of use : HD800S is 95%

Comfort : HD650 is 90%
Comfort : HD800S is 95%

Silent frame : HD650 is 40%
Silent frame : HD800S is 100%

Ease of drive : HD650 is 50%
Ease of drive : HD800S is 55%

Build quality : HD650 is 70%
Build quality : HD800S is 200%

 
Jul 3, 2016 at 4:05 PM Post #4,926 of 6,504
100% like a 10 , the perfect score. I sometimes get more than what can be expected with HD800S. My single opinion in a hundred though.
Build quality and sound quality exceeded my expectations in what can be done in state of the art headphones.
 
Jul 3, 2016 at 4:16 PM Post #4,927 of 6,504
Words of wisdom Mambo! I am amazed by the quality I get, its ultimate in a portable form, I advise you try the HD800S.
HD650 is the best bang for the buck though, it's really really good, but HD800S is better.
I'd say regardless of price

SQ: HD650 is 80%
SQ: HD800S is 110%

Ease of use : HD650 is 70%
Ease of use : HD800S is 95%

Comfort : HD650 is 90%
Comfort : HD800S is 95%

Silent frame : HD650 is 40%
Silent frame : HD800S is 100%

Ease of drive : HD650 is 50%
Ease of drive : HD800S is 55%

Build quality : HD650 is 70%
Build quality : HD800S is 200%



what's 'harder to use' regarding HD650?

I got HD800S and really like them.
 
Jul 3, 2016 at 4:32 PM Post #4,928 of 6,504
Ease of use for me is switching the cable between when I use portable setup or when I want to use desktop tube amp. The hd800S metal plugs are a big part of the difference. The other difference is the pads material, is gathering less dust and hair than the HD650 material which is like a dust magnet.
And the adjusting mechanism of hd800S is more robust feeling and precise than the prehistoric HD650 head band.
Those are the factors making them more user-friendly to me.
 
Jul 4, 2016 at 4:09 PM Post #4,929 of 6,504
I'm not sure if something is wrong with my HD 800 S, but my HD 650 has more "extreme treble" (I suppose it's around 13k+??) than my HD 800 S according to my ears? Or maybe what I hear is the grain of the HD 650?
 
Jul 4, 2016 at 5:19 PM Post #4,930 of 6,504
I have both the HD 800 S and the HD 650, and never had the impression of odd treble peaks with the HD 650. I expect that you hear the grain of the HD 650. The HD 800 (S) certainly has more treble extension, which ís a problem for some people (I can also hear those frequencies as well, but above 10 kHz they are no real problem for me). But I never heard something like that about the HD 650. However, its treble is quite grainy to my ears too. Maybe your  Taurus II with its quite revealing treble sparkle contributes to that.
 
Jul 5, 2016 at 9:15 AM Post #4,931 of 6,504
I suppose so. I was testing the HD 600 and HD 650 today to see if it was worth buying the HD 600 and it was even worse than the HD 650. So I suppose it is the grain. But it wasn't on a good setup though.
 
Jul 5, 2016 at 10:10 AM Post #4,932 of 6,504
Most times I consider a headphone "bright" it's because the music I'm listening to is mastered/recorded brightly. If I'm interested to continue listening to the brighter recordings but like the general qualities of the HP I'm using, I equalize.

Labeling a piece of gear mellow or bright is pointless unless the software and other hardware used is identified.

My 800S will sound bright with less-than acceptably mastered recordings. Hell, the HE-5LE, the King of Mellow, also sounds bright with these recordings.

 
Right! The source is what it is and there is no changing it. There are no repeatable standards when it comes to making a recording. Recording venues. the hardware chain, mic positioning, the different performers / ensembles, music period type, instruments used, different producers, the number of  possibilities seems infinite. I'm no expert on jazz or popular music, but make no mistake, with classical recordings different labels have very different "house" sounds. DG versus Philips, versus Decca/London, versus EMI/Angel and on and on. As an example, DG recordings, particularly from the 70's and 80's, always strike me as slightly up in energy in the highs and slightly down in energy in the bass which promotes a very dry, analytical sound presentation. A system that emphasizes highs and is thin in the bass may make for an unpleasant listening experience. That being said, DG recordings of the Berlin P.O. made in the Berlin Philharmonie versus DG recordings made by the Vienna Philharmonic or Vienna S.O.in the Musikverein will sound different from one another with Vienna being a bit warmer, different venues with different hall acoustics, orchestras, etc.. Philips recordings have a slight spectrum tilt the opposite from DG with softer sounding highs and richer bass with recordings made in the Concertgebouw, Amsterdam. Decca's strike me as full-blooded,dynamic, up-front and very transparent, EMI's have more hall air than some others.
 
I note here that I am red book only, no interest in d/l content and most of the recordings I'm interested in probably are not available any way other than CD, and with over 1200 of them I have no interest in re-buying my collection.
 
Putting together systems for myself (and a few friends) for close to 50 years has taught me that buying a chain if hardware, no matter how highly regarded the equipment and how well it measures and then throwing a transducer on the end of it, has never worked for me.  The technical prowess of any piece of gear I've auditioned will not necessarily translate to a better listening experience. You gotta listen for yourself and get what sounds best to you. Putting a system together "isn't a sprint, it's a marathon" and should take some time, and can be an ever evolving process.
 
That's why when I started putting together my stand alone HP station back in January this year, I auditioned gear in combinations that gives me the the sound presentation I like with the widest variety and variability of recorded quality, including jazz and rock, in my collection. I would never base a listening decision based on a limited number of recordings or a short time frame of experience. I've been using Senn 600's and Oppo PM-1's to evaluate the metal boxes and I'm satisfied with the boxes I now have. I'm thinking about cabling at this point in conjunction with an "end-game" headphone.
 
For me, the source and transducer are the 2 most important considerations and the most variable with respect to how it's all going to sound at the end of the build. The differences in the sound of the stuff in between the start and finish are small by comparison. Coloration's in the chain can add or subtract to the signal providing a pleasing listening experience, or a nasty one. But the transducer can never sound better than the source. Anything that comes in between the beginning and the end has to compliment the shortcomings of my recording, as well as is possible.  Tubes versus transistors? Pick the coloration's you prefer. I accept the fact that I will have to make compromises.
 
Enough rambling commentary...
 
Jul 9, 2016 at 9:21 AM Post #4,933 of 6,504
I had just placed my order of the Sennheiser HD800S couple of days ago from Meier-Audio after seeing many positive feedback from users here on Head-Fi.
 
I would also like to thank Jan from Meier-Audio for his professionalism and expertise regarding warranty claims and shipping related matters since I needed the headphones to be shipped to Singapore.
 
His email replies were always instantaneous and straight to the point.
 
I can't wait to get my hands on the headphones when they arrive 
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