New Audio-gd DAC-19 [10th Anniversary Edition]
Jan 27, 2017 at 5:18 PM Post #1,801 of 1,962
  Hi, 
Well, after many tests, tweaking, plenty of cables used etc. I ended at High End RCA interconnect between 2 Audio GD devices. Instead of ACSS. RCA sound is more natural and non fatiguing. ACSS was nearly imposible to get the rigth balance on everything. I have very revealing Loud speakers - ATC SCM40. These are showing me right way with my rest equipment and all faults as well. DAC19 v7 firmware is big step up. v5 and older was very bad in space dimensions. Audio GD Precision 2 is fantastic amplifier (get one if you have any chance). My best bought equipment. Several people around me say it is by sound easily in 3-4k USD category. Very well done AGD! I am so happy with the amp..!

 
ATC SCM40 speaker? Very interesting--a beautiful looking speaker. I've been researching every major brand of "powered studio monitor" in the hope of finding one that is actually listenable for music(ie, not in a professional/mastering context). The smaller ATC 2-way [SCM20ASL Pro (V2)] keeps coming up, but is too large for my desktop (also more than double the limit of my budget. Anyway, if you're hearing the Precision 2 amp through the ATC's and it sounds really good--that probably means it IS good.
 
Jan 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Post #1,802 of 1,962
  So other than music, i use my pc for watching videos on youtube, streaming/downloaded dramas and anime. I found that i need to turn up the volume when im watching stuff and when i go back to foobar or even music vids on  youtube, i need to turn the volume down because its playing much louder. Anyone one experience this? I didn't have to play the volume knob as much with my Xonar STX.

 
It's common with USB DACs and HDMI audio connected to PCs. I would assume that it's due to the PC audio driver interfaces not having standard loudness levels for the different methods used to access sound in Windows. The Xonar would have drivers that fix that quirk, whereas Amanero (their driver is so freaking old...) and other manufacturers never bothered to address it.
 
I've learned to live with it myself. None of my PCs are using onboard/addon soundcards (1 portable DAC, 1 HDMI audio and 1 with the DAC-19)  and all of them exhibit this behaviour. 
 
Jan 28, 2017 at 11:37 AM Post #1,803 of 1,962
   
ATC SCM40 speaker? Very interesting--a beautiful looking speaker. I've been researching every major brand of "powered studio monitor" in the hope of finding one that is actually listenable for music(ie, not in a professional/mastering context). The smaller ATC 2-way [SCM20ASL Pro (V2)] keeps coming up, but is too large for my desktop (also more than double the limit of my budget. Anyway, if you're hearing the Precision 2 amp through the ATC's and it sounds really good--that probably means it IS good.

 
I have the predecessor, the Precision 1 and it was fantastic too, till it started over-emphasizing the midrange. All my fauilt, I'd unknowingly connected a pair of LCD 2s with gnawed cable (cat, not dog) and proceeded to play the hell out out of it, till a driver went bust. It's been sitting for quite a while now, waiting for me to return them to China - heavy as hell.
 
I love how Kingwa was happy to have me return them. They do keep their 10 year warranty promise. 
 
Feb 6, 2017 at 1:52 PM Post #1,805 of 1,962
For folks who have upgraded the dsp, what USB blaster did you get?
 
Feb 6, 2017 at 5:29 PM Post #1,806 of 1,962
Feb 7, 2017 at 12:05 AM Post #1,808 of 1,962
Order it from a US seller... There are plenty of them out there if you filter search results by country.

Not sure why people are ordering from China when you don't have to.
 
Feb 7, 2017 at 11:45 AM Post #1,810 of 1,962
I have to appologize, i just checked that link i sent you from amazon, it still ships from china... i ordered it from somewhere in the US i just can't remember where, i'm sure if you look around for Geeetech Altera USB Blaster you can find someplace in the US to buy it from. I will dig around a little to see if i can remember where i purchased it from.
 
**Edit**
Apparently i did order it from Amazon but at the time there must have been a US Seller, now all i see is one shipping from china on amazon. Sorry about that.
 
Feb 9, 2017 at 2:44 PM Post #1,812 of 1,962
Would you share what you think are the differences? Did you compare much?

 
Yes Ive done a side by side on the DACs switching in under 3 seconds on the same exact setup.
 
Some of my observations were:
 
1) The DAC-19 was more warm/mushy sounding and the bass seemed a bit more pronounced
2) The separation on the Yggy was better and the microdetails were much more apparent on the Yggy
3) The DAC-19 seemed to come on to me sound wise, whereas the Yggy seemed to stay in a linear stage in and arond me (if that makes any sense)
4) Overall the Yggy is a better DAC to my ears in the way it presents music.
 
Now I hear that a lot of these "ills" go away with the new DSP upgrade that I have not yet tried. 
 
Would I still be able to live with the DAC-19 if I hadn't bought the Yggy? Yes. Is the difference worth it to some and not others? Yes most likely. The DAC-19 is still a very competent DAC even its full price of $850++. The way music sounds on it is very pleasing, the timbre life-like and still brings out good detail. I was very happy with it for a long time and I cant say that about a lot of audio gear.
 
Feb 9, 2017 at 10:32 PM Post #1,813 of 1,962
   
Yes Ive done a side by side on the DACs switching in under 3 seconds on the same exact setup.
 
Some of my observations were:
 
1) The DAC-19 was more warm/mushy sounding and the bass seemed a bit more pronounced
2) The separation on the Yggy was better and the microdetails were much more apparent on the Yggy
3) The DAC-19 seemed to come on to me sound wise, whereas the Yggy seemed to stay in a linear stage in and arond me (if that makes any sense)
4) Overall the Yggy is a better DAC to my ears in the way it presents music.
 
Now I hear that a lot of these "ills" go away with the new DSP upgrade that I have not yet tried. 
 
Would I still be able to live with the DAC-19 if I hadn't bought the Yggy? Yes. Is the difference worth it to some and not others? Yes most likely. The DAC-19 is still a very competent DAC even its full price of $850++. The way music sounds on it is very pleasing, the timbre life-like and still brings out good detail. I was very happy with it for a long time and I cant say that about a lot of audio gear.

 
Thanks, Jozurr. I have the DAC-19 (non-upgraded) and two Schiity Schiits, the Modi MB and Modi 2U.
 
I largely agree (my ears that is) that to the extent my Modi MB represents the Yggy (sans full analog section), the DAC-19 has a musical quality with timbre and life-ness, while there is a relatively more "detailed" (etched?) character to the Schiit DACs. It's subtle and in some ways the detail is there with the DAC-19, just less pronounced and more blended with the musical flow. In my system, I prefer the DAC-19 despite the fact that the detail of the Modi MB is very seductive in its way.
 
For the money, I'd recommend people buy the Schiit unless they know from listening experience that the analog section of the DAC-19 is going to please their desire for more fluid, fuller bass. And I'd still say audition both because it'll be system dependent.
 
I find the coax input on the DAC-19 fed by a Oyaide silver 75 ohm coax BNC beats the Amanero USB (fed by microRendu) for my taste. But again I'd suggest it's within the definition of subtle and you have to know yourself. I feel the top to bottom sound is more together and gets my toes tapping and head-bobbing. I think I only listened to the Schiit USB input. So that's just what I like and thus I recommend it here so others can learn to hear what rocks for them. For the money, these are two outstanding pieces of gear. Writing this makes me want to slip the Modi MB back in via coax just for fun.
 
And the Modi 2U? Perfect match for a Bose Wave Music System all-in-one box I got as a gift. Muddy sound tightened up a bit! (OTOH, the Bose Soundlink Mini v.1 is an impressive bit of mini-speaker.)
 
Thanks again for sharing. Enjoy your Yggy!
 
Feb 10, 2017 at 5:12 AM Post #1,814 of 1,962
   
Yes Ive done a side by side on the DACs switching in under 3 seconds on the same exact setup.
 
Some of my observations were:
 
1) The DAC-19 was more warm/mushy sounding and the bass seemed a bit more pronounced
2) The separation on the Yggy was better and the microdetails were much more apparent on the Yggy
3) The DAC-19 seemed to come on to me sound wise, whereas the Yggy seemed to stay in a linear stage in and arond me (if that makes any sense)
4) Overall the Yggy is a better DAC to my ears in the way it presents music.
 
Now I hear that a lot of these "ills" go away with the new DSP upgrade that I have not yet tried. 
 
Would I still be able to live with the DAC-19 if I hadn't bought the Yggy? Yes. Is the difference worth it to some and not others? Yes most likely. The DAC-19 is still a very competent DAC even its full price of $850++. The way music sounds on it is very pleasing, the timbre life-like and still brings out good detail. I was very happy with it for a long time and I cant say that about a lot of audio gear.

 
Well it is a bit of an unfair comparison. The DAC-19 is now $780 and the Yggy is, well, almost 3X the price at $2299. The question really becomes, is the improvement in SQ worth that money, and for everyone in the audiophile world there are going to be different levels of commitment to the cause...
 
A more appropriate comparison is the Master 7 at $2180, which I think is Yggy's intended competitor. I haven't heard the Yggy myself but I have heard the Master 7 vs the DAC-19.  The Master 7 is an overall improvement over the DAC-19 - more natural tones and timbres, particularly with the treble, better definition, more refinement and so on and so forth. There are comparisons between the Master 7 and Yggys in other threads.
 
Feb 10, 2017 at 11:40 AM Post #1,815 of 1,962
Well it is a bit of an unfair comparison. The DAC-19 is now $780 and the Yggy is, well, almost 3X the price at $2299. The question really becomes, is the improvement in SQ worth that money, and for everyone in the audiophile world there are going to be different levels of commitment to the cause...

A more appropriate comparison is the Master 7 at $2180, which I think is Yggy's intended competitor. I haven't heard the Yggy myself but I have heard the Master 7 vs the DAC-19.  The Master 7 is an overall improvement over the DAC-19 - more natural tones and timbres, particularly with the treble, better definition, more refinement and so on and so forth. There are comparisons between the Master 7 and Yggys in other threads.


Never said that the comparison was fair. I agree it's an unfair comparison. Was asked to compare so I did.
 

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