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PoochZag · Mar 16, 2016 at 11:32 PM

Hi, I just put a second card into slot 2,and with it being there Spotify can actually see it! You still have to choose one place for everything though. Tidal can still only just see slot 1

forbigger · Mar 17, 2016 at 12:28 AM

forbigger said:
few pages back someone mentioned that there's a way to circumvent volume limiter for HK based unit. Can elaborate how to do it? Thanks

anyone care to help?

addyg · Mar 17, 2016 at 1:16 AM

rrollens said:
You are correct they are both very good DACs. All I am saying is that when comparing SE to SE the QP1R is in my view a much superior sounding unit. The Onkyo has the Questyle beat hands down on "features", but again for me, all I really care about is the quality of the sound using the best equipment and finest sound sources. All my files are top quality FLAC and DSDs, and it truly does make a difference. A complete all around best sounding system has at it's core the best sounding DAP, top notch IEMs/Headphones, the correct ear tips, a very good quality cable, and pristine sound files to get the very most out of the listening experience. This is an exciting time for those of us who have been listening to music their whole lives...I started in the 1950's listening to a handheld AM transistor radio for my listening pleasure...boy have things changed for the better!

Have you tried to tune dp-x1 sound by using Digital filter, Lock range, Gain level, Up-sampling, or even switch to Neutron and Poweramp ? If not, then you may only be using 60% of dp-x1's capability. Not to mention you never tried the 2.5 balanced or balanced with ACG.

FidelityCastro · Mar 17, 2016 at 1:35 AM

addyg said:
rrollens said:

You are correct they are both very good DACs. All I am saying is that when comparing SE to SE the QP1R is in my view a much superior sounding unit. The Onkyo has the Questyle beat hands down on "features", but again for me, all I really care about is the quality of the sound using the best equipment and finest sound sources. All my files are top quality FLAC and DSDs, and it truly does make a difference. A complete all around best sounding system has at it's core the best sounding DAP, top notch IEMs/Headphones, the correct ear tips, a very good quality cable, and pristine sound files to get the very most out of the listening experience. This is an exciting time for those of us who have been listening to music their whole lives...I started in the 1950's listening to a handheld AM transistor radio for my listening pleasure...boy have things changed for the better!

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Have you tried to tune dp-x1 sound by using Digital filter, Lock range, Gain level, Up-sampling, or even switch to Neutron and Poweramp ? If not, then you may only be using 60% of dp-x1's capability. Not to mention you never tried the 2.5 balanced or balanced with ACG.

Obviously it's subjective so no comment on preference by me, but @addyg makes a good point about going balanced. It's noticeably a step up from SE (on the Onkyo, anyway) and if you're into using the best of everything in the signal chain, you could probably add balanced out to your list above, Rick.

Whitigir · Mar 17, 2016 at 2:15 AM

Balanced out on DP-X1 is superior to SE, period. It is a waste if you don't use it, may as well buy the LG V10 phone for SE sound quality...because it sports the same Es 9018 DAC and but 9602 amp

Lionlian · Mar 17, 2016 at 2:27 AM

I really really hope that this device can use as USB DAC someday, as I preferred this Over ak100ii and even Chord Mojo!

sabloke · Mar 17, 2016 at 2:34 AM

I really can't see the point of using it as DAC. Se sucks bad compared to Mojo and how do you use balanced out to an amp? You could always chromecast the DAP to a TV or PC and use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to control it

hanes · Mar 17, 2016 at 2:49 AM

Do the filters and the eq work with third party streaming sevices like Tidal or Apple music?

LoryWiv · Mar 17, 2016 at 3:14 AM

sabloke said:
I really can't see the point of using it as DAC. Se sucks bad compared to Mojo and how do you use balanced out to an amp? You could always chromecast the DAP to a TV or PC and use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to control it

Why couldn't you connect via USB DAC and output directly from the unit's 2.5mm balanced to my IEM's, which are terminated for 2.5 TRRS? That in fact is exactly what I'd like to do if (when) Onkyo implements USB DAC. If not I may go with the soon to be released Luxury and Precision L3 which has USB DAC and balanced output.

sabloke · Mar 17, 2016 at 3:20 AM

I would bet that Onkyo will only implement SE out for DAC mode. There are no that many (if any!) other Android 5.1 devices with balanced output, so developing drivers capable of handling two DAC chips would be considerable. Plus can't see what's in it for them when this mode is a very narrow niche use at best.

expat852 · Mar 17, 2016 at 5:21 AM

forbigger said:
few pages back someone mentioned that there's a way to circumvent volume limiter for HK based unit. Can elaborate how to do it? Thanks
anyone care to help?

Forbigger, I am in HK as well, and the latest firmware removes the volume cap. With wifi on the player should prompt you for an over-the-air update and once installed, you're all set. After the firmware upgrade, line level output is about 12dB louder than before - quite a difference.

addyg · Mar 17, 2016 at 5:40 AM

hanes said:
Do the filters and the eq work with third party streaming sevices like Tidal or Apple music?

I believe so as they are set in the system , not in the default player app.

Whitigir · Mar 17, 2016 at 7:15 AM

Well, the problem is that Onkyo firm ware reacted differently to 3rd party app....so...have it been fixed ?

Subhakar · Mar 17, 2016 at 7:21 AM

sonic defender said:
But it doesn't permit streaming and isn't the UI messy? Still, if only sound quality is the issue I take your point, but I get the sense that those who are buying the DP-X1 (such as when I did) are doing it for the streaming capability as a big bonus.

True that. Give me streaming or give me death.

sabloke · Mar 17, 2016 at 7:24 AM

A DAP is worthless without streaming in 2015. It is also worthless if it does not run Android. With more phones live V10 and G5 they might fade out anyway. That's why I like my DP-X1 so much, it does so many things well that phones to match its SQ are probably 3-5 years away.

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