This thread is for describing, discussing and further developing mods to the Fostex TH900 headphones. So far I developed these with @playitloud.
History
It all started with my similar mods on Stax SR-007 and then SR-009, summarized here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/754839/stax-sr-009-and-sr-007-mk1-earpad-diy-mods
Then I got the TH900 for the office, and tweaking started right away:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/6930#post_10537146
Then @Playitloud joined:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/7815#post_10850139
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/7815#post_10850940
After countless of emails, messages, experiments with various materials, thicknesses, densities etc, looks like we have settled down enough to say this is good.
The results have been shortly described here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/9960#post_11537304
For convenience, I summarize the currently known best setup here, using some words and images from my earlier posts, too.
The following steps are all needed, with the exactly the same materials, dimensions, etc. Small details make big difference.
List of materials (for sourcing kudos to @Playitloud):
- active carbon foam, at least 12 mm thick sheets
e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finest-Filters-Activated-Impregnated-Aquarium-Filters/dp/B005AK9FQ0 (this is 25 mm thick)
- 5 mm thick wool felt from meervilt.nl, the white (important!) color; we have tried natural, black, grey etc; the white (washed natural) one sounded the best; has to do with density
you need 2 pcs 73 mm diameter disks
- 2 mm thick white wool felt from meervilt.nl; you need 2 pcs 73mm diameter disks
- as above, but 3 mm thick white wool felt to try an alternative cup damping
List of tools:
- circular cutter like this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Olfa-Compass-Cutter-cutting-circles/dp/B000BK7NWC
- a good Phillips screwdriver
- a good thin blade sewing scissor for opening the earpads
- a good thin blade scissor (or equivalent) for trimming foam.
A. Modding the ear pads
This is the step requiring most skills.
Based on the previous experience in tuning the SR-007 ear pads, finding the optimum for the TH900 took quite short time.
Disclaimer: the modified pads can be restored to the likeness of their original state, but involves un-sewing and (careful manual) sewing again, which is not the same as before. So this is a simple, but destructive mod. However, if you need new pads, you can always get replacement pads from your Fostex dealer.
1. Unmount the earpads
by pulling the leather pad out, then around, until it comes off. Then, remove the white disk by rotating it with hand or a tool. Then try to mount them again in and out; after a few clicks-in clicks-out the movement becomes quite smooth. You can mount and unmount the pads more easily then, by putting the white disks into the leather pads and rotating the white disk together with the earpads with a short, firm movement. For experimenting I recommend not turning it until it clicks in, just halfway, it's enough for being in place.
For curiosity, listen to your TH900 without the earpads. It's more open sounding, right? Now we will try to make that more comfortable, and retain some of the cavern as well.
2. Open the ear pads
Undo the sewing on the edge of the white plastic base of the ear pads:
When done, the ear grill cloth comes off, and remove the foam filling:
Note that the foam filling is marked where it was bent because it's too high for the pads. We don't need the foam any more, archive it somewhere.
3. Make new earpad filling
Get this material:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finest-Filters-Activated-Impregnated-Aquarium-Filters/dp/B005AK9FQ0
Cut a 105 mm diameter disk.
Cut an inner 73 mm diameter disk.
Cut the resulting ring in two thinner, 12.5 mm thick rings (EDIT 22.Apr.2017: 14-20 mm high at the back, mine is 18 mm now)
Then, trim/round off a little bit the outer and inner top edges.
Then, trim the angle into it: in the front it should be 7-8mm high, in the inner side of front should be ~10-14 mm high, and gradually growing to 12-18 mm in the back.
The result is something like this, and you can mount it then over the plastic base of earpads:
Then fold the leather part back, and put the white mounting disk in its place (on the left):
[ on the right: new dampers made of felt ]
Now you can mount and unmount the ear pads by matching to the guiding holes and slightly rotating them.
B. Dampers
This step is completely reversible.
The foam dampers are the grey foam rings around the drivers in the ear-facing side.
The new ring dampers are made from 5mm thick white (washed) wool felt from meervilt.nl, of 73 mm outer, and 48 mm inner diameter, as shown in the picture above.
The dampers make the biggest change in the sound, because they control the driver and cups loading. This makes the bass tiny or huge, and the midrange shouting or recessed.
Try 4mm dampers and it will be very open sounding, but a bit shouting. Try bigger outer diameter, and will be more muffled. Try bigger opening (inner diameter) and you get bigger stage, but shouting mids.
Now you can put the rings around the drivers, it will be held there by the earcups. No adhesive is needed.
Note. Playitloud tipped to trim the edges of the felt dampers so that they become very slightly rounded with a radius of ~1mm (upper outer and upper inner, optionally also the lower outer and inner edges). This actually makes a well audible difference, consider it fine-tuning to your taste, on how open should it sound. I "voiced" mine to the SR-009 tonality. It is possible to make it even more open, but then there are other problems.
EDIT 22.Apr.2017. I am still using the felt felt dampers sometimes (I have about 10 pairs or various make and size), but mostly I use the original Fostex dampers nowadays. That is good news for modders, as this is the most tricky mod to get right. Funnily they sound better than the newer but identical dampers from the TX00 variants.
C. Cups
This step is completely reversible.
1. Unmount the earpads.
2. Take out the dampers.
3. Unscrew the 4 small screws, and take one of them completely out.
4. Take off the cup.
5. Remover the polyfill stuffing.
6. Cut a 73mm diameter disk from the 2 (or 3) mm thick white wool felt from meervilt.nl.
7. Cut a 48mm diameter disk, so that you get a 73/48 ring and a 48mm diameter disk.
8. Put that into the cup as shown below. Don't glue it, it will stay there without moving. There is little space between the back of the driver and the wood.
9. Before assembling the cups back, align the cups using the hole from which you removed one of the screws, and a spot light. This is safe and sure. Use very gentle force with the wood screws.
10. Mount the earpads: insert the white plastic holder ring into the ear pads, align one of the dents with the sewing on the side of the ear pad, push the dents into the location, then with a short, firm movement, turn to click in the pads.
I should note that do not mix this with any Lawton mods. That caused me a 2 months dead end side experiment. The Lawton mod is good on the stock TH900, for taming the bass, and it does work as advertised, but nothing from there works in this mod. Do not mix them - but if you're a tinkerer you'll try it anyway .
Also, in our experience high pads (Audeze, Lawton etc) don't work well with this mod, and in general with the TH900. The ear pads are integral part of the mods. See also http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/6270#post_10241637.
EDIT 22.Apr.2017. As the cups got older, they don't show any 3kHz ringing on the CSD any more when no damping is in the cups. So I have removed all damping from the cups (similarly to the TX00 variants). Prior to this, I've been using Twaron Angelhair (http://www.twaron-angelhair.com/), it's the best damping material if you need one (kudos to @playitloud).
Testing, listening
With these mods my TH900 is playing in about the same league as my SR-007 and SR-009, except fluid smoothness and ultimate accuracy/neutrality/instrument timbre/tonality, which is why the Stax are still the best IMO... but so far nothing can match the bass of the modded TH900, despite not being overshot any more - which gives them a kind of realism which is more physical than tonality related, but it feels like realism anyway. The lower register of string instruments is so palpable it gives you goosebumps. Real cello and double bass of course sound better, but this is as good as it gets from headphones today. Piano attack and decay, saxophone, percussions, and of course anything electronica sounds world class - in the context of the current headphone industry of course.
Since this last mod I could clearly hear much more difference between my home rig and mobile rig, between recordings, and even between two 10 cm USB OTG cables (call me nuts). Before I didn't hear much difference with the TH900.
Competing headphones would be the HE6+EF6 (I think my TH900 is better than them but the HE6 is slightly more neutral and a tiny bit smoother). But the TH900 is far more usable (portability, drive'ability - hence total system price -, isolation, etc) and did I mention the bass and sound stage?
These mods are relatively cheap, but they make a big difference. Since the minimum order quantities, and the little materials actually used it is worth joining forces with someone and share the materials.
Enjoy.
Finally, I would like to thank again to @playitloud for co-developing these mods, for being an inspiring buddy, sourcing master, tester and fellow music lover.
History
It all started with my similar mods on Stax SR-007 and then SR-009, summarized here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/754839/stax-sr-009-and-sr-007-mk1-earpad-diy-mods
Then I got the TH900 for the office, and tweaking started right away:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/6930#post_10537146
Then @Playitloud joined:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/7815#post_10850139
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/7815#post_10850940
After countless of emails, messages, experiments with various materials, thicknesses, densities etc, looks like we have settled down enough to say this is good.
The results have been shortly described here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/9960#post_11537304
For convenience, I summarize the currently known best setup here, using some words and images from my earlier posts, too.
The following steps are all needed, with the exactly the same materials, dimensions, etc. Small details make big difference.
List of materials (for sourcing kudos to @Playitloud):
- active carbon foam, at least 12 mm thick sheets
e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finest-Filters-Activated-Impregnated-Aquarium-Filters/dp/B005AK9FQ0 (this is 25 mm thick)
- 5 mm thick wool felt from meervilt.nl, the white (important!) color; we have tried natural, black, grey etc; the white (washed natural) one sounded the best; has to do with density
you need 2 pcs 73 mm diameter disks
- 2 mm thick white wool felt from meervilt.nl; you need 2 pcs 73mm diameter disks
- as above, but 3 mm thick white wool felt to try an alternative cup damping
List of tools:
- circular cutter like this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Olfa-Compass-Cutter-cutting-circles/dp/B000BK7NWC
- a good Phillips screwdriver
- a good thin blade sewing scissor for opening the earpads
- a good thin blade scissor (or equivalent) for trimming foam.
A. Modding the ear pads
This is the step requiring most skills.
Based on the previous experience in tuning the SR-007 ear pads, finding the optimum for the TH900 took quite short time.
Disclaimer: the modified pads can be restored to the likeness of their original state, but involves un-sewing and (careful manual) sewing again, which is not the same as before. So this is a simple, but destructive mod. However, if you need new pads, you can always get replacement pads from your Fostex dealer.
1. Unmount the earpads
by pulling the leather pad out, then around, until it comes off. Then, remove the white disk by rotating it with hand or a tool. Then try to mount them again in and out; after a few clicks-in clicks-out the movement becomes quite smooth. You can mount and unmount the pads more easily then, by putting the white disks into the leather pads and rotating the white disk together with the earpads with a short, firm movement. For experimenting I recommend not turning it until it clicks in, just halfway, it's enough for being in place.
For curiosity, listen to your TH900 without the earpads. It's more open sounding, right? Now we will try to make that more comfortable, and retain some of the cavern as well.
2. Open the ear pads
Undo the sewing on the edge of the white plastic base of the ear pads:
When done, the ear grill cloth comes off, and remove the foam filling:
Note that the foam filling is marked where it was bent because it's too high for the pads. We don't need the foam any more, archive it somewhere.
3. Make new earpad filling
Get this material:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Finest-Filters-Activated-Impregnated-Aquarium-Filters/dp/B005AK9FQ0
Cut a 105 mm diameter disk.
Cut an inner 73 mm diameter disk.
Cut the resulting ring in two thinner, 12.5 mm thick rings (EDIT 22.Apr.2017: 14-20 mm high at the back, mine is 18 mm now)
Then, trim/round off a little bit the outer and inner top edges.
Then, trim the angle into it: in the front it should be 7-8mm high, in the inner side of front should be ~10-14 mm high, and gradually growing to 12-18 mm in the back.
The result is something like this, and you can mount it then over the plastic base of earpads:
Then fold the leather part back, and put the white mounting disk in its place (on the left):
[ on the right: new dampers made of felt ]
Now you can mount and unmount the ear pads by matching to the guiding holes and slightly rotating them.
B. Dampers
This step is completely reversible.
The foam dampers are the grey foam rings around the drivers in the ear-facing side.
The new ring dampers are made from 5mm thick white (washed) wool felt from meervilt.nl, of 73 mm outer, and 48 mm inner diameter, as shown in the picture above.
The dampers make the biggest change in the sound, because they control the driver and cups loading. This makes the bass tiny or huge, and the midrange shouting or recessed.
Try 4mm dampers and it will be very open sounding, but a bit shouting. Try bigger outer diameter, and will be more muffled. Try bigger opening (inner diameter) and you get bigger stage, but shouting mids.
Now you can put the rings around the drivers, it will be held there by the earcups. No adhesive is needed.
Note. Playitloud tipped to trim the edges of the felt dampers so that they become very slightly rounded with a radius of ~1mm (upper outer and upper inner, optionally also the lower outer and inner edges). This actually makes a well audible difference, consider it fine-tuning to your taste, on how open should it sound. I "voiced" mine to the SR-009 tonality. It is possible to make it even more open, but then there are other problems.
EDIT 22.Apr.2017. I am still using the felt felt dampers sometimes (I have about 10 pairs or various make and size), but mostly I use the original Fostex dampers nowadays. That is good news for modders, as this is the most tricky mod to get right. Funnily they sound better than the newer but identical dampers from the TX00 variants.
C. Cups
This step is completely reversible.
1. Unmount the earpads.
2. Take out the dampers.
3. Unscrew the 4 small screws, and take one of them completely out.
4. Take off the cup.
5. Remover the polyfill stuffing.
6. Cut a 73mm diameter disk from the 2 (or 3) mm thick white wool felt from meervilt.nl.
7. Cut a 48mm diameter disk, so that you get a 73/48 ring and a 48mm diameter disk.
8. Put that into the cup as shown below. Don't glue it, it will stay there without moving. There is little space between the back of the driver and the wood.
9. Before assembling the cups back, align the cups using the hole from which you removed one of the screws, and a spot light. This is safe and sure. Use very gentle force with the wood screws.
10. Mount the earpads: insert the white plastic holder ring into the ear pads, align one of the dents with the sewing on the side of the ear pad, push the dents into the location, then with a short, firm movement, turn to click in the pads.
I should note that do not mix this with any Lawton mods. That caused me a 2 months dead end side experiment. The Lawton mod is good on the stock TH900, for taming the bass, and it does work as advertised, but nothing from there works in this mod. Do not mix them - but if you're a tinkerer you'll try it anyway .
Also, in our experience high pads (Audeze, Lawton etc) don't work well with this mod, and in general with the TH900. The ear pads are integral part of the mods. See also http://www.head-fi.org/t/595683/fostex-th900-impressions-discussion-thread/6270#post_10241637.
EDIT 22.Apr.2017. As the cups got older, they don't show any 3kHz ringing on the CSD any more when no damping is in the cups. So I have removed all damping from the cups (similarly to the TX00 variants). Prior to this, I've been using Twaron Angelhair (http://www.twaron-angelhair.com/), it's the best damping material if you need one (kudos to @playitloud).
Testing, listening
With these mods my TH900 is playing in about the same league as my SR-007 and SR-009, except fluid smoothness and ultimate accuracy/neutrality/instrument timbre/tonality, which is why the Stax are still the best IMO... but so far nothing can match the bass of the modded TH900, despite not being overshot any more - which gives them a kind of realism which is more physical than tonality related, but it feels like realism anyway. The lower register of string instruments is so palpable it gives you goosebumps. Real cello and double bass of course sound better, but this is as good as it gets from headphones today. Piano attack and decay, saxophone, percussions, and of course anything electronica sounds world class - in the context of the current headphone industry of course.
Since this last mod I could clearly hear much more difference between my home rig and mobile rig, between recordings, and even between two 10 cm USB OTG cables (call me nuts). Before I didn't hear much difference with the TH900.
Competing headphones would be the HE6+EF6 (I think my TH900 is better than them but the HE6 is slightly more neutral and a tiny bit smoother). But the TH900 is far more usable (portability, drive'ability - hence total system price -, isolation, etc) and did I mention the bass and sound stage?
These mods are relatively cheap, but they make a big difference. Since the minimum order quantities, and the little materials actually used it is worth joining forces with someone and share the materials.
Enjoy.
Finally, I would like to thank again to @playitloud for co-developing these mods, for being an inspiring buddy, sourcing master, tester and fellow music lover.