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Jul 14, 2015 at 2:44 PM Post #6,424 of 14,755
steven r. rochli said:
  It can output DSD if you use the Sony digital out cable to the iFi Audio Micro iDSD. Of course you need to use a non-stock Android app on the ZX2. Worked for me with the Onkyo HF Player (unlocked).
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Does the ZX2 run a different UI than the ZX1?
 
Jul 14, 2015 at 3:11 PM Post #6,425 of 14,755
Jul 14, 2015 at 3:38 PM Post #6,426 of 14,755
steven r. rochli said:
  It can output DSD if you use the Sony digital out cable to the iFi Audio Micro iDSD. Of course you need to use a non-stock Android app on the ZX2. Worked for me with the Onkyo HF Player (unlocked).
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kms108 said:
  same
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I've got Onkyo HF (unlocked) on a ZX1, and it appears to be down- sampling my DSD (only have 1 album loaded), 96, and 88 music to 44.1, not to mention not doing the upsampling feature on lower res music. Using the digital out to Chord Hugo, and basing the above remarks on the Hugo's res light indicator.  I was curious if  ZX2 users had a similar problem?  Haven't figured this out yet.
 
Jul 14, 2015 at 4:25 PM Post #6,427 of 14,755
steven r. rochli said:
  It can output DSD if you use the Sony digital out cable to the iFi Audio Micro iDSD. Of course you need to use a non-stock Android app on the ZX2. Worked for me with the Onkyo HF Player (unlocked).
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Steven,
 
I think you are wrong with this?  I can not get DSD outputted, i think i remember reading an interview saying it can not be done from a hardware stand-point so a software won't beable to fix this from how i understand.
 
Jul 14, 2015 at 4:44 PM Post #6,428 of 14,755
djricekcn said:
  Steven,
 
I think you are wrong with this?  I can not get DSD outputted, i think i remember reading an interview saying it can not be done from a hardware stand-point so a software won't beable to fix this from how i understand.
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I think the Sony engineer made it quite clear, that DSD is very expensive in regards of battery usage and that is why it was not implemented by Sony. If Steve is able to bypass Sony's decision, it might work, but for a portable device it probably makes not too much sense. YMMV!
 
Jul 14, 2015 at 6:54 PM Post #6,429 of 14,755
sonyvores said:
Can't say much but what I can say is that ZX100 won't be new flagship.
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so this means the zx2 is the flagship for the coming few months 
 
Jul 14, 2015 at 10:10 PM Post #6,432 of 14,755
animalsrush said:
Sorry I should have been explicit. I am assuming you are asking how subtle can be significant as well and not being sarcastic. I tested with a 16/44 flac song burnt from my own cd collection using xld. The song is Indian classical with 2 inviduals singing in different octaves with background chorus and six instruments. With TRS there is good separation of instruments, vocals and chorus but the vocals seem to be bit congested around the center. The instruments have separation but seem to stick close to vocals (not sure how to explain this). With TRRS the chorus seems to move out wide and vocals have space around them so they feel less congested. The biggest difference is instrument separation which seems to have clear left and right placing but blend well with vocals..so unless you are listening to this in a quiet environment you will not feel this. But it is significant enough to make music even more enjoyable once you heard it this way.but change is so subtle you would have to look for it when listening casually.. Hence the subtle but significant comment..

Pc
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Jul 14, 2015 at 10:58 PM Post #6,433 of 14,755
steven r. rochli said:
  It can output DSD if you use the Sony digital out cable to the iFi Audio Micro iDSD. Of course you need to use a non-stock Android app on the ZX2. Worked for me with the Onkyo HF Player (unlocked).
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musicdragoon said:
Japan forum confirmed ZX2 cannot output DOP DSD using paid upgraded Onkyo HF player.
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The Devil is in the detail. There's a difference between the two:
 
It can output DSD if you use the Sony digital out cable to the iFi Audio Micro iDSD. (Non-native DSD via PCM conversion)
 
It can output native DSD if you use the Sony digital out cable to the iFi Audio Micro iDSD. (DoP without PCM conversion whatsoever)
 
 
According to the manual here
 
http://www.wodaudio.de/Downloads/Micro-iDSD-Manual.pdf
 
If the color of the LED were Yellow, then it's non-native DSD via PCM conversion.
 
If the color of the LED were Cyan, then it's native DSD without PCM conversion since DoP is working just fine.
 
Jul 14, 2015 at 11:22 PM Post #6,434 of 14,755
fiascogarcia said:
  I've got Onkyo HF (unlocked) on a ZX1, and it appears to be down- sampling my DSD (only have 1 album loaded), 96, and 88 music to 44.1, not to mention not doing the upsampling feature on lower res music. Using the digital out to Chord Hugo, and basing the above remarks on the Hugo's res light indicator.  I was curious if  ZX2 users had a similar problem?  Haven't figured this out yet.
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I posted something on page 426
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/742609/sony-nw-zx2-hi-end-dap/6375#post_11756373
 
 
It really does work for rooted ZX1 with firmware version 1.00 as shown below, but there's no way to root ZX2 at all since Sony implemented security fixes to prevent that from happening
 
http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-11223799-1-1.html
 
XiDLgz4.jpg
 
 
Jul 15, 2015 at 12:16 AM Post #6,435 of 14,755
seeteeyou said:
   
I posted something on page 426
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/742609/sony-nw-zx2-hi-end-dap/6375#post_11756373
 
 
It really does work for rooted ZX1 with firmware version 1.00 as shown below, but there's no way to root ZX2 at all since Sony implemented security fixes to prevent that from happening
 
http://bbs.imp3.net/thread-11223799-1-1.html
 
 
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Awesome!  Thanks for the links!
 
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