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Nov 21, 2014 at 3:12 PM Post #451 of 718
bigshot said:
  I still find it amazing that people think it's worth testing two plugs with three wires connecting them together. It just shows how entrenched the false belief system is in audiophile circles. The teardown photo makes it  blatantly obvious that this placebo machine doesn't do a thing to the sound, golden ears or not. Do people know that little about how the equipment they buy works?
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+1  Really amazing. 
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 3:14 PM Post #452 of 718
bigshot said:
I still find it amazing that people think it's worth testing two plugs with three wires connecting them together. It just shows how entrenched the false belief system is in audiophile circles. The teardown photo makes it  blatantly obvious that this placebo machine doesn't do a thing to the sound, golden ears or not. Do people know that little about how the equipment they buy works?
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True. However, testing it might be helpful to people on the fence about the product. Plenty of people have bought the HOT and other magic products from the Syn Res company, and those who are "satisfied customers", due to placebo effects (and/or expectation bias and/or cognitive dissonance and/or appeal to authority), influence others. Syn Res depends on this for sales. Some potential customers want to put faith in companies that claim to be experts. If there are good blind tests that show no audible effect, it would help some folks to not throw away their money.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 3:29 PM Post #453 of 718
mel famie said:
I'll have electrical measurements shortly to confirm that (or refute it, as if).
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Just so people won't get confused and think they're waiting on you to do the measurements, I haven't received the second unit yet. So measurements won't happen until I do and send it on to you. Then they can start breathing down your neck. :D

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Nov 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM Post #454 of 718
bigshot said:
I still find it amazing that people think it's worth testing two plugs with three wires connecting them together. It just shows how entrenched the false belief system is in audiophile circles. The teardown photo makes it  blatantly obvious that this placebo machine doesn't do a thing to the sound, golden ears or not. Do people know that little about how the equipment they buy works?
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I'm a newbie audiophile and don't understand the tear down pics in as much I've never looked under the hood of my car. I'm not kidding, but even if I did I wouldn't understand what but did what. Not that such comparison gives any validity to the HOT.

I'm just saying that Tyll Hertsens review of HOT would be interesting and more accessible perhaps rather than a lot of technical terms.

I'm not saying dumb down but maybe a laymans terms would be good too as this thread though great is a little daunting, at least to me anyway, sorry, please don't come down hard on what I convey as I mean it in the best possible way :)
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 3:58 PM Post #456 of 718
silentfrequency said:
Firstly, I've been following this thread as a owner of Sennheiser HD800 headphones which incidentally are fab and apparently the HOT was "voiced" with them, so quirky twist I guess.

But, this is just a suggestion, but why not see if Tyll Hertsens would ear test the HOT?

I've watched video of Tyll blind testing AKG headphones, switching between burnt/unburnt in same model headphones before and he totally got everyone correct.

Just a suggestion, but thanks to everyone whom has contributed to this very interesting topic so far!
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and nothing disturbs you when you see that it was "voiced" for the hd800 and the lcd3? do you find anything that could actually link those 2 headphones except that they both are named in the propaganda to give an obvious sense of "greatness by association"? go look at the specs of a hd800 and a lcd3 and tell me how on earth something could be "voiced"(whatever that means) for both of them at the same time. oh but I know it's probably all the advanced tech inside the plug that recognizes the headphone and adapts to it by "syntonization"...
 
wake up people!!!!
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 5:15 PM Post #457 of 718
castleofargh said:
and nothing disturbs you when you see that it was "voiced" for the hd800 and the lcd3? do you find anything that could actually link those 2 headphones except that they both are named in the propaganda to give an obvious sense of "greatness by association"? go look at the specs of a hd800 and a lcd3 and tell me how on earth something could be "voiced"(whatever that means) for both of them at the same time. oh but I know it's probably all the advanced tech inside the plug that recognizes the headphone and adapts to it by "syntonization"...

wake up people!!!!
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I own the HD800 only, my father bought it for me, then an amplifier later when I realised they wouldn't work properly without so that is where my point of audiophile entry began, so this world is new to me but not disturbing.

As a new audiophile I'm sorry not to get many of the comments made here hence my suggestion for maybe Tyll Hertsens do a ear test of this HOT device as he may deliver a more accessible synopsis than here (no disrespect inferred whatsoever to this thread).

I'm actually just making a suggestion:)
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 5:34 PM Post #458 of 718
billheiser said:
True. However, testing it might be helpful to people on the fence about the product.
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What help will a test that says it does nothing be if a person is still on the fence after seeing a picture proving it does nothing? What is there to be on the fence about? Anyone who is seriously considering buying this had better realize that they are distinctly unqualified to make an informed decision on the purchase of any audio equipment.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM Post #459 of 718
silentfrequency said:
I'm a newbie audiophile and don't understand the tear down pics in as much I've never looked under the hood of my car. I'm not kidding, but even if I did I wouldn't understand what but did what. Not that such comparison gives any validity to the HOT.
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The picture shows that there is NOTHING in the signal path from the jack going in to the jack going out. No electronics at all. It's basically a straight wire running through a plastic tube.
 
It is very important in life to make informed decisions about things. Don't depend on what a salesman tells you. Do research and understand the basics of how things work. Then you can make a decision. If you depend on what "experts" tell you without doing the legwork to verify that they really know what they are talking about and are presenting their info honestly, you will be taken advantage of BIG TIME. Not just in audiophile circles but in everyday life.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 5:40 PM Post #460 of 718
Well why then should anyone make test/reviews unless the prospective user knows how the thing works?

I *bought my hd800's after checking many owners reviews and hearing them myself but trust reviewers like Tyll Hertsens and he puts no caveat that viewers need to know the mechanics of his subjects of review.

I really don't see the problem in suggesting a trusted and well respected reviewer make review of the HOT device either way?

Edit: *actually my father bought them for me initially after he checked reviews firstly but I found out they needed an amplifier for them to work, but I could have returned them if I didn't like them but luckily I did, but you get the picture I hope :)
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 5:45 PM Post #461 of 718
bigshot said:
The picture shows that there is NOTHING in the signal path from the jack going in to the jack going out. No electronics at all. It's basically a straight wire running through a plastic tube.

It is very important in life to make informed decisions about things. Don't depend on what a salesman tells you. Do research and understand the basics of how things work. Then you can make a decision. If you depend on what "experts" tell you without doing the legwork to verify that they really know what they are talking about and are presenting their info honestly, you will be taken advantage of BIG TIME. Not just in audiophile circles but in everyday life.
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I do appreciate your opinion and do agree with the latter part of your comment.

Just to clarify, I'm simply making suggestion from my stand point as a newcomer to the audiophile world and certainly am taking in points made by yourself and other more technically astute members.

It is a steep learning curve but hope my comments aren't dismissed regardless.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 5:49 PM Post #462 of 718
There are well respected reviewers who have done totally bogus reviews before. Here is an example of a well known audiophile site giving a positive review to a $100 jar of rocks. They suggest that if you put a jar of special rocks next to your stereo, you will get better sound.
 
http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/edge3/edge3.html
 
I'm not suggesting that Tyll isn't honest or knowledgeable. I'm saying that you can't tell a good reviewer from one that is spewing bologna without having a frame of reference and understanding yourself. No one looks out for you better than you. Don't rely on anyone else to take care of you. You will end up burned.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 5:58 PM Post #463 of 718
silentfrequency said:
I'm a newbie audiophile and don't understand the tear down pics in as much I've never looked under the hood of my car. I'm not kidding, but even if I did I wouldn't understand what but did what. Not that such comparison gives any validity to the HOT.

I'm just saying that Tyll Hertsens review of HOT would be interesting and more accessible perhaps rather than a lot of technical terms.

I'm not saying dumb down but maybe a laymans terms would be good too as this thread though great is a little daunting, at least to me anyway, sorry, please don't come down hard on what I convey as I mean it in the best possible way
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Agree, a review by Tyll or someone of his level of integrity would be helpful.  He knows his technical stuff, but writes and communicates well to people at any level of technical interest, with the goal of enjoying well-played music.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 6:01 PM Post #464 of 718
bigshot said:
There are well respected reviewers who have done totally bogus reviews before. Here is an example of a well known audiophile site giving a positive review to a $100 jar of rocks. They suggest that if you put a jar of special rocks next to your stereo, you will get better sound.

http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/edge3/edge3.html

I'm not suggesting that Tyll isn't honest or knowledgeable. I'm saying that you can't tell a good reviewer from one that is spewing bologna without having a frame of reference and understanding yourself. No one looks out for you better than you. Don't rely on anyone else to take care of you. You will end up burned.
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Oh yes I understand, that is kind advice, so thank you :)
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM Post #465 of 718
I've seen engineers that always have a smile on their face claim that different cables and amplifiers make an audible difference with their 3D-printed headphones. Always the more expensive versions seem to make the best improvements in sound, even if they don't measure differently from a perspective of human hearing ability.
 
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