I've got a crazy ass deal on denon d5k. No one ever put up a paper test for them? I mean, people modded them cause the bass was out of control. The problem is that I don't wanna mod anything so if they really do have crap build quality and just break if you set the lows to the max, they're not an option. Need a first hand experience if you've got one Hawaiibb or from anyone. I'm thinking about it...
 
Well if I end up snatching them you'll see a video for sure.

dreamking said:

  I've got a crazy ass deal on denon d5k. No one ever put up a paper test for them? I mean, people modded them cause the bass was out of control. The problem is that I don't wanna mod anything so if they really do have crap build quality and just break if you set the lows to the max, they're not an option. Need a first hand experience if you've got one Hawaiibb or from anyone. I'm thinking about it...
 
Well if I end up snatching them you'll see a video for sure.

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I was thinking of getting a pair of d2k and pushing them to the limit too.  But can't seem to find a pair thats cheaps enough that if i push it to hard and they crap out on me i wont be as heart broken.
 
ps. if you don't want the deal for the d5k, pass it along.  i wouldn't mind a pair for "easy" listening 

dreamking said:

  I've got a crazy ass deal on denon d5k. No one ever put up a paper test for them? I mean, people modded them cause the bass was out of control. The problem is that I don't wanna mod anything so if they really do have crap build quality and just break if you set the lows to the max, they're not an option. Need a first hand experience if you've got one Hawaiibb or from anyone. I'm thinking about it...
 
Well if I end up snatching them you'll see a video for sure.

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Great cans. If they are NOT modded grab em if it's a crazy ass deal.
The mod includes dampening which is kryptonite for bassheads. Bass hits it and dies. It's an attempt to control acoustical reactions in the housing/cup...no no no....fix it with an eq NOT material that stops bass.
 
I thought they were great. Not the same bass slam but a better sq at low to average listening levels (D5k). If it's modded it's folks trying to get the response curve under control......stay away from that stuff unless you lost all your fingers in a horrible accident or hate eq's

hawaiibadboy said:

 
Great cans. If they are NOT modded grab em if it's a crazy ass deal.
The mod includes dampening which is kryptonite for bassheads. Bass hits it and dies. It's an attempt to control acoustical reactions in the housing/cup...no no no....fix it with an eq NOT material that stops bass.
 
I thought they were great. Not the same bass slam but a better sq at low to average listening levels (D5k). If it's modded it's folks trying to get the response curve under control......stay away from that stuff unless you lost all your fingers in a horrible accident or hate eq's

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Oh this is an interesting post. I am in the process of modding my Pro 900s currently and have a configuration that really increases the bass a ton by plugging different parts of the different S-logic ports. Should I not open them to dampen the inside of the cups at all? I don't get why it should affect bass coming out of the front end of the driver if all you are doing is stopping unwanted revirb which could interfere with the front flowing bass waves and cancel each other out. 
 
Can you expand on your point HBB? 

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  Oh this is an interesting post. I am in the process of modding my Pro 900s currently and have a configuration that really increases the bass a ton by plugging different parts of the different S-logic ports. Should I not open them to dampen the inside of the cups at all? I don't get why it should affect bass coming out of the front end of the driver if all you are doing is stopping unwanted revirb which could interfere with the front flowing bass waves and cancel each other out. 
 
Can you expand on your point HBB? 

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S logic ports are on the front around the driver right?
 
Folks greatly over estimate the human ear's ability and underestimate the other effects diminishing bass notes will do. Nobody will argue this increases bass just that it controls it which I do not believe. Dynamat has a type that it aluminum coated to keep the bass inside and send it back not kill it. I would play with venting and cotton/felt etc before I ever put dynamat in my cans. They are talking about using mat in the Z7.......an already neutered 70mm because of a metallic coating and now you wanna control it more?? Wow...what is the point in 70mm if your teaching it to be a 50?
 

 

 Echo and Reverberation
When a wave reaches the boundary, a portion of the wave undergoes reflection and a portion of the wave undergoes transmission across the boundary. Reflection of sound waves off of surfaces can lead to either an echo or a reverberation.The human brain keeps a sound in memory for up to 0.1 seconds. If a reflected sound wave reaches the ear within 0.1 seconds of the initial sound, then it seems that the sound is prolonged. The reception of multiple reflections within 0.1 seconds of each other causes reverberations. 

Reflection of sound waves also lead to echoes. Echoes are different than reverberations. Echoes occur when a reflected sound wave reaches the ear more than 0.1 seconds after the original sound wave was heard. In this case, the arrival of the second sound wave will be perceived as a second sound rather than the prolonging of the first sound. There will be an echo instead of a reverberation.

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This is where the 77's end...along with the Pro 900 and ANY other 40mm driver and most 50+ with plastic housing. Just before both the 57mm JVC and the 40mm titanium Ultrasone physically distort they start a resonance/echo chamber acoustic downfall...and then immediately begin distorting
 
<<<Your ear is here.
 Sound waves are longitudinal waves (Red line is your driver)

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I'd cut an aluminum piece like the one backing the Pandora VI. I think the sones best point will be killed with mat unless you wanna reduce bass. If it's echo you wanna control put it only at the points where the driver is secured to the rest of the cup.
Aluminum coated mat just in the rear... the same size as the driver in back, dyna wrapped around or put on the secure points. Bass should be more powerful and resonance caused by driver to housing shake reduced.
 
I.M not H .O.  

hawaiibadboy said:

 
S logic ports are on the front around the driver right?
 
Folks greatly over estimate the human ear's ability and underestimate the other effects diminishing bass notes will do. Nobody will argue this increases bass just that it controls it which I do not believe. Dynamat has a type that it aluminum coated to keep the bass inside and send it back not kill it. I would play with venting and cotton/felt etc before I ever put dynamat in my cans. They are talking about using mat in the Z7.......an already neutered 70mm because of a metallic coating and now you wanna control it more?? Wow...what is the point in 70mm if your teaching it to be a 50?
 
 
 
I'd cut an aluminum piece like the one backing the Pandora VI. I think the sones best point will be killed with mat unless you wanna reduce bass. If it's echo you wanna control put it only at the points where the driver is secured to the rest of the cup.
Aluminum coated mat just in the rear... the same size as the driver in back, dyna wrapped around or put on the secure points. Bass should be more powerful and resonance caused by driver to housing shake reduced.
 
I.M not H .O.  

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Wow this is really helpful. Great post. I'll keep this in mind when I am trying weird things to my cans. 
 
And yes, the S-logic ports are above and to the front of the driver. 3 ports to be specific. The best results I've had so far are using thick felt discs to plug 1.5-2.5 of the first two ports. This keeps the bass very tight and punchy, but also very noticeably increases impact. Strangely, if I plug all 3 ports completely, the bass takes a massive nose dive. 

goldenshk said:

  Wow this is really helpful. Great post. I'll keep this in mind when I am trying weird things to my cans. 
 
And yes, the S-logic ports are above and to the front of the driver. 3 ports to be specific. The best results I've had so far are using thick felt discs to plug 1.5-2.5 of the first two ports. This keeps the bass very tight and punchy, but also very noticeably increases impact. Strangely, if I plug all 3 ports completely, the bass takes a massive nose dive. 

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 Small diaphragms in my experience are very very sensitive to venting changes. I think square vents are poor as they cause uneven drawing in because the air in the corner accelerates faster than the middle. Round all the way
 
 
 
 
 
 

Meanwhile...

My peoples are arriving
 

 
 
Judging by PM's and YT the basshead community is seeing another superior way to the pre-tuned celeb endorsed cans.
They move slow but with singular bass purpose.
 
Happy days!!

Well lost the deal on the d5k. Was for sure gonna get them this friday if the guy that previously committed to buy them then disappeared didn't show sign of life. . probably also due to my big mouth lol. Welp, still on the hunt for new gear.

hawaiibadboy said:

 
Great cans. If they are NOT modded grab em if it's a crazy ass deal.
The mod includes dampening which is kryptonite for bassheads. Bass hits it and dies. It's an attempt to control acoustical reactions in the housing/cup...no no no....fix it with an eq NOT material that stops bass.
 
I thought they were great. Not the same bass slam but a better sq at low to average listening levels (D5k). If it's modded it's folks trying to get the response curve under control......stay away from that stuff unless you lost all your fingers in a horrible accident or hate eq's

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Pffff, Hit n Die is How I like my bass, bass decay sounds TERRIBLE to my ears, if I note should linger then it should be on pourpsoe
 
speaking of on Pourpose... I just rediscovered Skream on my HE 4 [an my standard +5 sub EQ]
 
holy schiiiiiiiiiiiit, my ear drums are freaking out... it's been a while since I've had this much bass 
 
but a perfect example of linger is this track
 

 
once the bass Drops it doesn't stop much. But I used to listen to this on my XB 700 which I got tired of, as the entire sound was full of decay, very little texture. I'm really liking this on my HE 4, as it's a textured bass, it fluctuates a lot. n my XB 700 just threw one big lump of bass at me. That's why I sold it and thats why my LA D5k is FULLY MODDED and Dampend MUHAHAHAHA
 
But seriously though, if you like Bass Decay, that's cool :3, if you DONT like it that should also be equally as cool. As I like super tight bass lines and cans thank ya
 
but yea... my LA D5k should b here in like well today or tommorow! When It arrives, I'll have 5 years of Skream to rediscover <3 an I might just die of bass Over Load [a good way to go no] 
 
Though I will mention that even a Dampend Wood Back Denon still isn't as tight as the HE 4 will b [which is good cuz just a little extra decay over the HE 4 is nice [hence is why I EQ my HE 4]) but with wood it's good to dampen it as the cups will shake a little, and that's no me gustah. With Metal houseing it may not be as nessicary either way, I'll find out how they sound in a day [or a few hours ] 
 
Wow, ok go ahead an Add Midnight Request to the list of [I never knew that was a layered bass line] big up to skream for mixng a 45 hrz wobble under a Straight 70hrz tone, that schiiit sounds DOPE espically with very little decay in my bass 

Just a note on the e12.  I currently use a pav pa2v2, it is great however not as good as my home set up.  In researching the ultimate portable rig HBB is getting fantastic results.  Sorry not sure how to link but saw this regarding the e12.
 
Well, "collectable" is determined by demand. It was also released in limited quantities in the US, I got super lucky to get a "OG" E12 from pre-market launch. You can tell if it's the first release because the silks teeming for the gain selector says "10 dB," even though internally the gain is a 17 dB boost. My opinion is it is the more desirable version since the bass boost is centered at 20 Hz, REALLY low bass. Both the current and first E12's have a 6 dB bass boost, but the first E12's boost the bass where most open headphones are pretty rolled off, so it is more of a bass "extender" and doesn't bleed at all into mids, very clean and atmospheric.
 
Do you have this one HBB?
 
the search continues....

nappiguan said:

  Just a note on the e12.  I currently use a pav pa2v2, it is great however not as good as my home set up.  In researching the ultimate portable rig HBB is getting fantastic results.  Sorry not sure how to link but saw this regarding the e12.
 
Well, "collectable" is determined by demand. It was also released in limited quantities in the US, I got super lucky to get a "OG" E12 from pre-market launch. You can tell if it's the first release because the silks teeming for the gain selector says "10 dB," even though internally the gain is a 17 dB boost. My opinion is it is the more desirable version since the bass boost is centered at 20 Hz, REALLY low bass. Both the current and first E12's have a 6 dB bass boost, but the first E12's boost the bass where most open headphones are pretty rolled off, so it is more of a bass "extender" and doesn't bleed at all into mids, very clean and atmospheric.
 
Do you have this one HBB?
 
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Yea I've heard about that bad boi, wish I could get a chance to hear/own one >.> 

nappiguan said:

  Just a note on the e12.  I currently use a pav pa2v2, it is great however not as good as my home set up.  In researching the ultimate portable rig HBB is getting fantastic results.  Sorry not sure how to link but saw this regarding the e12.
 
Well, "collectable" is determined by demand. It was also released in limited quantities in the US, I got super lucky to get a "OG" E12 from pre-market launch. You can tell if it's the first release because the silks teeming for the gain selector says "10 dB," even though internally the gain is a 17 dB boost. My opinion is it is the more desirable version since the bass boost is centered at 20 Hz, REALLY low bass. Both the current and first E12's have a 6 dB bass boost, but the first E12's boost the bass where most open headphones are pretty rolled off, so it is more of a bass "extender" and doesn't bleed at all into mids, very clean and atmospheric.
 
Do you have this one HBB?
 
the search continues....

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Yeah, I asked him he has the first batch, I got the current. But I spoke to a Fiio rep on here and he gave me the guide to mod the current batch to change the bass boost from the peak at 50hz to 20hz. A soldering iron and a Philips screwdriver  is needed, simple steps. I also asked if I could get my fiio exchanged with a pre-production unit and was told they don;t have any. Haven't done the mod just yet as I got used to this 50hz boost sound after eq modifications. I just lower the 100hz range by 4db peaking at 128 when I'm using it. With the current batch, the 20hz-30hz range still gets boosted by a game-changing amount. I'd get more rumble if I did the internal mod, gonna try it sometime soon. 

Guess what arrived today  
 

dreamking said:

  Yeah, I asked him he has the first batch, I got the current. But I spoke to a Fiio rep on here and he gave me the guide to mod the current batch to change the bass boost from the peak at 50hz to 20hz. A soldering iron and a Philips screwdriver  is needed, simple steps. I also asked if I could get my fiio exchanged with a pre-production unit and was told they don;t have any. Haven't done the mod just yet as I got used to this 50hz boost sound after eq modifications. I just lower the 100hz range by 4db peaking at 128 when I'm using it. With the current batch, the 20hz-30hz range still gets boosted by a game-changing amount. I'd get more rumble if I did the internal mod, gonna try it sometime soon. 

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I think I am going to order one then.  I was looking at the e12diy but the bass boost is removed.  The zo3 is interesting however it has been buggy.  Could you send me the instructions on the mod?  I have both sz's and love the surreal experience of wearing them out and about.

dreamking said:

  Yeah, I asked him he has the first batch, I got the current. But I spoke to a Fiio rep on here and he gave me the guide to mod the current batch to change the bass boost from the peak at 50hz to 20hz. A soldering iron and a Philips screwdriver  is needed, simple steps. I also asked if I could get my fiio exchanged with a pre-production unit and was told they don;t have any. Haven't done the mod just yet as I got used to this 50hz boost sound after eq modifications. I just lower the 100hz range by 4db peaking at 128 when I'm using it. With the current batch, the 20hz-30hz range still gets boosted by a game-changing amount. I'd get more rumble if I did the internal mod, gonna try it sometime soon. 

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LOL
 
McGyver much?
 
I love getting **** broke open. My solder iron is a indispensible tool....good on you!! Good graces....in the name of basses!!!