Dunu TITAN Series (new for 2019: Titan 6) [Page 196]
Jan 28, 2015 at 3:18 AM Post #226 of 3,012
For @H20Fidelity and @jaker782
 
Luke already knows my preferences - but see any of my reviews for reference points to what I like, what I don't and where my personal bias sits.
 
DUNU Titan vs DN-1000
 
Tracks from my test list , DAP used was the X5, volume matching was done with a 1 kHz and 3 kHz test tone.
 
DN 1000 has a lot less sound stage, and at first sounds a lot clearer - almost etched.  After a bit of back and forth I realised clarity was probably equal - it's just the intimacy of the DN-1000 that makes it sound a lot clearer, whereas the Titan is a bit more distant.
 
The overall balance of the Titan is better than the DN-1000.  It sounds more natural.  The DN-1000 comparatively sounds a little too upper-mid/lower-treble slanted, and a bit strident.
 
Titan bass is slightly less in quantity, but a little fuller and deeper. DN-1000 bass has a little more quantity, impact seems to change from track to track.  These are quite hard to A/B.
 
I just played Lindsay Stirling's Electric Daisy Violin, and where the Titan sounded pretty good, switching to the DN-1000 actually had me wanting to lower the volume quite a bit (they were quite strident).
 
Both have a bit of a V shape to them - but the DN1000 is a lot more noticeable - with emphasis on both upper mid / lower treble and bass
 
Don't get me wrong though, the DN-1000 still sounds great with acoustic music, and has great clarity and separation - with very up front, vivid and intimate vocals. It can just get a little peaky at times. The more time you spend with them, the more your ears adjust, and the more natural they start sounding.  The problem is when I switch. Yes the Titan sounds further away, but the first thing that strikes me comparatively is how much better they are balanced.  The only issue I have with the Titans is that sometimes I want to turn them up, simply so I can bring the vocals more into focus.
 
The Titans definitely do timbre better for me - the cello sounds deep, resonant, beautiful. Comparatively the DN-1000 just misses that really low texture that the Titan does effortlessly.
 
In everything I tested, The DN1000 were really good with straight acoustic, bluegrass and some classic rock (actually rock generally) - but the Titan did these equally well (just a little differently). For everything else (classical, opera, blues, jazz, indie & especially my female vocalists), I'd pick the Titan every time.
 
I guess my tastes have changed a lot in the last 12 months, and not listening to the DN-1000 for a while has put it at a disadvantage (not used to it's signature).  While it's really clear, I also find it peaky, strident, and almost "too much".  However, I'm sure if I listened to the DN-1000, and only the DN-1000 for a couple of days, these impressions could be an entirely different story.
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 3:23 AM Post #227 of 3,012
   
DN-1000 with the JVC eartips is still my reference IEM. I haven't heard anything else has better tonal balance under $1k, better than DN-1000. DN-1000, like my Beyerdynamic T1, they are instrumental for me, tools that I really need. Not just an IEM that I like the sound. If my DN-1000 spoil, I will buy another one.
I compared them, DN-1000 and Titan 1, still prefer the DN-1000 with JVC eartips. DN-1000 IMHO still better, with more linear tonal balance than Titan 1. Looking at the price difference with DN-1000, Titan 1 is good for the price. I do like Titan 1, but so far only for certain recordings, not for closed miked vocal. Titan 1 is good for certain recordings that doesn't cause the treble peak on Titan 1 to show up. But with many closed miked recordings, sibilant on vocal is mostly always there.

 
I wonder if the tips are making a huge difference then.  I used same comply tips for my comparison above.  I own the T1 (love it), and while I would consider it a good reference can, I don't rate the DN-1000 at all as a good reference.  Too peaky (quite strident) at times and too much of a V for my tastes. I'd much rather take the A83 - and even that is not what I would consider reference.
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 3:38 AM Post #228 of 3,012
 
Any comparison against Havi B3's soundstage?

 
I'll keep this one short - again using the X5.  On the binaural track I just tested, the Havi is closer, not by a huge margin though. On Loreena McKennit's Dante's Prayer the Titan has more width and depth also (more of a sense of width though). The Titans are more natural tonally as well.  Havis present vocals quite nicely though. 
 
  I am currently using my Brainwavz R3 (ver 2) as my main out and about IEM. I actually like it's sound signature a lot, but I am totally fed up with it's mediocre fit and wildly unruly cable.
 
Dunu gets a lot of praising around here and this strikes me as a great bang for the buck IEM. Everyone agrees that these are very comfortable which is just as important for me as sound. Love it that these sound spacious (wonder if anyone can compare to the R3s?) but I am afraid of all the V shape comments. Is it too lacking in vocals/main instruments?

 
The R3 vocals are definitely more intimate, and they are more energetic. The Titan is more laid back and the vocals have a little distance comparatively.  They are very slightly V shaped, but it's not cavernous and the mid-range is not heavily recessed.  I still love them for vocals.  Great for background listening. I'd recommend grabbing the Titans as they'll provide a great contrast to the R3. Then if you want something more vocal/mid-range focussed,and don't want to break the bank - you could always just pick up a Brainwavz M1 sometime down the track.
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 5:38 AM Post #229 of 3,012
  For @H20Fidelity and @jaker782
 
Luke already knows my preferences - but see any of my reviews for reference points to what I like, what I don't and where my personal bias sits.
 
DUNU Titan vs DN-1000
 
Tracks from my test list , DAP used was the X5, volume matching was done with a 1 kHz and 3 kHz test tone.
 
DN 1000 has a lot less sound stage, and at first sounds a lot clearer - almost etched.  After a bit of back and forth I realised clarity was probably equal - it's just the intimacy of the DN-1000 that makes it sound a lot clearer, whereas the Titan is a bit more distant.
 
The overall balance of the Titan is better than the DN-1000.  It sounds more natural.  The DN-1000 comparatively sounds a little too upper-mid/lower-treble slanted, and a bit strident.
 
Titan bass is slightly less in quantity, but a little fuller and deeper. DN-1000 bass has a little more quantity, impact seems to change from track to track.  These are quite hard to A/B.
 
I just played Lindsay Stirling's Electric Daisy Violin, and where the Titan sounded pretty good, switching to the DN-1000 actually had me wanting to lower the volume quite a bit (they were quite strident).
 
Both have a bit of a V shape to them - but the DN1000 is a lot more noticeable - with emphasis on both upper mid / lower treble and bass
 
Don't get me wrong though, the DN-1000 still sounds great with acoustic music, and has great clarity and separation - with very up front, vivid and intimate vocals. It can just get a little peaky at times. The more time you spend with them, the more your ears adjust, and the more natural they start sounding.  The problem is when I switch. Yes the Titan sounds further away, but the first thing that strikes me comparatively is how much better they are balanced.  The only issue I have with the Titans is that sometimes I want to turn them up, simply so I can bring the vocals more into focus.
 
The Titans definitely do timbre better for me - the cello sounds deep, resonant, beautiful. Comparatively the DN-1000 just misses that really low texture that the Titan does effortlessly.
 
In everything I tested, The DN1000 were really good with straight acoustic, bluegrass and some classic rock (actually rock generally) - but the Titan did these equally well (just a little differently). For everything else (classical, opera, blues, jazz, indie & especially my female vocalists), I'd pick the Titan every time.
 
I guess my tastes have changed a lot in the last 12 months, and not listening to the DN-1000 for a while has put it at a disadvantage (not used to it's signature).  While it's really clear, I also find it peaky, strident, and almost "too much".  However, I'm sure if I listened to the DN-1000, and only the DN-1000 for a couple of days, these impressions could be an entirely different story.



Thanks Brooko,
 
It seems like myself you've become accustomed to Titan's signature, probably why I enjoy Titan so much late at night. Its funny you mention the differences and DN-1000 sounding peaky. I switched over to my Rhapsodio hybrid last night and was whacked in the face with a heap of detail, but it sounded quite artificial after listening to Titan, especially an absence I was sensing in the lower mid-range. Like you yourself, if I had stuck with it I'd have adjusted though I went back to Titan.
 
I will probably still venture into another DN-1000 or DN-2000J.
 
I think what's catching people is the naturalness of Titan's dynamic driver, its giving balanced armatures in these hybrid designs a hard time with their timbre, then when you add the half in-ear design of Titan throwing in the staging, air and sense of space on top this gives them a challenge. I have other IEM here which reveal more detail, though Titan reaches that level making me think "do I really require anymore". 
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 5:45 AM Post #230 of 3,012
Luke - if you want I can send my DN-1000 over.  I don't really use it much more except for comparisons.  It has the slowly stiffening cable issue, but would at least let you do more comparisons and see if it's worth it.  I have to send Vic's gear back in a week or so anyway - and was thinking about doing a RockJaw tour (so it would give you a chance to listen to the Arcana (think you'll like them) and the Kommand.
 
We can take this to PM in the weekend.
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 7:26 AM Post #232 of 3,012
   
I wonder if the tips are making a huge difference then.  I used same comply tips for my comparison above.  I own the T1 (love it), and while I would consider it a good reference can, I don't rate the DN-1000 at all as a good reference.  Too peaky (quite strident) at times and too much of a V for my tastes. I'd much rather take the A83 - and even that is not what I would consider reference.

 
One reason that I always mention the JVC eartips whenever I mention DN-1000 is because the difference over the stock tips is SIGNIFICANT.
It's peaky and strident because of the comply foam tips.  I can confidently say, you haven't heard DN-1000 real potential without the JVC EP-FX eartips.
 
But I'm not gonna convince you with words. Hearing is believing. I have one extra pair or the JVC EP-FX, pm me your address and let me know your eartip size, I will mail one pair to you. 
Please take note, as mentioned in my review, that the JVC EP-FX eartips is 1 mm larger than the regular eartips size:
Large Size: JVC EP-FX8L-B (14 mm diameter)
Medium Size: JVC EP-FX8M-B (12 mm diameter)
Small Size: JVC EP-FX8S-B (10 mm diameter) 
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 8:25 AM Post #233 of 3,012
  For @H20Fidelity and @jaker782
 
Luke already knows my preferences - but see any of my reviews for reference points to what I like, what I don't and where my personal bias sits.
 
DUNU Titan vs DN-1000
 
Tracks from my test list , DAP used was the X5, volume matching was done with a 1 kHz and 3 kHz test tone.
 
DN 1000 has a lot less sound stage, and at first sounds a lot clearer - almost etched.  After a bit of back and forth I realised clarity was probably equal - it's just the intimacy of the DN-1000 that makes it sound a lot clearer, whereas the Titan is a bit more distant.
 
The overall balance of the Titan is better than the DN-1000.  It sounds more natural.  The DN-1000 comparatively sounds a little too upper-mid/lower-treble slanted, and a bit strident.
 
Titan bass is slightly less in quantity, but a little fuller and deeper. DN-1000 bass has a little more quantity, impact seems to change from track to track.  These are quite hard to A/B.
 
I just played Lindsay Stirling's Electric Daisy Violin, and where the Titan sounded pretty good, switching to the DN-1000 actually had me wanting to lower the volume quite a bit (they were quite strident).
 
Both have a bit of a V shape to them - but the DN1000 is a lot more noticeable - with emphasis on both upper mid / lower treble and bass
 
Don't get me wrong though, the DN-1000 still sounds great with acoustic music, and has great clarity and separation - with very up front, vivid and intimate vocals. It can just get a little peaky at times. The more time you spend with them, the more your ears adjust, and the more natural they start sounding.  The problem is when I switch. Yes the Titan sounds further away, but the first thing that strikes me comparatively is how much better they are balanced.  The only issue I have with the Titans is that sometimes I want to turn them up, simply so I can bring the vocals more into focus.
 
The Titans definitely do timbre better for me - the cello sounds deep, resonant, beautiful. Comparatively the DN-1000 just misses that really low texture that the Titan does effortlessly.
 
In everything I tested, The DN1000 were really good with straight acoustic, bluegrass and some classic rock (actually rock generally) - but the Titan did these equally well (just a little differently). For everything else (classical, opera, blues, jazz, indie & especially my female vocalists), I'd pick the Titan every time.
 
I guess my tastes have changed a lot in the last 12 months, and not listening to the DN-1000 for a while has put it at a disadvantage (not used to it's signature).  While it's really clear, I also find it peaky, strident, and almost "too much".  However, I'm sure if I listened to the DN-1000, and only the DN-1000 for a couple of days, these impressions could be an entirely different story.

 
I'm having a similar experience.  My DN-1000's have been sitting on the shelf since getting the Altone's and RE-600's.  However, after trying them again recently, I found that, while enjoyable, they were "too much" for me as well, especially the bass.  I feel like too much lower end is present on tracks where it is not really there to begin with, if that makes any sense.  I did not feel this way when I got them.  The Altone certainly has some impactful bass, but there isn't nearly as much quantity on them as there is with the DN-1000's.  I probably need to listen to them more to see if I get used to them again.  Regardless, I think I may be sold on the Titan's for their balanced, natural presentation and wonderful soundstage.  Thanks Brooko for taking the time to do this comparison!  It is much appreciated!
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 9:12 AM Post #234 of 3,012
   
I'll keep this one short - again using the X5.  On the binaural track I just tested, the Havi is closer, not by a huge margin though. On Loreena McKennit's Dante's Prayer the Titan has more width and depth also (more of a sense of width though). The Titans are more natural tonally as well.  Havis present vocals quite nicely though. 
 
 
The R3 vocals are definitely more intimate, and they are more energetic. The Titan is more laid back and the vocals have a little distance comparatively.  They are very slightly V shaped, but it's not cavernous and the mid-range is not heavily recessed.  I still love them for vocals.  Great for background listening. I'd recommend grabbing the Titans as they'll provide a great contrast to the R3. Then if you want something more vocal/mid-range focussed,and don't want to break the bank - you could always just pick up a Brainwavz M1 sometime down the track.

 
Thanks for the comparison!
 
I just went from being in the *browsing - oh this is interesting stage* to full on research. Going to have to decide between the Titans, GR07 and Hifiman RE 400/600... If only the R3 cable wasn't such a bitch.
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 10:00 AM Post #236 of 3,012
Thanks for the comparison!

I just went from being in the *browsing - oh this is interesting stage* to full on research. Going to have to decide between the Titans, GR07 and Hifiman RE 400/600... If only the R3 cable wasn't such a bitch.


The R3 cable is now perfectly made,and currently being called ver2, if you are talkin about the loop/over the ear portion......and re400 cable bq are not that good,especially the 3.5mm jack end is the weakest, needs more babying......but the waterline's hobbit bi-flanges are excellent to fit many iems of similar sized nozzle for better fit and isolation......but all these are wonderful iems....
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 10:25 AM Post #237 of 3,012
The R3 cable is now perfectly made,and currently being called ver2, if you are talkin about the loop/over the ear portion......and re400 cable bq are not that good,especially the 3.5mm jack end is the weakest, needs more babying......but the waterline's hobbit bi-flanges are excellent to fit many iems of similar sized nozzle for better fit and isolation......but all these are wonderful iems....

 
I have the ver2. It stays in my ear quite well with the bi flange tips, but moves around every once in a while.. after all, the housing isn't terrible but still quite clumsy. I am actually referring to the ridiculously thick and heavy grey cable that keeps kinking and turning.
 
I am looking for a nice dynamic driver IEM similar to the R3 that is more comfortable with a balanced/warm signature that is non fatiguing. I am afraid the Titan might be too sharp for me.
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 11:08 AM Post #238 of 3,012
I have the ver2. It stays in my ear quite well with the bi flange tips, but moves around every once in a while.. after all, the housing isn'tterrible but still quite clumsy. I am actually referring to the ridiculously thick and heavy grey cable that keeps kinking and turning.

I am looking for a nice dynamic driver IEM similar to the R3 that is more comfortable with a balanced/warm signature that is non fatiguing. I am afraid the Titan might be too sharp for me.
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Oh ok.....re400's comfort fitis dueto its smaller size alum shells,strong mids and smoother highs are its big strength......but titan's hi's cld be of controllable thru foamies and tip rolling,I might think so, but not sure upto what extent tho.....I dont own titan 1, so gurus might shed some light.......
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 4:31 PM Post #239 of 3,012
   
One reason that I always mention the JVC eartips whenever I mention DN-1000 is because the difference over the stock tips is SIGNIFICANT.
It's peaky and strident because of the comply foam tips.  I can confidently say, you haven't heard DN-1000 real potential without the JVC EP-FX eartips.
 
But I'm not gonna convince you with words. Hearing is believing. I have one extra pair or the JVC EP-FX, pm me your address and let me know your eartip size, I will mail one pair to you. 
Please take note, as mentioned in my review, that the JVC EP-FX eartips is 1 mm larger than the regular eartips size:
Large Size: JVC EP-FX8L-B (14 mm diameter)
Medium Size: JVC EP-FX8M-B (12 mm diameter)
Small Size: JVC EP-FX8S-B (10 mm diameter) 

 
Many thanks.  Will shoot you a PM - but will cover any costs via paypal if that's OK.
 
Jan 28, 2015 at 8:03 PM Post #240 of 3,012
  Got a question for earphonia and H20Fidelity,
 
Can you gents comapare the Titan 1 against the HA-FX850 and the CKR10?
 
Regards,
Eric

 
I can only do by memory recollection. The JVC HA-FX850 was a loan from my brother, so I don't have them.  The CKR10 was a loan from Audio-Technica, so I don't have it either.
 
From memory, HA-FX850 sounds warmer and bassier. Titan 1 has good realistic bass level, probably comparable or a tad below FX850, but sounds dryer. Especially in the mids, Titan 1 even the mids is full bodied, but it is dryer in comparison to FX850. Some people might prefer the warm mids of FX850, and to me, FX850 mids conveys the emotion from the music, better than Titan 1. Treble wise, Titan 1 is much more sparkling than FX850, and in comparison, FX850 might sounds a bit dull.
 
CKR10, I don't have much memory for it, what I can remember, CKR10 tonality is smoother and more linear than Titan 1.  Titan 1 has a moderate treble peak, sometime heard as sibilant on some recording.
 
 
   
Many thanks.  Will shoot you a PM - but will cover any costs via paypal if that's OK.

 
No worry, my treat 
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JVC eartips itself to me is a discovery, so glad to share it with you.
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