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Kennerton ODIN, MAGISTER, VALI, Magni, Gjallarhorn, Rögnir, Thridi, Wodan, Thekk, and Thror Discussion.
Feb 2, 2016 at 6:27 AM Post #361 of 10,023
grizzlybeast said:
ppl say its not much better in technicalities than the he560. I would have to hear it first.

People are also reporting the Odin to be hazy in the midrange with good bass.

I wonder if the HD800S can be eq'd to have good bass.
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Other people, with a better amp? (Viva Egoista 845) haven't exactly the same appreciation than what you report.

K. Odin Vs LCD-X Vs Abyss (with a Viva Egoista 845 amp) by Fréderic: http://www.head-fi.org/t/732814/new...les-amps-from-fischer-at-ifa/90#post_11802452

Frederic said (quote):

" My assessment begins with the LCDX then I pass rapidly over Odin, phew ... the differences are really important!
My first comment relates to the space occupied by the two headphones, on the LCDX the listener is in second row with Odin we are more fourth row.
The second point, the voice of Benjamin Clementine on Odin is a dazzling clarity, surgical precision without ever going into the game in a sterile high resolution, it is still damn right.
The headphone is not here in a technical demonstration, it only restores all the information it receives, and this is clearly listened, the headphone goes down low, with an impressive impact. On this point the LCDX appears bloated, but also untidy ; on the top of the spectrum the LCDX still is not at the party ; Odin goes higher, with a electrostatic accents.
Finally: Odin descends lower, go up higher, has more resolutions, transients are faster ; short, Audeze is literally overwhelmed by the new arrival!

For the rest, things get complicated. For our champion, for example, the mid-range of Odin is simply more resolving than the Abyss, to the point that I do not know that of a single magnetic Planar proposing such a resolution! For cons, I read some reports account that speaks of a blur of the Abyss compared to Odin. I totally disagree with this comment.
Certainly Odin has more resolution, more isolated things, but Abyss also features a high resolution, and it is certainly no blur, even in the face of Odin.
I close with the top of the spectrum; Odin again scores points, more air, more clear ; short, it puts in trouble once again the Abyss.
In conclusion, Winston Churchill's boy Benjamin Clementine, also of great artistic quality of course but also due to the actual recording, Abyss is abused, as there never was (except probably the SR 009, and yet). The voice is well emphasized, it is perfectly to prefer Odin.
Personally I choose yet the Abyss for his great image and consistency, but it does not play much more. "
 
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Feb 2, 2016 at 10:33 AM Post #362 of 10,023
Yeah and those ppl only heard it at meet conditions too so I can't trust them.

I have to wait until April now to order. I will try a couple of other hps while I wait and possibly give it a try. If I don't like it in the end I can sell it to the eager European.
 
Feb 2, 2016 at 10:42 AM Post #363 of 10,023
grizzlybeast said:
As far as technical performance, you'd say they are on par with each other? Trading off merits in bass and treble?

Which has the faster decay and better instrument separation?
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Sorry for late reply. Because of this post I'd been comparing these two headphones in the past few days. And here are my 'raw notes' that I took while listening to maybe 30-40 tracks, from classical, vocalist to rock and metal.
 
Dharma:
  1. Neutral-ish. Maybe a little bright. Upper-mid does stands out a bit for my liking. Not so much though.
  2. Sparkly treble. Piercing some times. A little bit fatigue for long listening.
  3. Better tonality.
  4. Noticeably less sub-bass, with more mid-bass emphasized (to its own sub-bass).
  5. Soundstage has similar width. Not as deep.
  6. More airy.
  7. Sound more like a recording.
  8. Singer standing out closer.
  9. Small bass rumbling. Can feel low frequency. 
  10. Better instrument separation.
  11. Better micro-details? (micro-contrast)
  12. Overall cleaner sound.
  13. Picking up micro movement of strings a little better.
  14. More articulate, especially for string instruments.
  15. More analytic: You listen to ‘parts’ of the music. The instruments, the vocal, this & that.
  16. “Many instruments”, as oppose to “single orchestra”
  17. A “HD800 with Musicality & Mid-bass”?
 
Odin:
  1. Smoother treble.
  2. Fuller mid (bigger body).
  3. Feel more 'natural' (not neutral, two different things)
  4. Better dynamics. Greater dynamic range.
  5. Handle music with drastic changes in frequency better.
  6. Punchy bass. Good slam. Moderately fast decay.
  7. Good low-end rumbling. Great atmospheric sound.
  8. Soundstage has more depth. Lower ceiling though.
  9. Sound more like a concert. 
  10. Singer more in the band.
  11. Better overall contrast.
  12. Bigger instruments?
  13. Better soundstage dimensionality & imaging.
  14. Smoother mixing between instruments while maintaining good level of instrument separation.
  15. Really addictive. Lost in music listening.
  16. More immersive: You listen to ‘whole’ of the music.
  17. “Single orchestra”, as oppose to “many instruments” (Part of being 'in a concert' mentioned above)
  18. A “Fuller & Weightier K812”
 
Please note that this is not a full review of either headphone, but just each of them comparing to another. So all points above should be take with 'relative to' context.
 
Also, a minor note is the last line of each. I personally feel (very very subjective opinion) that "if you take HD800, add a little bit of low-end, make it more musical (as oppose to being very analytical) ... then you get a Dharma". On the other hand, "if you take an AKG K812, give it a fuller and maybe deeper bass, a little fuller mid, smooth-out treble ... you get the Odin".
 
For music enjoyment, I personally preferred the Odin to the Dharma. But I can also easily see people preferring one over another. Both are great headphones.
 
Odin is a little too expensive for its sound alone though (better if taking craftsmanship into account). While the Dharma is really a bargain.
 
Just my personal feeling and opinion anyway. YMMV, a lot. (By the way, I also personally prefer K812 to HD800).
 
Feb 3, 2016 at 2:09 AM Post #366 of 10,023
ithilienrp said:
 
 "if you take an AKG K812, give it a lower and fuller bass, a little fuller mid, smooth-out treble ... you get the Odin".
 
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Great way to describe Odin's signature in a couple of words! One note - are you sure, that Odin have "lower bass", than 812? 
 
Feb 3, 2016 at 2:27 AM Post #367 of 10,023
levap said:
  Great way to describe Odin's signature in a couple of words! One note - are you sure, that Odin have "lower bass", than 812? 
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As I said, it's my raw notes taken when comparing Odin and Dharma. So whatever I said about everything else was by memory. I could be very very wrong there. But that's how I feel when taking note. 
 
It might as well be because of the songs I chose when comparing Odin-Dharma have more of it to begins with.
 
Have to compare them against one another to make sure.
 
So in short: No for 'lower'. Quite sure about 'fuller'.

[Additional Note]: So I edited my note above (added 'maybe') until I compare them directly. Thanks :)
 
Feb 3, 2016 at 10:41 AM Post #371 of 10,023
I knew what you meant. I guess my only hang up is that I'm expecting an incisive and articulate performance at 2250 so I am hesitant. To me the Dharma bass is absolutely horrible. It has good tones on some recordings while others it sounds off where as my old lcd2 never sounds off just dark. Same with the Omni.

It may be the only headphone that's close to what I want though.
Dharma has good details, wierd imaging.

I may jump.... *sigh*
 
Feb 3, 2016 at 10:47 AM Post #372 of 10,023
grizzlybeast said:
I knew what you meant. I guess my only hang up is that I'm expecting an incisive and articulate performance at 2250 so I am hesitant. To me the Dharma bass is absolutely horrible. It has good tones on some recordings while others it sounds off where as my old lcd2 never sounds off just dark. Same with the Omni.

It may be the only headphone that's close to what I want though.
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Sadly, I don't have an LCD2 with me anymore, otherwise I could have done a simple comparison. It's definitely not as dark as LCD2 for sure though. Also, my Omni (ZMF, right?) still being produced (estimated shipping early Feb).
 
Feb 3, 2016 at 11:00 AM Post #373 of 10,023
ithilienrp said:
Sadly, I don't have an LCD2 with me anymore, otherwise I could have done a simple comparison. It's definitely not as dark as LCD2 for sure though. Also, my Omni (ZMF, right?) still being produced (estimated shipping early Feb).
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Ahhh if you get the Omni then that would make a good comparison..(though odin should win) . The other thing that concerned me was if they sound too similar Odin and Omni.

Wjat wood did you get.
 
Feb 3, 2016 at 11:57 AM Post #374 of 10,023
grizzlybeast said:
Ahhh if you get the Omni then that would make a good comparison..(though odin should win) . The other thing that concerned me was if they sound too similar Odin and Omni.

Wjat wood did you get.
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Actually, at first I was hestitate about Odin, knowing that I have an Omni ordered. But since my Omni is an limited (exotic wood - Purple Heart - to answer your other question) edition, I consider it more as a collector item. So maybe I could justified having both even though it ended up too similar to the Odin (which I don't think they will be that similar anyway, based on all the experiences I have with T50RP mods, including TH500RP -- but I could turn out to be very wrong).
 
Feb 3, 2016 at 2:58 PM Post #375 of 10,023
I'd be willing to bet the two aren't too similar. The omni is only semi open and while it does add a little air to the midrange and give a little more over the head soundstage, there's plenty over resonance that while it doesnnt negatively affect the sound its noticeable but what it purposely does is alter the timbre of the sound and gives it a very thick, dry and colorful profile.
 
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