Schiit Yggdrasil Impressions thread
Oct 8, 2015 at 4:19 AM Post #1,066 of 12,305
Well I guess they are all caught up on Yggy orders I just got the email this morning it shipped and I should have it Thursday. Woot!

 
 
 
Ah, see the answer to my question.


Yesterday, I ordered mine. Within an hour, got indication that it shipped. It's on the way and should have it tomorrow evening.
 
Of course, I'll be in a dilemna -- wanting to listen to it as soon as possible, but also wanting it to burn in for a week before listening for the first time. You can guess which I'll do. 
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Oct 8, 2015 at 10:31 AM Post #1,067 of 12,305
  I tried hard (and failed) to get a black Yggy, partly to make it more wife-friendly by "disappearing" more in certain ambient lighting situations, but she seems to like it in silver. Maybe what I consider to be "bland" is what women consider smooth and elegant.
 
Furthermore, I dabbed the LEDs with a black marker pen to tone down the LED brightness in evening conditions, after which she said she missed the bright twinkling lights in the corner! 
 
Which just goes to show that I'm useless at predicting a woman's reaction to aesthetics (and probably just about everything really). But I'd still like to have the Yggy in black.

 
For anyone looking for a less permanent option than a marker for dimming LEDs, these work extremely well. Removable in case we interpret our wive's LED requirements incorrectly :)
 
http://www.amazon.com/LightDims-Original-Strength-Minimal-Packaging/dp/B00CLVEQCO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444314529&sr=8-1&keywords=light+dims
 
Oct 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM Post #1,068 of 12,305
   
 

Yesterday, I ordered mine. Within an hour, got indication that it shipped. It's on the way and should have it tomorrow evening.
 
Of course, I'll be in a dilemna -- wanting to listen to it as soon as possible, but also wanting it to burn in for a week before listening for the first time. You can guess which I'll do. 
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Got it today.  I set it up over my midday break and took a short listen and holy crap if it only get better from here I am good.  Now to go back to work and let it run for hours and hours...
 
Oct 8, 2015 at 3:44 PM Post #1,069 of 12,305
  Does anybody have a list of songs that illustrate what the Yggdrasil can do?
I've finally had mine on for a week, and want to start doing A/B with my M7.
 

 
I'm on day 13 and have found that ever since I hit the magical day ten transformation, I've been listening to a lot of jazz, blues, and R&B, all of which I listened to occasionally before but were never staples of my musical diet. But now I've gone and spent a decent fraction of the purchase price of the Yggy on 192khz jazz and blues albums in the last couple of days. 
 
A few of my favorite new acquisitions that really shine on Yggy (not all of which fit into the above categories):
 
  1. Getz & Gilberto
  2. Otis Redding - Otis Blue
  3. B.B. King - Live in Cook County Jail
  4. The Modern Jazz Quartet - European Concert Vol. 1
  5. Dexter Gordon - Go
  6. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
  7. Eric Clapton - Slowhand
  8. Marlena Shaw - Marlena
  9. Ray Charles - ​Hallelujah I Love Her So
  10. Joni Mitchell - Blue
  11. The Rolling Stones - Hot Rocks
 
I've been trying to puzzle out the common thread that's drawing me to this music, and after some careful listening have come to the conclusion that there are a few factors at play which, combined, are letting me hear the most interesting parts of the music for the first time. Let me see if I can articulate them (disclaimer: I'm a long-time music lover and have a passing familiarity with signal processing, but I'm new to this hobby and will probably misuse some jargon).
 
1. Timing
I'm not sure exactly what accounts for this effect, but I can place notes more precisely in time. I can't imagine that the micro-level timing errors caused by jitter would be audible, so I'm speculating that the reason is more along the lines of all the tones and harmonics making up a note maintaining their proper phase relationships, allowing my brain to recognize them as a single coherent event rather than an overlapping blur (this is something I would expect of a oversampling filter that "preserves the original samples").
 
Mechanism aside, the end result is that I can feel the "groove" of the music much better. Jazz and blues performers play around a lot with timing, coming in slightly ahead of or behind the beat for deliberate effect. This was getting blurred out with my previous DACs, and I didn't even realize it.
 
2. Timbre
Another component of the music I didn't realize I was missing until I got it back with Yggy is subtlety of timbre. As I understand it, timbre is mostly audible as beats between nearby tones. Somehow Yggy is resolving the beats more clearly or preserving their timing better. Or perhaps it's somehow resolving nearby tones as distinct entities, when my previous DAC wasn't.
 
Without good resolution of timbre, most of the interestingness of woodwinds is lost. The long, boring sax note you hear on a mediocre DAC turns out to be full on subtle variations in timbre on Yggy. I'm not particularly engaged by Dexter Gordon on my old DAC. On the Yggy, I'm entranced. Same with blues vocals, where I get a whole new layer of emotional content from the way B.B. King manipulates the timbre of his voice.
 
3. Pitch
I'm hearing a couple of differences in how Yggy handles pitch relative to my old DAC. The first is that I'm hearing more realistic glissandos/portamentos (see Joni Mitchell), as well as tremolos/vibratos (see B.B. King) than I was before. I've seen studies that most people aren't particularly good at distinguishing pitch changes between two distinct tones played successively, but I've never come across a study of how well we can resolve changes in pitch in a continuous tone. I suspect that we're pretty good at hearing pitch errors in glissandos and tremolos, and the Yggy doesn't make any.
 
The second thing I'm noticing is better pitch accuracy in the upper registers. My last DAC was a Sabre and had the trademark issues with high frequencies, especially with redbook recordings. I spent a lot of time trying to work out what exactly was going on and ultimately concluded that the upsampling filter introduced pitch errors in high frequency tones in complex music. In spare music, the highs were reasonably accurate, but in complex music the upper harmonics would start to clash with their fundamentals and also to oscillate in both pitch and amplitude, giving them a "jangly" sound (in case it's not obvious, this is pure speculation based on subjective listening, not on any sort of real measurements).
 
I made the mistake of assuming that most of this was an inevitable consequence of oversampling, but the Yggy proved me wrong. It plays back the highs with every bit as much volume and even more detail than my previous DAC without sounding discordant. I attribute this to better pitch accuracy.
 
4. The Bass
Ah, the bass. I finally know what people mean when they talk about "Moffat Bass". To me, it's two things. First, it's that the precise timing mentioned above extends all the way down into the lower registers, whereas with my other DACs, the timing in the mid-to-upper ranges is significantly better than the bass.
 
Second, it's that the bass always seems to be in exactly the right proportion to the mids and highs. This was so unusual in my experience (probably says a lot about my experience level), that I spent a lot of cycles trying to work out how a DAC could do that before realizing, duh, that it was in the right proportion because the recording engineers knew their business. The Yggy was merely faithfully reproducing the bass as per the recording. This shouldn't be remarkable, but it is.
 
5. 4x Magic
While redbook is quite nice on Yggy, there is something especially magical about 176khz and 192khz recordings, much more so than I would have expected. Oddly, I tend to prefer redbook to most of the 96khz files in my collection (I suspect that's because most of them were either upsampled from 48khz or converted from DSD).
 
At first I thought that the extra magic was because Yggy was playing out 176khz and 192khz without oversampling, but now that the Bifrost MB product page is explicitly calling out its non-overampling mode, I'm thinking that if Yggy was doing the same, Schiit would have mentioned it. Maybe it's skipping the anti-aliasing filter? Or just using a less aggressive one? I would be very interested in hearing from Jason on this.
 
Wow, I intended to just reply to your post with a list of albums, but now I've gone and written a mini-review. Sorry about that. :)
 
Oct 8, 2015 at 4:07 PM Post #1,070 of 12,305
  1. Otis Redding - Otis Blue

I use Tidal, looked that up, stereo / mono / mono remastered. Which to chose lol...
I'll be hitting up all these albums once I get home.
 
These are pretty popular so you might have heard them, but check out:
 
Awesome soundstage songs:
Tribute to Bu by Trio 3
Guanabara by Bossacucanova
 
A few good songs that I find show how good the "attack" is:
Invasion by F.O.O.L (I like the Neus remix)
GString by SomethingALaMode (good tonality)
 
Some others:
Royksopp Forever by Royksopp
Spiral by Vangelis
Tear the Roof up by Alesso (pop song, but I love the tonality)
Freaking out the Neighbor by Mac Demarco
 
Oct 8, 2015 at 4:43 PM Post #1,071 of 12,305
  I use Tidal, looked that up, stereo / mono / mono remastered. Which to chose lol...
I'll be hitting up all these albums once I get home.
 

I'll be sure to check out the tracks you mentioned.
 
For all the albums I mentioned, I was listening to the 192khz FLACs from Acoustic Sounds. Even if you feel like you're happy with what you're getting with Tidal, I highly recommend picking up at least one good 192khz album remastered from analog sources. That, in my opinion, is where the real magic is.
 
As to mono vs. stereo, I've been going for the stereo, since excellent soundstaging is definitely one of Yggy's fortes. I should have mentioned it in my first post, but where I've been getting the biggest "wow" from Yggy is with live recordings played on speakers. That's where the soundstage really comes alive. I close my eyes and feel like I'm in the same room as the musicians.
 
I probably should also have mentioned my listening setup. My Yggy is paired with a Ragnarok with Audio Art interconnects (which made a clearly audible improvement in the bass over the Pysts I started with).  I've been doing most of my listening with a pair of 15 year old B&W 805s. I was about ready to trade them in until I heard what they were capable of, especially in the bass department, with Yggy + Rag .
 
The only decent headphones I have are Beyer T1s. I would probably be happy with them if I wasn't comparing them to the speakers driven by the same DAC+amp, but as it is, I've been avoiding them since I picked up the Yggy. Anyone have recommendations on headphones that pair especially well with Yggy + Rag?
 
Oct 9, 2015 at 6:33 PM Post #1,072 of 12,305
MILLENIAL MODE THERMAL OPTIMIZATION minus 300 hrs.
 
On day 14 the Norse gods smiled.  Cymbals got spooky real
and bass is in the house.  My previous dac, Wyred4Sound
dac-2 dsdse, matches Yggy in detail retrieval only;  Yggy
trounces it in every other metric.
 
sbt/edo->ava cf pre->ava fetvalve 600R->salk HT3s
 
Oct 9, 2015 at 8:14 PM Post #1,073 of 12,305
   
 

Yesterday, I ordered mine. Within an hour, got indication that it shipped. It's on the way and should have it tomorrow evening.
 
Of course, I'll be in a dilemna -- wanting to listen to it as soon as possible, but also wanting it to burn in for a week before listening for the first time. You can guess which I'll do. 
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Listening after less than an hour warm-up. And. I'm liking it. 
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Oct 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM Post #1,075 of 12,305
Two thumbs up!   Sounded good on day 1 and even better after a week.   Sound is surprisingly on the warm side of neutral with gravitas in the mids.   Articulate bass, clear vocals, sparkly but accurate highs.  Great separation/ placement of instruments in the mix.  Outstanding value in a R2R DAC.  Thank you again Jason!
 
Oct 10, 2015 at 2:11 PM Post #1,079 of 12,305
The Yggy has too much resolution, soundstage, tonality and neutral accuracy for me. Sounds too ******* real, not like a rock show over PA loudspeakers

I'm waiting for the Yggy downgrade that replaces the R2R DAC and mega burrito filter with a Verita SD AK4490 DAC. :D
 
Oct 10, 2015 at 2:23 PM Post #1,080 of 12,305
The Yggy has too much resolution, soundstage, tonality and neutral accuracy for me. Sounds too ******* real, not like a rock show over PA loudspeakers

I'm waiting for the Yggy downgrade that replaces the R2R DAC and mega burrito filter with a Verita SD AK4490 DAC.
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WIth the twisted yarn cable that feeds two soup cans. They sound better with silver threads twisted with the yarn.
 

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