Hifiman Edition X
Jan 22, 2016 at 3:58 PM Post #1,441 of 4,030
I have not used my HEK with my Hugo thus far...only with my Yiggy/Rago combo...so i cannot comment,that said once again the HEX sounds terrific out of the Hugo or Mojo and with my Vorzuge pure II+...they msy not be as versatile as some would like but they do sound terrific....of that there is no doubt and I find them very light and comfortable
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 5:52 PM Post #1,442 of 4,030
I have had the HEX for about a week now. Immediately out of the box I found myself loving the tonality and musicality of these even on my smartphone. I'm primarily using them at work with my portable Bakoon HPA-01M amp through the current mode, and using the Centrance DACPort Mini as DAC. I can definitely hear a difference between unamped and through my Bakoon. The biggest difference I can hear is the increase in dynamic range and clearer instrument separation. Unamped they sound good but very two dimensional despite the great soundstage. It sounds as if all the layers of sound are flattened into one and placed with a decent soundstage away from your ears. Once amped, the music layers begin to separate out and fill that soundstage. Also, you can hear the quiet parts more easily, rather than everything seeming to be the same volume (better dynamics).
 
When I finally got around to comparing the TH900 and HD800 I have at home, my first impression switching from either of those to the HEX was noticing that the HEX seemed veiled. I never felt it was veiled until I compared it to the HD800/TH900. I think this is because there's less treble on the HEX. However, after a minute of switching, that veil disappears and all the details I want are there. Switching back to the HD800/TH900, those now sound shrill and unnatural. Before I never thought the TH900 was really mid-recessed like the reviews say, but I could definitely hear it now. I always felt the HD800 was a little bass light, but overall the sound signature was balanced, but after switching from the HEX, it now sounded shrill and without body. Again if I listen to the HD800/TH900 for a while, that disappears, though not as quickly as the veil disappeared for the HEX.
 
Ultimately, the HEX does not have as much details as the HD800 or even the TH900, but it's far more musical. I feel it has enough detail retrieval to sound hifi. The sub bass can be a bit loose, which is apparent when switching from the TH900, but there's no mid bass hump that bleeds into the mids. I've only had a few problems with the bass in tracks like "Times Like These" by Foo Fighters, but that's more of a recording issue. Even on the HD800 there's some flabbiness to the bass, though it's less apparent than from the HEX. The TH900 cleans up the bass better on this track. The highs are lessened compared to HD800/TH900, but it's still there to prevent the headphones from sounding dark. The quality of the treble is quite impressive and airy. I may be flamed for saying this, but reminds be of some of the airy treble I've heard from electrostatics. However, because it's not emphasized, it's not very apparent unless you listen for it or a track has more prominent treble. The mids are the soul of these headphones and sound very musical. I don't think I've heard any mids quite as musical other than the HEK or STAX SR-007/009.
 
I think when people say these are veiled, or have a gray background, or aren't transparent, I think it's because of the signature that does not boost treble and also the prominent, but not tightest sub bass. I think if these had the TH900 sub bass, they would be pretty much perfect for me. Because they are easy to drive through a smartphone, the scaling is more subtle. With amping the transparency, imaging, and dynamics definitely improves, but not so much micro details, which I think most people are looking for when it comes to scaling on higher end gear. And the HEX isn't one of those headphones that sounds dark or veiled when listening it to it by like I've heard in others, Audioquest NightHawk for example. It only sounds less resolving when do back to back comparison with treblier headphone like the HD800. I don't consider the HEX dark at all.
 
One other interesting note is that I've been taking the HEX and Bakoon with me to work each day and then taking them back home. The fact it's portable in this sense is a plus for me. I'm actually able to have more time to listen to these headphones during my normal day than the desktop gear I would otherwise keep at home.
 
I think if I still feel this way after a month, and that it's not just a temporary infatuation, I'm going to sell my HD800, TH900, and all my desktop gear because I am enjoying these more for the musicality. Sometimes details isn't everything, and it's more about enjoying the music than analyzing it and hearing every 0,1 (or groove if you're listening to vinyls).
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Gear:
At home: Emotiva DC-1 -> Questyle CMA800R -> HD800, DC-1 -> Bakoon HPA-01M -> TH900, DC-1 -> HPA-01M -> HEX
At work: Centrance DACPort Slim -> HPA-01M -> HEX
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 6:10 PM Post #1,443 of 4,030
  I have had the HEX for about a week now. Immediately out of the box I found myself loving the tonality and musicality of these even on my smartphone. I'm primarily using them at work with my portable Bakoon HPA-01M amp through the current mode, and using the Centrance DACPort Mini as DAC. I can definitely hear a difference between unamped and through my Bakoon. The biggest difference I can hear is the increase in dynamic range and clearer instrument separation. Unamped they sound good but very two dimensional despite the great soundstage. It sounds as if all the layers of sound are flattened into one and placed with a decent soundstage away from your ears. Once amped, the music layers begin to separate out and fill that soundstage. Also, you can hear the quiet parts more easily, rather than everything seeming to be the same volume (better dynamics).
 
When I finally got around to comparing the TH900 and HD800 I have at home, my first impression switching from either of those to the HEX was noticing that the HEX seemed veiled. I never felt it was veiled until I compared it to the HD800/TH900. I think this is because there's less treble on the HEX. However, after a minute of switching, that veil disappears and all the details I want are there. Switching back to the HD800/TH900, those now sound shrill and unnatural. Before I never thought the TH900 was really mid-recessed like the reviews say, but I could definitely hear it now. I always felt the HD800 was a little bass light, but overall the sound signature was balanced, but after switching from the HEX, it now sounded shrill and without body. Again if I listen to the HD800/TH900 for a while, that disappears, though not as quickly as the veil disappeared for the HEX.
 
Ultimately, the HEX does not have as much details as the HD800 or even the TH900, but it's far more musical. I feel it has enough detail retrieval to sound hifi. The sub bass can be a bit loose, which is apparent when switching from the TH900, but there's no mid bass hump that bleeds into the mids. I've only had a few problems with the bass in tracks like "Times Like These" by Foo Fighters, but that's more of a recording issue. Even on the HD800 there's some flabbiness to the bass, though it's less apparent than from the HEX. The TH900 cleans up the bass better on this track. The highs are lessened compared to HD800/TH900, but it's still there to prevent the headphones from sounding dark. The quality of the treble is quite impressive and airy. I may be flamed for saying this, but reminds be of some of the airy treble I've heard from electrostatics. However, because it's not emphasized, it's not very apparent unless you listen for it or a track has more prominent treble. The mids are the soul of these headphones and sound very musical. I don't think I've heard any mids quite as musical other than the HEK or STAX SR-007/009.
 
I think when people say these are veiled, or have a gray background, or aren't transparent, I think it's because of the signature that does not boost treble and also the prominent, but not tightest sub bass. I think if these had the TH900 sub bass, they would be pretty much perfect for me. Because they are easy to drive through a smartphone, the scaling is more subtle. With amping the transparency, imaging, and dynamics definitely improves, but not so much micro details, which I think most people are looking for when it comes to scaling on higher end gear.
 
One other interesting note is that I've been taking the HEX and Bakoon with me to work each day and then taking them back home. The fact it's portable in this sense is a plus for me. I'm actually able to have more time to listen to these headphones during my normal day than the desktop gear I would otherwise keep at home.
 
I think if I still feel this way after a month, and that it's not just a temporary infatuation, I'm going to sell my HD800, TH900, and all my desktop gear because I am enjoying these more for the musicality. Sometimes details isn't everything, and it's more about enjoying the music than analyzing it and hearing every 0,1 (or groove if you're listening to vinyls).
beerchug.gif

 
Gear:
At home: Emotiva DC-1 -> Questyle CMA800R -> HD800, DC-1 -> Bakoon HPA-01M -> TH900, DC-1 -> HPA-01M -> HEX
At work: Centrance DACPort Slim -> HPA-01M -> HEX

I could not say this any better myself ,you nailed this one, and the best part is:
 
"Sometimes details isn't everything, and it's more about enjoying the music than analyzing it and hearing every 0,1 (or groove if you're listening to vinyls)."
The HEX is the most musical HP to date IMPO and so easy to listen to ,listening to Diana Krall Live in Paris from Sony minidisc player, Outstanding!
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Jan 22, 2016 at 6:27 PM Post #1,444 of 4,030
  I have had the HEX for about a week now. Immediately out of the box I found myself loving the tonality and musicality of these even on my smartphone. I'm primarily using them at work with my portable Bakoon HPA-01M amp through the current mode, and using the Centrance DACPort Mini as DAC. I can definitely hear a difference between unamped and through my Bakoon. The biggest difference I can hear is the increase in dynamic range and clearer instrument separation. Unamped they sound good but very two dimensional despite the great soundstage. It sounds as if all the layers of sound are flattened into one and placed with a decent soundstage away from your ears. Once amped, the music layers begin to separate out and fill that soundstage. Also, you can hear the quiet parts more easily, rather than everything seeming to be the same volume (better dynamics).
 
When I finally got around to comparing the TH900 and HD800 I have at home, my first impression switching from either of those to the HEX was noticing that the HEX seemed veiled. I never felt it was veiled until I compared it to the HD800/TH900. I think this is because there's less treble on the HEX. However, after a minute of switching, that veil disappears and all the details I want are there. Switching back to the HD800/TH900, those now sound shrill and unnatural. Before I never thought the TH900 was really mid-recessed like the reviews say, but I could definitely hear it now. I always felt the HD800 was a little bass light, but overall the sound signature was balanced, but after switching from the HEX, it now sounded shrill and without body. Again if I listen to the HD800/TH900 for a while, that disappears, though not as quickly as the veil disappeared for the HEX.
 
Ultimately, the HEX does not have as much details as the HD800 or even the TH900, but it's far more musical. I feel it has enough detail retrieval to sound hifi. The sub bass can be a bit loose, which is apparent when switching from the TH900, but there's no mid bass hump that bleeds into the mids. I've only had a few problems with the bass in tracks like "Times Like These" by Foo Fighters, but that's more of a recording issue. Even on the HD800 there's some flabbiness to the bass, though it's less apparent than from the HEX. The TH900 cleans up the bass better on this track. The highs are lessened compared to HD800/TH900, but it's still there to prevent the headphones from sounding dark. The quality of the treble is quite impressive and airy. I may be flamed for saying this, but reminds be of some of the airy treble I've heard from electrostatics. However, because it's not emphasized, it's not very apparent unless you listen for it or a track has more prominent treble. The mids are the soul of these headphones and sound very musical. I don't think I've heard any mids quite as musical other than the HEK or STAX SR-007/009.
 
I think when people say these are veiled, or have a gray background, or aren't transparent, I think it's because of the signature that does not boost treble and also the prominent, but not tightest sub bass. I think if these had the TH900 sub bass, they would be pretty much perfect for me. Because they are easy to drive through a smartphone, the scaling is more subtle. With amping the transparency, imaging, and dynamics definitely improves, but not so much micro details, which I think most people are looking for when it comes to scaling on higher end gear. And the HEX isn't one of those headphones that sounds dark or veiled when listening it to it by like I've heard in others, Audioquest NightHawk for example. It only sounds less resolving when do back to back comparison with treblier headphone like the HD800. I don't consider the HEX dark at all.
 
One other interesting note is that I've been taking the HEX and Bakoon with me to work each day and then taking them back home. The fact it's portable in this sense is a plus for me. I'm actually able to have more time to listen to these headphones during my normal day than the desktop gear I would otherwise keep at home.
 
I think if I still feel this way after a month, and that it's not just a temporary infatuation, I'm going to sell my HD800, TH900, and all my desktop gear because I am enjoying these more for the musicality. Sometimes details isn't everything, and it's more about enjoying the music than analyzing it and hearing every 0,1 (or groove if you're listening to vinyls).
beerchug.gif

 
Gear:
At home: Emotiva DC-1 -> Questyle CMA800R -> HD800, DC-1 -> Bakoon HPA-01M -> TH900, DC-1 -> HPA-01M -> HEX
At work: Centrance DACPort Slim -> HPA-01M -> HEX


You nailed why I enjoyed the HEX to a tee as well. I know other headphones have more detail but in the end if it doesn't sound musical enough to me I wont be happy. The HEX made me very happy during my week of testing. Now I just have to figure out how to afford them for keeps and start saving my money...
 
Oh and B-60 I listened to a lot of Dianna Krall when testing and it was always a wonderful ride...
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 6:37 PM Post #1,445 of 4,030
 
You nailed why I enjoyed the HEX to a tee as well. I know other headphones have more detail but in the end if it doesn't sound musical enough to me I wont be happy. The HEX made me very happy during my week of testing. Now I just have to figure out how to afford them for keeps and start saving my money...
 
Oh and B-60 I listened to a lot of Dianna Krall when testing and it was always a wonderful ride...

 
besides the price difference, do you find the HE-X more musical than the HE-K ?
 
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Jan 22, 2016 at 7:16 PM Post #1,446 of 4,030
Unfortunately I have not heard the HE-K so can't comment on that model.

But I have heard the HD800, HD700, and in the AKG line the K712 Pro. In each of these headphones I found the treble was to strong for me causing ear fatigue. In the case of the HD700 I enjoyed the treble in a hyper detailed focused way but only in a small burst. The HEX on the other hand was enjoyable for hours at a time with no fatigue and I never found myself being distracted by the detail. Its weird but for me I want detail enough to have it add to the immersion process but not so much that it overwhelms it.
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 8:06 PM Post #1,448 of 4,030
Just a quick FYI...
 
The grill is NOT dented. It is actually designed that way.
 
Please stop commenting that your grill is dented, because it actually appears on all units! Don't want people confusing this with bad build quality.
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With regards to "portable headphone", it may be a little misleading. Dr. Fang designed these to be a headphone that required minimal effort and equipment in order to get it to sing. It will obviously continue scaling in some manner, which many have proved anecdotally. However, most users will get very good sound out of lesser gear, and great sound out of better gear. The only consideration is to be careful with how much power you are providing, given how sensitive the Edition X is. As with any headphone, too much power will cause audible distortion due to clipping.
 
These are not, persay, a portable commute headphone, since they are open. However, Dr. Fang believes that a closed-back design heavily impacts the sound quality of a headphone due to unwanted reflections.
 
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Jan 22, 2016 at 8:50 PM Post #1,449 of 4,030
Just a quick FYI...
 
The grill is NOT dented. It is actually designed that way.
 
Please stop commenting that your grill is dented, because it actually appears on all units! Don't want people confusing this with bad build quality.
biggrin.gif
 
 
With regards to "portable headphone", it may be a little misleading. Dr. Fang designed these to be a headphone that required minimal effort and equipment in order to get it to sing. It will obviously continue scaling in some manner, which many have proved anecdotally. However, most users will get very good sound out of lesser gear, and great sound out of better gear. The only consideration is to be careful with how much power you are providing, given how sensitive the Edition X is. As with any headphone, too much power will cause audible distortion due to clipping.
 
These are not, persay, a portable commute headphone, since they are open. However, Dr. Fang believes that a closed-back design heavily impacts the sound quality of a headphone due to unwanted reflections.


No complaining about price
No discussing the grills

Any other topics you want to censor on a public forum? It would be so much easier if you provided the full list rather than piecemealing it out....
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 11:25 PM Post #1,450 of 4,030
No complaining about price
No discussing the grills

Any other topics you want to censor on a public forum? It would be so much easier if you provided the full list rather than piecemealing it out....


Now I will say after finding out how they handle warranty issues I won't be getting any hifimans products but I have no idea what you think you read.

They informed us that the grill is made that way and it's not a defect and asked us to please not spread misinformation.

They said nothing about price comments, some form members did but I haven't seen the rep as far as I have ever seen.
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 11:44 PM Post #1,451 of 4,030
Just a note: The main reason a 4-pin XLR or similar balanced cable is not included is to discourage the use of high output amplifiers. In general, a balanced topology may double a number of things, but the key here is output power. This is, of course, not true for all cases.

During testing, the Edition X did not respond well to excess amounts of power, and had very audible distortion as a result. In fact, you even risk the potential for damaging the driver as well if you are not careful.

Just a friendly reminder to use common sense when driving a headphone with this level of sensitivity. You also lose a lot of headroom with the limited volume range.

Also please keep in mind that the Edition X is NOT intended for full desktop solutions, but rather for simple setups that do not really need to acquire additional scaling components. There has been too much negativity associated with cost. We will look into build quality issues, as have been reported.



Now I will say after finding out how they handle warranty issues I won't be getting any hifimans products but I have no idea what you think you read.

They informed us that the grill is made that way and it's not a defect and asked us to please not spread misinformation.

They said nothing about price comments, some form members did but I haven't seen the rep as far as I have ever seen.


Note the bolded text
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 11:46 PM Post #1,452 of 4,030
I missed that part of that post by bad
 
Jan 22, 2016 at 11:56 PM Post #1,453 of 4,030
I missed that part of that post by bad


No problem.

I agree with you on the return policy (customer pays shipping to have defective new product replaced) being more egregious than the censorship attempts. Even if that policy doesn't cross the line of legal consumer protection, it certainly is insulting to their customers. I'd think the implied contract when a new product is purchased does or should include the expectation that if a defective headphone is shipped, the onus is on the seller to get a properly working model in the hands of the customer without additional cost.
 
Jan 23, 2016 at 2:48 AM Post #1,454 of 4,030
No problem.

I agree with you on the return policy (customer pays shipping to have defective new product replaced) being more egregious than the censorship attempts. Even if that policy doesn't cross the line of legal consumer protection, it certainly is insulting to their customers. I'd think the implied contract when a new product is purchased does or should include the expectation that if a defective headphone is shipped, the onus is on the seller to get a properly working model in the hands of the customer without additional cost.


You are only paying to ship the product back. We are replacing defective units no questions asked, even if it's out of warranty.
 
There is no censorship going on. We are simply asking you to not spread inaccurate information.
 
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Jan 23, 2016 at 4:44 AM Post #1,455 of 4,030
I must update my situation.
I received my new pair of HEX today. I sent in my old pair for issues pertaining to fraying cables, new ones! And right speaker cutting out when connector is wiggled and most important one to me was the left gimbal was really loose and popped in all the way to the point it rubbed on the chrome finish. Also made popping noises.
So!!! The new pair..... Drum roll....
Hahaha.
It's perfectly fine. So, thank you Hifiman! Customer service was great for the most part. I would have liked to see shipping to be at no cost but I chose to pay more to get them to you faster and your matched speed to get them back to me quick despite the delays in your moving of the warehouse to New York. Thanks for everything. I've owned many hifiman products and customer service has been great. Thankfully my new pair seems to be free of defects and in slightly better finished condition than the pair I returned. Even the grilles on these new ones appear to have been finished with a more attention to details. Only one gripe is the leather box has a knick in the corner and it has a sharpie marker touch up. :/ meh. Whatever. I just want a mobile case and use that. This box is going to get banged up in the meantime til hifiman releases said "mobile hex/HEK case"

Anyhow, short of it. Hifiman Hex sounds great and their customer service backs their product. Thank you.
 

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