ZMF x Vibro & ZMF Blackwood Discussion Thread.
Jan 6, 2015 at 6:03 PM Post #496 of 1,522
The vibro does nothing that makes me go "wow" but when I stop and just listen to the music it is very involving /immersive. Hard to believe its not an open hp at times . It's along way from being burned in but the love factor is creeping up on me. The depth of the soundstage is better than I've had. Also the versatility is incredible. It is slowly claiming tunes from my collection usually owned by other hps . Still prefer acoustic on the Qs and bigger bass music on FSCs .
 
Jan 8, 2015 at 1:14 PM Post #497 of 1,522
  I'd say that's pretty accurate. If you haven't put the order in yet, you might want to try finding a used Purity Audio KICAS. Very fast and clean, and it might give you more precision. The Caliente version (what I have) has deeper bass, but I guess both models are very similar. Looks like someone is selling, actually.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/749176/purity-audio-kicas-caliente-amplifier

Thanks for the suggestion Levaix, I will look into it.  Still haven't ordered my amp yet, waiting on some funds.
 
The sound signature of the Blackwood that I originally thought to be a bit dark or "veiled" has actually grown on me a lot (brain burn-in) and now sounds a lot more detailed and balanced than I had originally thought.  However, I still wanted to experiment with dampening material adjustment, just to see what the difference was like.  I took the earpads off, removed the dampening material entirely, put the pads back on, and listened to some songs I am very familiar with. 
 
As to be expected, the sound was a lot brighter, more sibilant, less smooth, and I had to use a lower volume than previously. Obviously, I was used to the stock sound with the dampening, so I tried out a fair number of songs to try to acclimate myself to it.  On some very well recorded stuff (like the 2010 45rpm re-issue of A Love Supreme), it wasn't so bad, in fact it might have been a slight improvement, with some details less buried in the mix. However, on the majority of stuff I played, especially modern or lower-fidelity recordings, the sibilance and harsh, aggressive sound did more harm than good.  Yes, the sound was clearer, the tonality was a bit more "full", and I can see how the more "in your face" presentation could be appealing in some cases, but the tradeoff wasn't worth it for most of my music. I debated leaving the dampening out for a few days or longer, to allow my ears/brain time to adjust as it had to the stock configuration, but I couldn't bring myself to do it.  The loss of sound enjoyment was too much!
 
I thought about experimenting with roughly 50% of the dampening material removed, but considering how it is arranged, I decided against it, as I feared not being able to get it back to the way it was originally. I ended up putting all of the material back in, and returned to the sound I've grown to love.  I guess it makes sense that Zach wouldn't put that material in there if he didn't think it was a good idea, and my ears agree.
 
This has been a learning experience for me.  I think I just had it ingrained in my mind that brightness = detail.  This test was an attempt for me to brighten up that sound to try to bring out additional detail.  The Blackwood has taught me that a dark sound can still deliver oodles of detail when called upon to do so.  Oftentimes, the detail it does roll off is recording or mastering flaws that I'd rather not hear anyways.  As I mentioned previously, my headphone experience is limited, so what might be "dark" to me might not be as much to others (I haven't tried headphones such as HD650, LCD-2, etc). 
 
Wow, this ended up being a lot longer than I had planned!  Sorry for the wall of text.  I still encourage anybody with the Blackwoods to do this experiment, because YMMV.  For example, Grizzly said he completely removed the dampening and it's working out well for him.  If nothing else, a peek inside will give you a better knowledge of the mods at play here.
 
Review / impressions coming soon!
 
Jan 9, 2015 at 8:10 PM Post #498 of 1,522
The vibro does nothing that makes me go "wow" but when I stop and just listen to the music it is very involving /immersive. Hard to believe its not an open hp at times .


Definitely! It leaves a little to be desired when I'm in the mood to rock out, but when I'm in a more relaxed mood it's great--I can "see" very deep into the music with it. One the first moments where I came to appreciate the Vibro happened listening to Aesop Rock. I had never noticed how much the drums sounded like... drums. Seriously, they were just flat abbreviations for drums before: I knew they were supposed to be drums but I was just hearing sounds that pointed to real drums.
 
Jan 10, 2015 at 1:05 PM Post #499 of 1,522
I've actually found great comfort in putting the pilot pad over the leather comfort strap.  Anybody else try this?
 
Edit:  Actually, while this was really comfy, it made me have to move the ear cups down too far which resulted in a poor earpad seal and therefore less bass.  I have a huge head though, so YMMV.
 
Jan 18, 2015 at 10:17 AM Post #501 of 1,522
 
 

 

 

To be honest this is probably one of my favorite ones I have seen, I like the black and light contrast. 

These are my pair. I got I believe one of the last walnut ones he had.
 
Jan 18, 2015 at 11:59 AM Post #502 of 1,522
  To be honest this is probably one of my favorite ones I have seen, I like the black and light contrast. 

These are my pair. I got I believe one of the last walnut ones he had.

I was going for walnut but now there's only cherry 
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Thanks ! 
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I wanted something like this : 

The left one but slighty lighter 
 

 

 
Jan 18, 2015 at 9:12 PM Post #503 of 1,522
I've had grizzly's pair of custom tuned vibro's for a bit over a week now and all I can say is WOW. These are by far the best headphones I've ever heard. Period. The closest thing I can think of in terms of sound quality is the shure 1540, and even then it is just unfair to compare, as the shure can't touch the vibro in any category.

The shure has monitor like mids that are thinner, but still quite detailed, and a thick bombastic bass that while high in quantity, can't touch the impact that these vibros have. While I have all bass ports open and the bass boost on my cayin c5 on, the bass is still so tight and controlled that I feel like I could eq it up to infinity without it bleeding into the mids. The shure in comparison, when eq'ed up 5 db at 60hz was a bit loose and sloppy, smearing over the lower mids a bit. I have taken the dampening off, and I feel that the highs extend even more, and a bit more air surrounds each cymbal or female voice. While it doesn't have the sparkle in the high end of the shure, it sounds more detailed, fast, and realistic. Timbre on these is spot on, the instruments just sound so real its unbelievable.
So in all, I am very happy I picked these up, as I feel that these are end game material for my music preferences, hip hop, soul, r&b, jazz, and they are superbly comfortable on top of the fantastic sound.

To anyone on the fence when it comes to buying these... Just do it. It'll be worth it. :)

Best Regards,
Jackson
 
Jan 22, 2015 at 11:59 AM Post #506 of 1,522
What does this mean, exactly? "Dual Mini XLR Cable Entry (wired for Audeze Cables)". Is the end you plug into the amp mini XLR as well?


The "dual mini" part refers to the cable plugging into both cups via mini XLR, and everything's wired to also be compatible with Audeze headphones. The other end you can get single ended or balanced, whatever you need.
 
Jan 22, 2015 at 4:22 PM Post #507 of 1,522
I don't understand why so many people resell this headphone. (Vibro). The only fault I find with them is the cup termination isn't angled so the braided cable catches on zippered jackets. Since is not a portable ...it's moot. I listen to my other hps less and less. . Very detailed and beautifully toned hp. Maybe when I feel it's ok to spend more on a he560 or k812 I'll see it's faults or deficiencies. For a closed hp it is amazing and it's still burning in
 
Jan 29, 2015 at 8:44 PM Post #508 of 1,522
I sent off my Blackwoods to Zach last week to have them checked out and a slight retune done (slight mid bass increase, ~+2dB), and just got them back today.  First of all, I want to echo what many have said before - Zach is a great guy to deal with.  Quick to reply to my emails, and he went above and beyond with his services.  Now as far as the sound of these headp
 
 
 
Oh snap, sorry I just tuned out for like 40 minutes while typing, thanks to these headphones!  Listening to Oneohtrix Point Never's R Plus Seven, another album which just really shines on these headphones.  But what I was saying was I love the s
 
 
 
OK, I was going to type some further impressions out, but I can't bring myself to right now.  The sound is too arresting! Be back in a few hours/days/weeks
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Feb 1, 2015 at 2:35 PM Post #509 of 1,522
Does anyone have experience with both the Blackwoods and the Alpha Primes? I'm wondering what the main differences are, tonally.
 
Feb 1, 2015 at 11:30 PM Post #510 of 1,522
How well does the Vibro block outside sound? If you are listening to quiet music can you hear outside noises? The two quotations below are, if not necessarily contradictory, a bit confusing: Maxx134 says the Vibro's isolation is "impressive", but grizzlybeast seems to suggest that the semi-open Fostex T50RP is a bit more isolating. That's odd, considering the T50RP is semi-open, and the Shure 1540 with Alcantara pads is not renowned for its isolation.
 
Also isolation is impressive. Cannot hear a thing from the outside if someone is wearing them.
 
  The t50rp is technically a semi open headphone. The small ports on the Vibro make it barely open and would be considered a fully closed headphone. However the t50rp with shure 1540 pads leak less than the Vibro but not by much. This is only from what I remember a while back when I had both together.



 

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