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Huge Comparison of [almost] all the Best Bluetooth Headphones - post your own comparisons here

Mar 16, 2015 at 11:40 AM Post #436 of 3,643
n00b2 said:
 
Have you considered doing a comparison with the Definitive Technology Symphony 1? They seem to just be available now.
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Can't say that I am too fond of what looks like a fairly bulky design. But I haven't looked into those cans too much yet. I'll keep them in mind and read what you guys have to say about them.
 
 
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viryu said:
  And out of curiousity after reading you guys' recent posts - what's the point of testing M1ABT now? Hi-Res uses LDAC codec, but there is no device using it to send music through it to the headphones anyway, is there? So it would be using aptX at most anyway, right?
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For me personally it's that I liked both the design and sound of the Sony MDR-1RBT, but had to sent them back due to constant skipping issues with Apple devices (known and confirmed by Sony themselves). If these are fixed with the new MDR-1ABT, then I might have finally found the pair I have been looking for.
 
Mar 16, 2015 at 2:59 PM Post #438 of 3,643
viryu said:
  And out of curiousity after reading you guys' recent posts - what's the point of testing M1ABT now? Hi-Res uses LDAC codec, but there is no device using it to send music through it to the headphones anyway, is there? So it would be using aptX at most anyway, right?
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Their ridiculously priced NW-ZX2 music player already has it, and their upcoming Xperia Z4 tablet will have it. I'm guessing their next Xperia phone will have it aswell.
 
So basically yes you are right, and you'll probably need to invest in swapping to an upcoming top-of-the-line Sony smartphone to draw advantage of the LDAC codec. Then again, they already support aptX and AAC, that's as good as any other headset out there, and they're reasonably-ish priced.
 
Mar 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM Post #439 of 3,643
viryu said:
  What's the headband of WS99BT made of? Is it something prone to breaking, like plastic, or something better?
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I don't know, because it is completely ermined with padded leatherette. Impossible to say if beneat it there is metal or plastic, but the build, although all of plastic, looks very sturdy and of high quality plastic.
You know it, plastic is not always the same...
 
Mar 17, 2015 at 12:22 AM Post #440 of 3,643
yappadappadu said:
   
Can't say that I am too fond of what looks like a fairly bulky design. But I haven't looked into those cans too much yet. I'll keep them in mind and read what you guys have to say about them.
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Fair enough. For me they look like the pair I have been waiting for. Finally found a pair of headphones that are large enough to fit my ears, sound great, seal well and have NC. They definitely are bulky though, and the main case is huge! It does come with a small cloth carry bag though which is small enough to fit it bags without taking up too much space but I guess they will always look big on your ears due to their size.
 
Mar 17, 2015 at 4:33 AM Post #441 of 3,643
yappadappadu said:
These days the only ppl with Beats around that I see are kids. Headphones worn by adults are more diverse, though I see a lot of Sony cans.

A few days ago I finally saw someone else wearing the Plantronics Backbeat Pro and it was a disheartening sight. I'll definitely miss the design of my Momentum Wireless when I send them back.
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Why are you sending the momentum wireless back?
 
Mar 17, 2015 at 4:37 AM Post #442 of 3,643
giogio said:
@Nothing Within
, yes, marketing for sure. Although, I think it is a bit more complicated than just red or blue like the pill in Matrix.
I also agree that the price should be different IF they would want to make it proportioned to the quality. But, a part of that Marketing is that with such an high price they make people think that they are buying something really good. And that they are cool because they have it, that something which everybody would like to have but cannot afford to pay.
Which probably also happens among audiophiles. I am pretty sure that if you give two high end headphones to audiophiles, which sound absolutely IDENTICAL, but one looks better and costs 2 times more and possibly comes from a more famous brand, the 90% of them will try to find reasons to prefer the more expensive, and will found them, even if there isn't any.
On the other hand, if the price becomes too high, then the effect gets reversed and people start admiring how wonderful do the cheaper sound.
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Yes it is quite complex and very smart of a strategy on how some buinesses market. Blue and red are just examples of marketing and advertising such as blue feeling or telling people that is cold or red telling that person hot, lol matrix reference. You would have to look more into the color strategy with advertisements.
 
Mar 17, 2015 at 4:47 AM Post #443 of 3,643
n00b2 said:
I've tried telling my friends and showing them. They will always prefer their Beats until something comes along with more distortion, muddy bass and less clarity. They are truly a lost cause and it drives me crazy sometimes. They are brand lovers to some extent but they still prefer their boomy bass over brands. I remember when we went to the Bose store for the first time they were so excited that they could finally afford the only uber premium brand that they knew about and then they walked out disappointed that the Bose didn't sound anywhere as good as they had expected (in other words the bass wasn't boomy enough).

Marketing is the correct word for Beats just like it is for Bose. Beats get away with that price because a lot of people think they are a premium brand. Indeed in many stores they are by far the most expensive brand available, with all the others on offer being cheapo no name brands or Logitech. If a store had other premium brands along with Beats at the same price many people would still go for the Beats simply because they have heard of it before or their friends have raved about them. Same reason why a lot of HTIB owners save up or look forward to buying Bose Cubes. Bose is the only premium speaker brand they know and they always hear such amazing things bout it so it must be amazing. I remember a story about this one guy around here who went to get his hearing tested after buying a set of Bose Cubes. He thought they sounded crap and thought there must be something wrong with his ears for him to think that!

Beats are like the best selling mainstream over ear headphones brand now. Arguably they should make their prices even higher. They would probably get more profit if they did. Lowering their prices to match their sound quality would not only lower their profits but also ruin their mainstream reputation of being a premium headphones brand with excellent sound quality.
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Well there is nothing you can do for them until they want to learn more themselves about what they are purchasing, then you could help them to understand but hey theres nothing wrong with buying a pair of beats just let your friends buy their branded fashion accessories and enjoy what they prefer lol. Bass heavy you say? "Throw" some Vmoda's m100s at them and see if they like it, those are bass heavy but not ridiculously distorted as Beats. Quite a "head turning" headphone too. One of my favorite youtubers always says Be skeptical of EVERYTHING.
 
Mar 17, 2015 at 5:35 AM Post #444 of 3,643
nothing within said:
Well there is nothing you can do for them until they want to learn more themselves about what they are purchasing, then you could help them to understand but hey theres nothing wrong with buying a pair of beats just let your friends buy their branded fashion accessories and enjoy what they prefer lol. Bass heavy you say? "Throw" some Vmoda's m100s at them and see if they like it, those are bass heavy but not ridiculously distorted as Beats. Quite a "head turning" headphone too. One of my favorite youtubers always says Be skeptical of EVERYTHING.
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I actually did get them to listen to the Vmoda m100s. That was one of the first pairs I showed them. They liked the looks of them more than the beats. They didn't mind the sound either, liked it much more than other headphones I showed them. But they prefer the Beats. Like I said they are a lost cause lol. They love their bass crazily distorted and overpowering everything. Clean bass heavy cans are not their preference though yes they would rather a pair of M100s than the Momentum or Symphony that is being discussed here. Their favorite speakers are the muteki after all.
 
Mar 17, 2015 at 9:49 AM Post #445 of 3,643
nothing within said:
Why are you sending the momentum wireless back?
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They don't deal well with interferences, so I experience a lot of bluetooth connection problems on the street. Bass could also be a little bit heavier. At a price of 450€, I can't accept that.
 
The Sony MDR-1ABT have AAC which could be interesting considering that I have an iPhone. Looks like the old MDR-1RBT did too. No idea though if that codec was used or not when I had them.
 
Mar 17, 2015 at 10:14 PM Post #446 of 3,643
Well, I am novice, an no where near have golden ears..
 
With that said, I have the Momentum M2, and the Def Tech Symp 1.
 
I am judging them against my much loved Sony MDR 1RBT MK2..
 
With the M2, right off, it seem a little lower then my Sony MK2.. However, after a day I guess of burning in, the M2 outshined my Sony 1RBT MK2..The ANC on the M2, and this is my first noise cancelling headphone too, really does a job. At the gym, people talking to me, I see lips moving!! Haven't had any connection problems. The bass, highs and lows sound just as good or better than my Sony MK2.
 
The Def Tech Symp 1, I would say equal to my Sony or just a hair above. NC not like the M2.. Yes, I like the M2 over the Def Tech..
 
Now , both of these are over my Sony Mk2, but are the $499 and $399 over top my Sony Mk2? 
 
Both of them are nice and comfy. My Sonys slip off at the gym, so I use Harman Kardon BTs at the gym. The M2 worked well with me at the gym too. No slipping off. Haven't took the Def Tech to the gym yet.
 
The source is my Note 4  which has aptx and playing flac files across blue tooth.How they performed wired and amped is not a high point with me. It is mainly the bluetooth function. The M2s have won my favor, but don't know it is has $499 favor.. Will see.
 
Mar 18, 2015 at 2:47 AM Post #448 of 3,643
cehowardnote3 said:
With the M2, right off, it seem a little lower then my Sony MK2.. The Def Tech Symp 1, I would say equal to my Sony or just a hair above. NC not like the M2.. Yes, I like the M2 over the Def Tech..
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What do you mean with "a little lower"?
 
Very cool, very very nice, you have three of the more important BT Headphones.
There is NO WAY that I am gonna let you come out of this with just two lines. Man, we all count on you.
Read my first post at the beginning of the thread to have an idea of a comparison methodology (it is mine, you can develope yours, but, it is a start).
And do something more in-depth if you can. Adding the HK too.
WHich goes deeper in the bass? Which one has got more rumble (this vibration on very low notes)? Which one more punch?
Which one has got warmer mids?
Which one more clear and precise highs, not sibilant?
Which is more balanced and neutral out of the box, and which one boost some frequencies (bass, low mids -muddy-, mids, highs)? Which can be better retuned with an EQ (some headphones sound better out of the box but show to be very limited if you boost something with an EQ).
Which has got better connectivity? Better range?
Better detail? Soundstage?
 
Let us know, I am ******* jealous!!!
 
deckardk said:
Odd that you don't experience drops on the M2s. Many complain of it. Users also complain of a hiss. Do you hear it?
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Where do you possibly read that? THis is exactly the opposite of what I read. At least if you talk of the hiss of the ANC. People stated that, for example, the BeoPlay H8 filter more noise but adds hiss, while the M2 filter a bit less, but adds no hiss.
Now, if you talk of the normal hiss of the BT Amp, I did nt read anything about it.
 
Mar 18, 2015 at 3:18 AM Post #449 of 3,643
I haven't figured out the m2 hiss yet, if I am at home I notice it straight away, but at workplace which has slight white noise from the ventilation system, I can't hear the hiss... almost like the ANC needs some white noise to work with.
 
Mar 18, 2015 at 5:57 AM Post #450 of 3,643
giogio said:
  What do you mean with "a little lower"?
 
Very cool, very very nice, you have three of the more important BT Headphones.
There is NO WAY that I am gonna let you come out of this with just two lines. Man, we all count on you.
Read my first post at the beginning of the thread to have an idea of a comparison methodology (it is mine, you can develope yours, but, it is a start).
And do something more in-depth if you can. Adding the HK too.
WHich goes deeper in the bass? Which one has got more rumble (this vibration on very low notes)? Which one more punch?
Which one has got warmer mids?
Which one more clear and precise highs, not sibilant?
Which is more balanced and neutral out of the box, and which one boost some frequencies (bass, low mids -muddy-, mids, highs)? Which can be better retuned with an EQ (some headphones sound better out of the box but show to be very limited if you boost something with an EQ).
Which has got better connectivity? Better range?
Better detail? Soundstage?
 
Let us know, I am ******* jealous!!!
 
Where do you possibly read that? THis is exactly the opposite of what I read. At least if you talk of the hiss of the ANC. People stated that, for example, the BeoPlay H8 filter more noise but adds hiss, while the M2 filter a bit less, but adds no hiss.
Now, if you talk of the normal hiss of the BT Amp, I did nt read anything about it.
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Giogio, don't beat me up!! 
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I clarified going, that I am a novice, and don't have golden ears. Also, my priorities differ from a lot of head-fiers..
 
Bluetooth is my #1 priority.
 
My novice status doesn't allow me to hit those little picky points you mention. All I can do is give a general consensus of the 3..
 
 As it stands now after 2 or 3 days of listening to all 3, the Senn M2 comes out on top. IMO, the M2 clearly out distances the other two in all areas..Not by leaps and bounds, but better.
 
Also, my M2 most likely is a later model. As Amazon was out of stock at one time. So, it could be some fixes were in place.
 
With the Senn M2s, I have experience NO CONNECTION PROBLEMS. I have experience no HISS. The Senn M2 blocks out more noise than my MK2s, which are not NC, and better than the Def Tech..
 
The Senn M2s, give up nice clear highs, lows. M2's bass is more of a bass than on the Def Techs.  Not into hitting any or using EQs.. I am using Poweramp off my Note 4, playing mostly flac files.. With my Mk2 I have to turn on aptx, with volume up + power button. On the Senn M2 and Def Tech the aptx comes on automatically.
 
I didn't add the HK BT into the mix, because my Sony 1RBT Mk2 clearly out distances the Harman Kardon BT... The Harman Kardon BT is my gym/workout headphone because of its superior clamping force.
 
In summary, to me, the Senn M2 is the clear winner. Whether I will keep it is still up in the air. The M2s, although they don't  clamp as tight as the HK BTs, they are still better than the Mk2s. I could work with the M2s in the gym. The cups on the M2s are the smallest too. Almost feel like on ear phones, but they are comfortable. Just for the record, will take the M2s to the gym with me again. 
 
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