DUNU DN-2000J -- More Than Evolution?
May 7, 2015 at 7:32 AM Post #211 of 2,123
I was initially interested in reviewing DN-2000J (that was the original plan months ago before the delay) though, I cannot commit the freedom for them currently.  It'll be up to you guys to make judgment. I do feel personally feel they will still have a similar mid-range I'm not fond of. 
 
May 7, 2015 at 10:11 AM Post #215 of 2,123
  I call them goblin ears...
 

 
Mine bigger then goblin's 
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I use to wear large size triple flanges for hours 
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Waiting for DUNU to send me the review sample of DN2000J 
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May 7, 2015 at 11:50 AM Post #216 of 2,123
Okay, so I just don't have the time to organize them well, so here are the kinda sloppy notes, just very slightly organized:
 
Just did a round robin with the Music Two, UERM, Noble 4C, and the 2000J. The bass resolution and texture is top notch on the 2000J. Granted, none of my CIEMs have mind-blowing bass quality, but they all seal much better than a universal at least, and it's still apparent the 2000J beats them all in texture and resolution. I'm pleasantly surprised. The quantity itself is slightly more than what I personally prefer, but I can live with it because it's just so tight and articulate. There's not sloppiness to the bass at all. It's apparent when I A/B it against the Titan 1, which by itself sounds like it has brilliant bass, and it does, but against the 2000J, there's no question which one has had more work done to it, despite both having titanium-coated diaphragms.
 
I still prefer the way the UERM spaces out instruments and how nuanced the midrange is, but the "mid-recession" of the UERM really shows when going up against the others. The Music Two sounds the most natural of all of them, but that 1723 driver really isn't high-end material. It doesn't have the refinement or resolution to take it across the line. The mid-centric 4C ends up sounding dull compared to the rest of them, but it has the fullest mids, along with the M2.
 
Vocals on the 2000J are surprisingly good. Detail and inflection are all there, perhaps a little too much initial bite, but that's the way the TWFK sounds. The K3003 has that quality too. Vocals are about as forward as the K3003's, more forward than the UERM, but less than the M2. The upper midrange of the K3003 is a bit more relaxed, though, while the 1k area is more relaxed on the 2000J.
 
Treble peaks are from 5-6k, 9-10k, 11-13k, with the strongest one being the 5-6k one (as expected from TWFK) and 11-13k. A relative null from 7-8.5 kHz. Slight dip in the early 1-1.5k area. Broad but mild mid-bass hump at 150 Hz --- biggest deal is that it's just tight and on point. Otherwise, pretty even overall.
 
I really need to do a direct comparison with the DN-2000. The 2000J right now is performing like a TOTL-level universal. The K3003's treble has some subtle refinements to it, but it's not a big difference --- mainly improvements on perceived "granularity" --- the K3003 has always exuded the feeling of being almost "too clean", and its custom BA driver is likely a big part of that voicing. The bass of the K3003 is far worse than the 2000J's. Like not even close. Then again, bass was always the K3003's weak spot. Where the K3003 very clearly beats the DN-2000J is in comfort and build quality. The K3003 is built like a true TOTL, luxury universal with its impeccable stainless steel milling that just simply feels more comfortable in the ears than the 2000J. The strain reliefs are built-in, wrapped around the body, while the 2000J's are traditional. I think it comes down to this --- if people want that sumptuous, luxury, over-the-top quality, they'll invariably get a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Pagani. That's the K3003. The DN-2000J is more like the GT-R --- it has the performance to take on the world's supercars (and come very close to matching or beating them for all but the most expensive of expensive), but it doesn't quite have the prestige, and even though it costs way less than the others, it's not exactly "cheap" either.
 
The weakness of the 2000J is that it doesn't quite separate instruments and overall treble apart well, so while it resolves well, it's all just "there". The K3003 has the same weakness, I think. This is where the CIEMs distinguish themselves. The UERM helps peel things apart. It's not actually more resolving, however, and in some areas might be less resolving.
 
May 7, 2015 at 1:12 PM Post #219 of 2,123
While I'm not as interested in the 2000J (the overall roughness of the TWFK is something I don't care for these days), I actually find myself quite interested in the titanium diaphragm its DD utilizes. So that's the real deal huh? Would you compare its performance to something like the bass driver in the 1plus2?
 
May 7, 2015 at 1:45 PM Post #220 of 2,123
  While I'm not as interested in the 2000J (the overall roughness of the TWFK is something I don't care for these days), I actually find myself quite interested in the titanium diaphragm its DD utilizes. So that's the real deal huh? Would you compare its performance to something like the bass driver in the 1plus2?


I didn't want to mention the 1Plus2 because it's been a very long time since I last heard it (two years, basically), but the kind of bass resolution I'm getting out of the 2000J's bass driver is astounding, and it made me think of the 1Plus2 when I first put them in. Bass quality is probably the single greatest strength of the DN-2000J. I need to put in more ear time with other earphones, but I'm increasingly of the opinion that the DN-2000J has TOTL-level bass response. I'm noticing things in my music that I would previously ignore. I don't have my EX1000 with me (which has long been my dynamic driver reference for bass response), but I know it well enough to state that the 2000J surpasses the EX1000 in bass quality. I'm quite confident of that statement.
 
The mids/treble are love or hate, mostly because of the particular qualities of the TWFK, though out of the hybrids I've heard (again, have not heard anything from T-PEOS), this is one of the best voiced TWFK mid/high ranges, just not really the "smooth" sound some people are looking for --- I wouldn't bet on Tyll liking them, that's for sure (but I be willing to bet he'd sure as heck be impressed by the overall performance). I certainly also wouldn't listen to the DN-2000J for a very long period of time without using Comply foams and at low volumes. The retail version has clearly improved upon the prototypes in lessening harshness, to the point that I don't find it any more aggressive than say, the XBA-A3. The prototype would've made even the most treble tolerant folks a bit wary (though it was super impressive with the treble extension).
 
However, the people who want that exciting powerful, enveloping and generally impressive sound, need to try the DN-2000J. It's built to rock peoples' socks off with awe. I'm seriously not trying to overhype this product. I've seen and heard a lot. This is the first hybrid that has gotten me to mutter, "okay, I see what the fuss is about."

In terms of hybrids, the K3003 is still the original and the classic, for all its controversy. But DUNU has clearly managed to make something that easily surpasses it in the bass, and nearly matches it in the mids and highs (trading places here and there).
 
May 7, 2015 at 2:03 PM Post #221 of 2,123
 
I didn't want to mention the 1Plus2 because it's been a very long time since I last heard it (two years, basically), but the kind of bass resolution I'm getting out of the 2000J's bass driver is astounding, and it made me think of the 1Plus2 when I first put them in.

Yeah, fair enough, that was the first phone to spring to mind when you mentioned "tightness and articulation" as the bass on that phone also left an impression on me. (I wasn't as taken by its other qualities however, which include the sort of odd duck imaging, and the overall aloof nature of the mids) I'm actually quite intrigued that you feel that the bass exceeds that of the Ex1000 as that's another contender for all time best DD bass performance. 
 
I guess the only area of concern remains with the mids/treble (more aggressive upper mids than K3K, and advising to listen at lower volumes with comply). How much ear time are you able to get at a good listening volume before fatigue sets in? That was the one thing about the 1plus2 that totally did me in. The overall signature was so aggressive that I couldn't listen for more than an hour or so before I'd had enough, and on some songs, I had issues making it through without constantly fiddling with the volume. 
 
Oh and don't sweat missing out on the TPEOS stuff lol. They'll also leave an impression, and for all the wrong reasons :l 
 
May 7, 2015 at 4:15 PM Post #222 of 2,123
  Yeah, fair enough, that was the first phone to spring to mind when you mentioned "tightness and articulation" as the bass on that phone also left an impression on me. (I wasn't as taken by its other qualities however, which include the sort of odd duck imaging, and the overall aloof nature of the mids) I'm actually quite intrigued that you feel that the bass exceeds that of the Ex1000 as that's another contender for all time best DD bass performance. I guess the only area of concern remains with the mids/treble (more aggressive upper mids than K3K, and advising to listen at lower volumes with comply). How much ear time are you able to get at a good listening volume before fatigue sets in? That was the one thing about the 1plus2 that totally did me in. The overall signature was so aggressive that I couldn't listen for more than an hour or so before I'd had enough, and on some songs, I had issues making it through without constantly fiddling with the volume. 


My EX1000 is ancient, though, so perhaps age has not been kind to it, but at the point, I don't think the EX1000 can match the 2000J in bass articulation. Everything is on point, and I mean everything. It doesn't have that "way too fast to be realistic sound", either. Sub-bass carries the right amount of energy, and the mid-bass never ever gets away from itself. I have a bunch of tracks that I listen with to test mid-bass bloat, such as La Venus du Melo from Stacey Kent. It is one of those tracks where the bass line will swing one of two ways: it will either bloat endlessly and muck up everything (think Westone W50), or be too tight for any kind of realistic presence (Etymotic ER4). Either way, that track's bass almost always sounds like a murky haze because the recording was mostly mixed that way. It takes an IEM (and amp) with stellar low frequency resolution to resolve the tiniest details in there. For example, the Custom Art Harmony 8/Pro (demo) does a great job of resolving the hidden bass texture in that track. The 2000J will do it too.
 
Something like Usher's Foolin' Around is also great to hear for synthesized bass and an earphone's ability to render it. The track employs various different cut-off times for different bass beats, and a good earphone will be able to distinguish the smallest differences in note sustain and subsequent cut-off. Bass that is "too fast" can sound like it can't wait for the sustained notes to stop, while the loose bass earphones won't cut off the quick bass fast enough and leave lingering energy that will fog up the subsequent music. I will tend to try to standardize the "speed" of the bass response to a pair of very, very, very good loudspeakers.
 
In general, I err on the side of caution these days, and whenever I sense an earphone can be potentially fatiguing, I tend not to test my limits. Thus, I set the Concero HP to 2% on the Windows slider. For single track tests, I bump it up to 4%. Luckily, it's still pretty clear and resolving at 2%.
 
My reason for recommending Complys is that silicone tips tend to enhance the DN-2000J's tendency to resolve what I call, "treble detritus" --- basically sonic junk in the upper treble that grimes up music. They also make the decay of treble seem at times artificial, and Comply foams tend to make all that sound more natural. Even so, the timbre is a bit more natural sounding than, say, DUNU's own Titan 1, which can make piano strikes sound metallic. The 2000J doesn't seem to have this issue.
 
From memory, the 2000J doesn't strike me nearly as aggressive as is the 1Plus2, and it definitely doesn't share its odd faraway midrange presentation. A tamed down version (less bassy, less intensely spiky) of the XBA-A3 is a closer analogy.
 
May 7, 2015 at 4:49 PM Post #223 of 2,123
  Okay, so I just don't have the time to organize them well, so here are the kinda sloppy notes, just very slightly organized:
 
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Thanks for your excellent impressions!
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Hmm, I actually perceive my UERM as more mid-forward than my K3003, mainly due to less bass presence. Vocals sound spatially closer and more intimate to me, while the K3003 have more depth and forward projection.
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How's the bass emphasis of the of the 2000J, compared to the UERM and K3003? Btw, I didn't hear much of an advantage in bass tightness in direct A/B between the 1plus2 and K3003, so that's probably not something that becomes apparent with my kind of music and / or isn't high on my list of priorities.
 
May 7, 2015 at 4:49 PM Post #224 of 2,123
So would a tape mod'ed XBA H3 esk sound profile without the Frankenstein trademark design also be a fair estimination of this kit?
 
May 7, 2015 at 6:18 PM Post #225 of 2,123
Thanks for your excellent impressions! :smile_phones:

Hmm, I actually perceive my UERM as more mid-forward than my K3003, mainly due to less bass presence. Vocals sound spatially closer and more intimate to me, while the K3003 have more depth and forward projection. :confused:

How's the bass emphasis of the of the 2000J, compared to the UERM and K3003? Btw, I didn't hear much of an advantage in bass tightness in direct A/B between the 1plus2 and K3003, so that's probably not something that becomes apparent with my kind of music and / or isn't high on my list of priorities.


I agree that the K3003 has more apparent forward projection than the UERM, but I don't sense mids are more forward on the UERM.

The 2000J has about the same bass emphasis as does the K3003, but functionally it sounds slightly less emphasized because it's tighter.

The K3003's bass is not really that loose, but under direct A/B, the 2000J simply sound more composed and resolving, with less wishy-washy energy. This is from listening to specific bass sequences from various songs and consistently coming to the same conclusions. For most of the spectrum of sound, I can see why some would prefer the K3003, but for anything <500 Hz or so, the advantage clearly belongs to the 2000J.

I have not heard the 1Plus2 in a long time, but at the time I did listen to it, it had highly impressive bass.

So would a tape mod'ed XBA H3 esk sound profile without the Frankenstein trademark design also be a fair estimination of this kit?


I have not tried the tape mod for the H3, but I can say I think the A3 has superior bass to the H3, and the 2000J has less quantity of bass compared to the A3. That's really all I can remark.
 

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