Feliks-Audio ELISE...New thread.
Feb 24, 2016 at 3:06 PM Post #8,266 of 13,856
Hello H1...

Not to worry the "Frankenstein Look" will be resolved in a few days.

I have no doubt 6x 6BL7's as powers will bring 'more goodness" to the Elise party. Shame about external power, but 'no pain, no gain', as they say. Too bad, no 20 amp heater option from the factory, 'eh?

I do wish you would try multi 6BL7's so that you can have an understanding of what is literally 'not heard' using the 6AS7 family of tubes.

You will be in instant convert, no doubt :)

Cheerio....


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I can get a 12V power supply for free. It would be pretty much perfect. If I want to run 6V tubes, I can wire them in series, if I want to run 12V tubes, I can run them in parallel. It requires the 4x heating wires from the bridge adapter though. 
 
Do you know what happens, if you only put 4 tubes in the 6x adapter? Would it still work?
 
Feb 24, 2016 at 3:38 PM Post #8,267 of 13,856
I can get a 12V power supply for free. It would be pretty much perfect. If I want to run 6V tubes, I can wire them in series, if I want to run 12V tubes, I can run them in parallel. It requires the 4x heating wires from the bridge adapter though. 

Do you know what happens, if you only put 4 tubes in the 6x adapter? Would it still work?


When wired in Parallel, 4 of 6 will work.

When wired in Series, no, you would need all 6, to complete the circuit.

The 6x adapter I had Mrs Xu Ling make, is wired in Parallel, 6.3 volts @ 9 amps (for all 6 tubes 4.5 amps per side).

Another adapter could be made to use 3x per side, in series, resulting in 18.9 volts @ 3 amps (for all 6 tubes 1.5 amps per side).

Unknown what (if any) sonic characteristics would change, if wired in series rather than parallel.


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Feb 24, 2016 at 4:37 PM Post #8,269 of 13,856
 
Oh man....I am going to be all in on those 3X 6BL7 to use as powers......I have been waiting for this.....hoping it would happen!

Very nice.....THANK YOU  
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Note the 3x per 6AS7 adapter Suuup links to, is specific to the Elise. I'm sure Mrs Xuling will be happy to produce them as 3x per 6AS7 octal socket (for use in a Glenn or Darkvoice etc) if you ask her to make them.

Do you know what the current capacity is, in your Glenn, @Whirlwind?

Enjoy!

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Oh yeah, I see that now....I may just contact Mrs. Xuling and see what she can do.....Thanks.
 
My amp will handle 13+ amps....so I just need an adapter with 3 sockets instead of the two sockets that she already makes.
 
Feb 24, 2016 at 4:50 PM Post #8,270 of 13,856
Hi,
 
My dual 6BL7 adapters finally arrived, thanks to Mrs. Xuling.
 
They look like little wing lets, and the Elise is soaring to new heights. It is as if I have a different amp. I'll try to pen my initial impressions.
 
Firstly, two EL3n are in the driver's seat, powered by an external power supply. The power tubes are 4 x 6BL7GTA from the late 50's and early 60's; a pair of GEs and a Tung Sol and a Raytheon. I have a selection of BL tubes, and I could probably even get together a matching quad, more or less, but these sound good to me, so I chose them for the first trial.
 
The first impression is volume. With 4 BLs the Elise plays louder than before.
 
The second impression is power, clarity, punch, detail, detail, detail.
 
You don't have to strain to hear very subtle nuances in the recording - they jump out at you. The sound stage becomes three dimensional. You simply hear much more of what's going on in the studio or live venue with a much greater clarity than before. The bass goes lower than anything I heard before. Unbelievable instrument separation and dynamics.
 
I completely concur with what JV wrote above: { I am editing the comments to paraphrase my own impressions}
 
The details and instrument spacing that the 6BL7 brings out with subtle details and tight articulation in the bass.
 Added mid and high freq details , bass goes deeper and is very controlled / articulated.
The larger sense of room/air/space between instruments is also realized.

 
Listening to the quad BL tubes it also becomes clear to me that the other tubes and tube combinations (even a single pair of BL tubes) mask some of the details in the mid range and bass. Those tubes sound very good, but the quad BL brings more to the table - stuff that you did not know was there suddenly becomes fully revealed.
 
Glenn wrote that multiple BL tubes increase the drive. When I asked him if I could equate drive with torque to better understand what he meant, he agreed.
 
It is as if the Elise has so much more reserve power. Imagine driving a small car up a big incline. The engine is struggling to keep up the speed, but it manages. Now, imagine a car with a huge engine going up the same hill - a little tap on the gas pedal effortlessly lets you overtake that little car. The entire driving experience is different in that powerful car.
 
And the entire listening experience is different with the Elise with quad BL tubes. Old, familiar recordings sound different, with new life and detail and impact. Voices are also very natural.
 
Now I have to figure out which driver tubes work the best with the quad BL tubes. JV suggested the 6SN7, so that will be next project - will try a favorite pair of RCA and the TS reissue.
 
I can really recommend trying quad 6BL7 tubes as power tubes. It is not going to break the bank, and there are close to 400 offers on Ebay, some of them very inexpensive. (Mrs X made me a pair of budget adapters without the acrylic plates and without the rotating feature - if you want to go this route you could save some money as well.)
 
H1, I would really like you to compare your GEC tubes with a quad (or sextuplet) of BL tubes.
 
With 6A current draw the Elise is just slightly warm...
 
Amazing......
 
 
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Feb 24, 2016 at 5:12 PM Post #8,271 of 13,856
Very Good, Mordy!

When I first encountered the 6BL7 (as singles and as drivers) I was not very impressed. I acknowledged that a single pair of 6BL7 as powers, things were more "interesting" - but I was still not very impressed.

When I got my 2x adapters, I was absolutely floored at what I heard. Positively awe struck, and have no desire to go back to 6AS7 now.

The details that come pouring fourth...that tight DEEP bass!! Those luscious mids, and highs...

It's like: "WOW, the microphones in the studio picked up a lot more than I was hearing, previously"...!!!!

Multi 6BL7 "unmasks" the recording. The old saying: 'Veil lifted".

Those who don't think they have a veil...have not heard all that is in the recording (yet).

Also...I believe it is: "Mrs Xu Ling", not "Mrs Xuling".... :wink:

Thank you Mrs Xu Ling, and thank you Mordy for hanging in there, and promoting the incredible 6BL7 and thanks of course to H1 for insisting on the birth of the Elise, and to Feliks Audio for making it come alive.

Cheers All....all you LUCKY ones!


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PS @Mordy - give your best 6SN7's, the drivers' seats :)





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Feb 24, 2016 at 6:02 PM Post #8,272 of 13,856
I had an Oppo Ha1 before I got the Elise. I liked the unit as a whole, but the sabre dac was its weak point. It really wasn't very good. Glad I got rid of it. The Elise and the Hegel absolutely kill it.
 
Feb 24, 2016 at 9:29 PM Post #8,273 of 13,856
I finally got around to measuring the voltage that the Stock Elise sends to it's heater pins.

Mine measures 6.7 volts of AC (with no load, i.e.: no tubes attached)

They do not convert the AC to DC, they use AC straight out to the heater pins, and observe the "tightly twisted" wiring method that is known to greatly reduce hum potential, when using Alternating Current to heat tube filaments.

As explained in this well written document from the UK:

http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/heater.html

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Feb 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM Post #8,274 of 13,856
For fans of Loreena, like hypnos1 and Untilthen I give you one of my favorites................
 
Feb 25, 2016 at 1:25 PM Post #8,277 of 13,856
The best Jazz sound through Mazda 6N7G and Chatham 6AS7G. However, I cannot go loud, there's distortion or clipping. Average volume listening is least fatiguing :) I'm in love with 6N7G sound for Jazz music. Mazda does not pair well with 5998 cause again, huge gain causes clipping in sound :)

:beers: to all the lucky ones

 
Feb 25, 2016 at 1:43 PM Post #8,278 of 13,856
The best Jazz sound through Mazda 6N7G and Chatham 6AS7G. However, I cannot go loud, there's distortion or clipping. Average volume listening is least fatiguing
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I'm in love with 6N7G sound for Jazz music. Mazda does not pair well with 5998 cause again, huge gain causes clipping in sound
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:beers: to all the lucky ones



Same problem I had. Sold my 4 Mazdas and my 5998s.
 

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