Lcd's and unlistenable cd's
Oct 16, 2014 at 3:35 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 34
annar

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Well thought I would just ask as am a bit  irritated at present, have a new pr of LCD 2.2 with fazor and am really impressed but, over 1/2 of my music is unlistenable    as recorded with obvious dynamic range issues.
Is the only way now for assessing the suitability of a Cd is to refer to the Dynamic range database??
Your thoughts please guys.
Anna
 
Oct 16, 2014 at 11:47 AM Post #4 of 34
I will be very much interested in this issue if true as I am about to pull the plug on LCD 3.
Also a quick question.These CDs you talk about are burnt by you or just regular CD bought in market.Can you give an example if CD not playing well? Album and Artist name?
 
Oct 16, 2014 at 1:05 PM Post #5 of 34
Well...the whole ECM catalogue aswell as ACT, Enja, Alia Vox....and thousands of other CD's do sound fantastic. On the LCD (x) aswell as on other cans...
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Oct 17, 2014 at 3:47 AM Post #6 of 34
rohitharsh said:
I will be very much interested in this issue if true as I am about to pull the plug on LCD 3.
Also a quick question.These CDs you talk about are burnt by you or just regular CD bought in market.Can you give an example if CD not playing well? Album and Artist name?
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CDs are commercially produced and purchased from  a well known internet supplier in USA, I am a great fan of Pop and dance genre, 
Cds of lets say, Pink Floyd, Enigma, Kate Bush ,Mike Oldfield are fine, BUT, Lady Gaga, Rihanna are good on speakers but on LCD's almost intolerable, Madonna is just passable , now, it seems that if it is in the range of 10 plus on the scale it's ok , but Gaga etc are on 05   etc , this is scale used by Dynamic range database which covers 68 1/2 thousand albums and yes I know what goes on re loudness but is this a situation that everyone encounters?
Thanks Anna
 
Oct 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM Post #7 of 34
annar said:
 BUT, Lady Gaga, Rihanna are good on speakers but on LCD's almost intolerable, Madonna is just passable(...)but is this a situation that everyone encounters? Thanks Anna
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Yes. Most contemporary pop is mastererd VERY badly...watch this video where Eric Labson, mastering Guru at Universal Studios, talks...Basically he admits he sometimes HAS TO master VERY BADLY due to the demands of his clients... :frowning2: ...pay attention to his mimic and body language :wink:
 
http://vimeo.com/97982444
 
Oct 18, 2014 at 3:25 AM Post #8 of 34
Thanks, was aware of the loudness syndrome affecting the pop industry, well my next query is-----is there a high end headphone that can handle these without causing disaffection ?
 
Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM Post #9 of 34
Per se: No. Any good headphone will reveal any bad work on the production side.
 
Practically: You could try to re-master those bad recordings 'on the fly' with an eq (in most cases: dial down the high frequencies). But that requires 'some' (well: a lot of) musical AND technical knowledge. Which takes time...
 
Chances are high that you won't listen to those bad recordings anyway anymore when you've mastered 'personal re-mastering'...It just isn't fun for any trained listener to listen to crappy recordings. Life's too short for mediocre art.
 
Oct 25, 2014 at 5:08 PM Post #10 of 34
whertz said:
   
Yes. Most contemporary pop is mastererd VERY badly...watch this video where Eric Labson, mastering Guru at Universal Studios, talks...Basically he admits he sometimes HAS TO master VERY BADLY due to the demands of his clients... :frowning2: ...pay attention to his mimic and body language :wink:
 
http://vimeo.com/97982444
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Many thank's for your answering, you were really helpful.
Alas , my taste in music is not something one can alter to suit audio equipment issues,85% of my music is Pop/Dance , hence apart from Pink Floyd, Enigma 1 & 2, ( 3 was atrocious) and Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks, am left with a very expensive set of headgear that does not work with all of my others.
Am  not all that impressed, 
Regards Anna
 
Oct 25, 2014 at 5:16 PM Post #11 of 34
Anna you don't mention what you have up ahead of the LCD2 - DAC and amp. Many consider the LCD2 'forgiving' (though the 2F may be less so, IDK).

Thus, while you are quite right to identify a problem with most of your material (good ears btw) - and WHertz is quite right about the issue - there's a small chance your other gear is making it worse.

Treat this suggestion with due scepticism however! I don't mean to recommend an expensive upgrade journey that may not end happily!!
 
Oct 25, 2014 at 5:25 PM Post #12 of 34
Agree with AiDee. I'd look at the rest of your rig - perhaps you have too much of a bottleneck. I still find enjoyment out of compressed to hell metal, etc.
I guess you could just be overly sensitive. I'd recommend you only listen to Krauss in that case. 
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Oct 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM Post #13 of 34
argo duck said:
Anna you don't mention what you have up ahead of the LCD2 - DAC and amp. Many consider the LCD2 'forgiving' (though the 2F may be less so, IDK).

Thus, while you are quite right to identify a problem with most of your material (good ears btw) - and WHertz is quite right about the issue - there's a small chance your other gear is making it worse.

Treat this suggestion with due scepticism however! I don't mean to recommend an expensive upgrade journey that may not end happily!!
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Thank's Guys,
The rest of my gear is---
Yamaha AS2000 amp
Yamaha CDS2000 Cd
B&W 685 Speakers, 
No problem with speakers, can turn up to really loud.
Anna
 
Oct 25, 2014 at 5:52 PM Post #14 of 34
You should try driving the LCD's out of the speaker taps.
 
Oct 25, 2014 at 6:51 PM Post #15 of 34
^ +1.

I do this with my LCD2r1 and 3F with excellent result (admittedly with tube amps; meaning tube-rollable to get the sound I want).
 
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