LG V10 : New ESS Chipped Flagship Android Phone from LG

Jan 27, 2016 at 8:06 PM Post #1,951 of 3,525
Seems to be a lot of hype behind this phone, and even though I can understand why I didn't get blown away while testing this one. Sure its a really nice phone, one of the best but the battle of high-end phones is really more about nitpicking and personal preference than anything else these days. The overall quality of high-end phones have reach such high levels that you will have a really hard time telling them apart on performance alone. The speed of the SoC's (GPU+CPU) have reach such high levels that people can hardly tell the ones that rank number 1-3 apart from the ones that ranks 5-10. Same goes for other areas like camera quality, take DXOMark's list of the best cameras for instance. Things have come a long way this year and even the phones ranking as low as 10-12 on their list get some really great scores. It's all about nitpicking and personal preference at this point.


I for one never really consider anything other than Nexus devices, but that's purely because I hate the severe lack of software support all the various OEM's have on their Android phones. But that's my personal preference and even though LG is far from the worst when it comes to software support I do find the delay infurerating non the less. And I do hate that so few OEM's are respecting Google's Material Arts UX-design and incorporate something that is by far uglier in almost every possible way.

But then again, Nexus devices never feature top of the line camera modules, camera software or anything special in terms of DAC / amplifier.



To me the audio quality of the LG V10 isn't that impressive all things considered. Sure it's really good for a smartphone, especially a Android smartphone as all those phones who relay directly on Qualcomm isn't all that great. But this phone is not replacing my external-DAC and amplifier setup at home, not by a long shot. So then I have to ask, what is the point?
When using my Westone UM3X and Westone 4R which is what I use when I want great audio quality while "on-the-go" the LG V10 do not sound any better compared to phones like the Samsung Galaxy S6 / S6 Edge / S6 Edge+ or the iPhone 6 / 6S / 6  Plus / 6S Plus. And using my portable headphones (B&O BeoPlay H7) they sound exactly the same as the DAC and amplifier is ran within the headphones themselves.


I won't be logging my Sennheiser HD 650 and HD 700 around, and while being at home I would never use the LG V10 to drive them any way.

At least to me, this sounds like something some people would be bragging about but barley use in their ever day lives.

But that does not mean that the phone is overall great and surely is a tempting and very good phone for many users out there.


Something is wrong here. With the ESS chips actually enabled the sound will be better than any Android phone you listed, and should still sound better and have more power than any iPhone as well. Willing to bet you weren't actually using the ESS chips during your testing.
 
Jan 27, 2016 at 9:56 PM Post #1,952 of 3,525
Mine's also (unrooted) T-Mobile...maybe it's the specific headphone?
Can you try another pair and see if you have the same results?

 
Seems to be headphone specific. Just tried it with my PM-3 and no go. Those and my Denons (which worked) are the only headphones I have below 50 ohms.
 
However, I got the trick to work multiple times with a pair of cheap, no name earbuds (with a straight cable).
 
In order for the trick to work reliably I had to manually turn the dac on/off in settings. You must turn it off each time before unplugging the headphones otherwise it will automatically turn back on the next time you connect them.
 
1. Call voicemail and wait for it to connect
2. Plug headphones directly into the phone
3. Turn on the dac in settings and check to see if its in high
 
This is a bit of a routine to get it working each time so AUX mode, which has the same power and is easier to get to, may still be preferred.
 
 
Jan 27, 2016 at 10:39 PM Post #1,953 of 3,525
   
Seems to be headphone specific. Just tried it with my PM-3 and no go. Those and my Denons (which worked) are the only headphones I have below 50 ohms.
 
However, I got the trick to work multiple times with a pair of cheap, no name earbuds (with a straight cable).
 
In order for the trick to work reliably I had to manually turn the dac on/off in settings. You must turn it off each time before unplugging the headphones otherwise it will automatically turn back on the next time you connect them.
 
1. Call voicemail and wait for it to connect
2. Plug headphones directly into the phone
3. Turn on the dac in settings and check to see if its in high
 
This is a bit of a routine to get it working each time so AUX mode, which has the same power and is easier to get to, may still be preferred.
 


Tried and failed!
 
Must be headphone and or mobile version specific...tried 4 different headphones.
Sony MDR-V900, Sony MDR-XB90EX, Sony MDR-XB950BT (straight cable) and MEE M6 Pro (straight cable)
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 2:21 AM Post #1,955 of 3,525
I bought the LG V10 full retail over the phone with Verizon customer service when it was released back in the middle of November.  I paid around $50 up front with a credit card and then she said she would bill the rest to my account (around $630 or so I think).  
 
It's almost February now and the balance still hasn't showed up on any of my bills.  There have been 2 since November.  Mine generate on the 6th so it should have been on the December 6th bill. It never showed up on the January 6th bill either.
 
I do remember her saying she was going to bill my account and it would be added to my normal service bill but nothing about deferred payment.  
 
Bought an iPhone subsidized before that and sold it new for a pretty big profit which is why I bought the LG V10 full retail.
 
I'm thinking it will pop up eventually.. 
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 2:25 AM Post #1,956 of 3,525
Well I ordered V10 now. I'll cry a ******* river if the sound is disappointing. I hated G4 sound so much


You won't regret it...just make sure that the Hi-Fi DAC is activated and use either 50ohm+ headphones in high impedance mode or trigger the AUX mode when using lower impedance headphones.

I also recommend trying PowerAmp Alpha app over the LG player.

Let us know what you think when you get it...share your thoughts.
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 2:28 AM Post #1,957 of 3,525
The phone call high gain method works but you must turn off the dac before the process so:

Plug your headphones in,
Turn off the dac,
Pull out the headphines,
Make the call,
While call us ongoing plug in headphones,
Switch to the dac window,
Turn on the dac,
Hang up,
Profit.
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 2:59 AM Post #1,958 of 3,525
The phone call high gain method works but you must turn off the dac before the process so:

Plug your headphones in,
Turn off the dac,
Pull out the headphines,
Make the call,
While call us ongoing plug in headphones,
Switch to the dac window,
Turn on the dac,
Hang up,
Profit.


Exactly what I did...no prize for me!
 
What headphone are you using and which model of the V10?
Just curious to see why it is working for some and not others.
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 3:31 AM Post #1,960 of 3,525
Interesting. I'm using the t-mo V10. It's rooted. With Aurisonics ASG-2.5 which I think are 40+ohms. Without the hack it shows as Normal device.


I think that due to the higher impedance headphones...its closer to 50ohms and maybe causing it to trigger the High Impedance mode.
My MDR-XB90EX are only 16ohms...I don't have any headphones that are even close to 50ohms.
 
Maybe someone with a pair of MDR-XB90EXs or very similar in impedance can try it and see if it works?
 
 
Let us know.
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 6:55 AM Post #1,962 of 3,525
You won't regret it...just make sure that the Hi-Fi DAC is activated and use either 50ohm+ headphones in high impedance mode or trigger the AUX mode when using lower impedance headphones.

I also recommend trying PowerAmp Alpha app over the LG player.

Let us know what you think when you get it...share your thoughts.


Do i need to purchase the app for the alpha?
Also does it work without the DAC fix all app?
Im getting the phone today, hopefully sounds good with my grado(already bought female to male stereo adaptor as well)
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 10:15 AM Post #1,963 of 3,525
Seems to be headphone specific. Just tried it with my PM-3 and no go. Those and my Denons (which worked) are the only headphones I have below 50 ohms.

However, I got the trick to work multiple times with a pair of cheap, no name earbuds (with a straight cable).

In order for the trick to work reliably I had to manually turn the dac on/off in settings. You must turn it off each time before unplugging the headphones otherwise it will automatically turn back on the next time you connect them.

1. Call voicemail and wait for it to connect
2. Plug headphones directly into the phone
3. Turn on the dac in settings and check to see if its in high

This is a bit of a routine to get it working each time so AUX mode, which has the same power and is easier to get to, may still be preferred.

 


Maybe you are trying to do the vm trick specifically, but if not I have had success with the PM-3 by doing the following. I am able to activate the to power aux mode by plugging in the disonnected headphone cable into the phone first, then plugging the cable into the headphone. The sound is definitely comparable to,if not better than my fiio e18.
 
Jan 28, 2016 at 5:21 PM Post #1,965 of 3,525
Do i need to purchase the app for the alpha?
Also does it work without the DAC fix all app?
Im getting the phone today, hopefully sounds good with my grado(already bought female to male stereo adaptor as well)


I don't know if it is mandatory to use the Alpha release...but I did.
I found that PowerAmp was well worth the cost and when it is finalized, I'll be all set.
 
Here is where you can download the .apk 
http://forum.powerampapp.com/index.php?/topic/8494-poweramp-alpha-build-700/
 
Looks like it requires the Hi-Fi Every Where DAC Fix app to work with the 32 bit Hi-Fi DAC.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix
 
Great that you already planned ahead with the adapter!
 

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