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Oct 28, 2015 at 3:30 AM Post #6,031 of 18,020
   
The best dac/amp I have is the Geek Out V2. It was so good that it was being compared to desktop units. Unfortunately the FiiO X7 flat out DEMOLISHES it in terms of pure DAC performance. I m listening to the new Adele single on spotify. The depth, atmosphere, timbre and soundstage is flawless. I still can't figure out how they make even Spotify sound so good?  What kind of black magic is this?
 
 

 
Well that is something. Damn you, i'm drooling now, and unfortunately it appears that my wallet is gonna be a lot lighter if what you say is true. Based on your comments, plus if the consensus comes in that the X7 equals or beats the L5 Pro and even edges out the Astell&Kern 120 mkII, six months of saving moolah is about to meet it's maker
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. Good bye money for a rainy day, nice knowing you
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. But yeah, that's one nice report. Demolishes the Geek Out V2, really?? Daaam! Can't wait. If the X7 turns out to be 'all that', then FiiO is swimming with big boys at last, and surely their next mid tier DAPs stand to benefit from this...
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Oct 28, 2015 at 6:41 AM Post #6,032 of 18,020
My first impressions. Will update this post on the other thread.
 
  Hello guys,
 
After a few days listening to the X7 with my SE5 Ultimate and Jays Q Jays, I will provide my first impressions. This same post will be updated with the rest of my review.
 
Overall Interaction with Fiio
As first words, I have never owned Fiio products, but I think it is a great brand, in terms of philosophy and attitude. How they involved the potential clients to create the X7 with the best positive price and features. The results are clearly in line with their objectives. Afterwards, the organisation of the tour, and the simplicity of communication with them during this tour make me want to give them money. Like really. I will certainly buy a X7 in the future even if I don't neep a DAP.
 
Box and accessories
This should be taken with a pinch of salt as it is a preproduction package, but I think if the X7 is to be positionned along high end DAPs, despite its price (which it should based on SQ and features), the package and accessories, which are fine, should have a more high end feel. The Jays Q Jays are a perfect exemple of this. Let me illustrate my example:
 
X7 box and accessories:
 

 
Jays box and accessories (paid 300$): 
 

 
This is no biggy, but first impressions are important, especially if you want to enter the high end segment.
 
 
Player design and build
The player is too me quite perfect in terms of size. Of course it is heavy, but if you want power and quality components, it is hard to ask for lightweight DAPs. I personnaly don't  care about weight anyways.
 
I am not a huge fan of the screen not being integrated into the main structure, but I guess there is a reason. Otherwise the build and finish are excellent, especially at this price. Not quite at AK level but still excellent. I think the metal could have a more beautiful finish, but it will apparently be the case on the final production version.
 
Overall ergonomics
As I said the size is good for me. I could tolerate a shorter player with a smaller screen, I don't think DAPs need big screens, but overall the feel in hand is good. I think the side buttons are a bit confusion in a sense that they are placed and sized completely symetrically, so I often mix up play and on/off, or volume and track skip. The forward screen feels a bit exposed, so a nice case would come in handy. I am sure Fiio has plans for this.
 
I think the presence of the line out on top can lead to accidents. I plugged my iems into the line out quite naturally without paying attention and hit play....boom...RIP my ears at 7:30 in the morning. Maybe the line out should be deactivated unless you put the player in line out mode.
 
UI and usage
The UI is android based, and contrarily to many new DAPs, quite stable. I never had any bugs or crashes. The startup is fast, there is no automatic scan unless you set it this way. When you scan for new files, it is very fast, maybe 30 seconds at most for a large SD card (didn't count, but it was not long for my 128g SD).
 
My review on this aspect will be brief, as I use my DAP to...listen to music. I do not stream as I find it complicated in China with the more than crappy internet connection so I will not bother trying sorry, many other reviewers are doing it already. As I read, the apps you can install are limited, but once again I need none appart from the music app.
 
The Fiio music app works perfectly. There are some niggles, for instance, the playlist menu is separated from the local music menu, and that seems weird. Otherwise, after a couple of days, navigation is easy. The only anoyance is that sometimes, upon pressing play, playback is not instant. This slight delay makes you question whether you pressed well.
 
Strictly all my tags and covers are recognized perfectly, but my files are SQUEAKY clean, as I went through 10 DAPs with different systems. I advise to use MP3 tag in any case and erase all non relevant tags polluting your files.
 
The option menu seems to have everything I need, including gapless, manual scan, etc.
 
All in all, not quite as good as the Sony ZX1 (my reference for UI), but really a good UI leaving iBasso and Hifiman biting the dust. More or less on par with AK in a different style.
 
Sound quality
These first impressions concern the SQ with my files (all redbook or highres FLAC) driving my SE5 Ultimate on the IEM amp module (the only one provided to reviewers). Keep in mind this CIEM benefits from power (sound better on the 901 with Minibox than with iem amp card), so it can be even better with other module amps.
 
I will not make this overly technical or complicated, as I am not able to. This player sounds like some the top DAPs I have had. The sound is full and smooth yet detailed, it is very spacious and 3D (that is a key standout). The soundstage is very wide and enveloping, quite deep. The bass has authority, not the best layering I have heard but still good, and remains well controlled. Mids are smooth yet with good clarity, and high are also well extended yet non aggressive. The overall tonality would be neutral/warm to me (only very slightly). I will confirm this when giving impressions with the Jays which are brighter.
 
Compared to the AK240SS, performance is comparable IMO. The X7 sounds more powerful and fuller, with a wider stage. The AK240SS has a more focused stage, thinner and brighter tonality, tighter and more detailed bass, but less airy soundstage. The AK240SS may sound more detailed, but it is more that the detailed are more forward than with the X7. Overall if you are a clarity and detail freak, maybe you will find the overall tonality a bit smoothed over with already smooth headphones such as the SE5. But you can be competly satisfied with brighter / sharper headphones.
 
In terms of pure emotion, the AK240SS is more analytical and less engaging to me, the X7 is quite engaging, but a bit laid back, so not pulling you in as much as the Lotoo Paw Gold, which is IMO the champion on this (but has a narrower and less airy stage, but more depth)
 
Well that's it for now, I will provide more impressions when testing on my Jays and Shure SE846, and comparing again if I have time with the AK240SS.
 

 
Oct 28, 2015 at 7:31 AM Post #6,033 of 18,020
Good first impressions. I see you like the UI of the ZX-1. Me too and it's a pity it has a weird line out that cripples its volume/power and battery life.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 8:58 AM Post #6,036 of 18,020
Last night I spent about 3 hours testing X7 (using Westone ES60 CIEM) and here is my initial impression.  Keep in mind, it will be a more critical analysis, rather than praises.  X7 deserves a lot of praises for sure, its a huge step up for FiiO, but with so many high expectations and considering I have access to a lot of other DAPs the initial reaction is more critical
 
Hardware:
 
Solid build, very slick, almost too slick and a bit on a heavy side which means "easy to drop".  Will certainly require a good case for it, not the usual silicone skin but rather something with a better protection.  Display glass is not flush, sticking out, and certainly will be the first point of impact "contact" if you drop it, thus needs a solid case with good corner protection and a lip around the screen.
 
I'm using both Left/Right hands, and after 3hrs still can't get used to symmetrical button layout, and been hitting Power instead of Play and vise verse.  With symmetrical buttons - it was done intentionally where you will be able to re-assign and symmetrically flip the functionality to accommodate left/right handed operation, but I still find it a little confusing.  Furthermore, while holding it in my hands I already accidentally skip tracks (buttons are easy to access), would have been better to have buttons recessed.  But with a case on - this shouldn't be a problem.  Also, surprised you can only skip through the song but not fast forward like in a lot of other DAPs with dedicated transport hw controls.  I'm sure this will be fixed in a future firmware.
 
SW:
 
FiiO music app is slick, absolutely love it, easy to navigate, but has a few annoyances.  Takes multiple steps to get to setup where you change the gain, and in EQ I don't see labels under sliders to know which frequency is being adjusted, you only see it on a graphic screen following EQ curve.  I understand this app is still work in progress.
 
Definitely some learning curve to figure things out, especially for those not familiar with Android.  Also, the clock is in 24hr format, can't change it (I'm sure it will be fixed).  With apps and other stuff, I guess will have to side load apk files for now.  At this point, I'm not too concerned since I don't want any extra distractions.
 
Sound:
 
I think it's pretty good, but not great.  The sound is very clear and detailed, signature is more neutral-warmish.  In my opinion, all the aspects that have to do with a DAC are great (LO performance is excellent), but the amp module holding it back.  Soundstage is just average, and the same goes for layering and separation of the sound.
 
Comparing to L5Pro, LP5 Gold, and AK120ii - they sound a little more dynamic with a better layering and separation, while in comparison the X7 sounds a little flatter, and actually sounds closer to N6 and QA360 where N6 is a few ticks below and QA360 a few ticks higher (relatively speaking).  I also hear an improvement over X5ii where X7 has more body and overall refined sound, but not night'n'day.  Without a doubt, it's a step up from X5ii, and X7 is currently FiiO's flagship, but with a default IEM amp module you will be kidding yourself by saying that it outperforms A&K and L&P DAPs.  But I think with a better amp module we can see a definite improvement.
 
 

 
Pair up:
 
X7 does better with IEMs and efficient headphones.  With 320 ohm ZEN, X7 wasn't able to drive it to a full potential even in high gain, bass wasn't as tight, and sound was a bit off.  With Savant, sound was great, but the texture of the bass was missing.  It drove PM-3 nicely, but not so much EL-8C (some airiness and sparkle was missing, and texture of the bass not as defined), and R70x (470 ohms) needed a high gain where I raised Volume to 105/120.  Again, I think a lot of these problems will be solved with a higher power amp module.
 
On contrary, with LO and E12A or VE RunAbout amps - sound transforms and expands with an excellent soundstage, becomes more dynamic and with improved layering.  This shows the power of X7 DAC and hope for improvement with a better amp module.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 10:40 AM Post #6,038 of 18,020
Thanks Twister! Very reasonable, level-headed post. Are you sure you're on the right forum? :D
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 AM Post #6,039 of 18,020
Last night I spent about 3 hours testing X7 (using Westone ES60 CIEM) and here is my initial impression.  Keep in mind, it will be a more critical analysis, rather than praises.  X7 deserves a lot of praises for sure, its a huge step up for FiiO, but with so many high expectations and considering I have access to a lot of other DAPs the initial reaction is more critical

Hardware:

Solid build, very slick, almost too slick and a bit on a heavy side which means "easy to drop".  Will certainly require a good case for it, not the usual silicone skin but rather something with a better protection.  Display glass is not flush, sticking out, and certainly will be the first point of impact "contact" if you drop it, thus needs a solid case with good corner protection and a lip around the screen.

I'm using both Left/Right hands, and after 3hrs still can't get used to symmetrical button layout, and been hitting Power instead of Play and vise verse.  With symmetrical buttons - it was done intentionally where you will be able to re-assign and symmetrically flip the functionality to accommodate left/right handed operation, but I still find it a little confusing.  Furthermore, while holding it in my hands I already accidentally skip tracks (buttons are easy to access), would have been better to have buttons recessed.  But with a case on - this shouldn't be a problem.  Also, surprised you can only skip through the song but not fast forward like in a lot of other DAPs with dedicated transport hw controls.  I'm sure this will be fixed in a future firmware.

SW:

FiiO music app is slick, absolutely love it, easy to navigate, but has a few annoyances.  Takes multiple steps to get to setup where you change the gain, and in EQ I don't see labels under sliders to know which frequency is being adjusted, you only see it on a graphic screen following EQ curve.  I understand this app is still work in progress.

Definitely some learning curve to figure things out, especially for those not familiar with Android.  Also, the clock is in 24hr format, can't change it (I'm sure it will be fixed).  With apps and other stuff, I guess will have to side load apk files for now.  At this point, I'm not too concerned since I don't want any extra distractions.

Sound:

I think it's pretty good, but not great.  The sound is very clear and detailed, signature is more neutral-warmish.  In my opinion, all the aspects that have to do with a DAC are great (LO performance is excellent), but the amp module holding it back.  Soundstage is just average, and the same goes for layering and separation of the sound.

Comparing to L5Pro, LP5 Gold, and AK120ii - they sound a little more dynamic with a better layering and separation, while in comparison the X7 sounds a little flatter, and actually sounds closer to N6 and QA360 where N6 is a few ticks below and QA360 a few ticks higher (relatively speaking).  I also hear an improvement over X5ii where X7 has more body and overall refined sound, but not night'n'day.  Without a doubt, it's a step up from X5ii, and X7 is currently FiiO's flagship, but with a default IEM amp module you will be kidding yourself by saying that it outperforms A&K and L&P DAPs.  But I think with a better amp module we can see a definite improvement.





Pair up:

X7 does better with IEMs and efficient headphones.  With 320 ohm ZEN, X7 wasn't able to drive it to a full potential even in high gain, bass wasn't as tight, and sound was a bit off.  With Savant, sound was great, but the texture of the bass was missing.  It drove PM-3 nicely, but not so much EL-8C (some airiness and sparkle was missing, and texture of the bass not as defined), and R70x (470 ohms) needed a high gain where I raised Volume to 105/120.  Again, I think a lot of these problems will be solved with a higher power amp module.

On contrary, with LO and E12A or VE RunAbout amps - sound transforms and expands with an excellent soundstage, becomes more dynamic and with improved layering.  This shows the power of X7 DAC and hope for improvement with a better amp module.


Thanks for the "brief" review (by Twister6's standard :-) ). It's no shame that the layering and separation of the X7 being less capable than the L&P players, as I find the LP5, L5 pro and even the C4 are specialists in layering and separation. Maybe another amp module will help.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 11:15 AM Post #6,041 of 18,020
nice write up, @twister6 . since you mentioned amp pair up, how would you compare the X7+E12A(or HA-2 as mentioned above) with the L5 Pro. they are similarly priced if i recall correctly. it is quite relevant since it is safe to assume that fiio is able to produce an amp module close to the E12A in performance and charge that module at below 150usd, or perhaps 100.
 
the iem module seems to do well with efficient iems comparing with the harder to drive ones as expected, but is it good ENOUGH for the efficient ones? which one would you recommend between the l5 pro and x7 with iem module? since the x7 has 120 steps for volume, it is good enough for me to use efficient monitors with it.(even volume 1/30 out of my phone is louder than i like in the subway.) and how is the hissing in x7? is the l5 pro that level of iem friendly? (read about the 5 gain settings and great hiss control)
 
one thing the x7 offers is the option to go balance, as i have yet to experience the "magic" of balanced output.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 11:36 AM Post #6,042 of 18,020
  nice write up, @twister6 . how would you compare the X7+E12A(or HA-2 as mentioned above) with the L5 Pro. they are similarly priced if i recall correctly. it is quite relevant since it is safe to assume that fiio is able to produce an amp module close to the E12A in performance and charge that module at below 150usd, or perhaps 100.
 
the iem module seems to do well with efficient iems comparing with the harder to drive ones as expected, but is it good ENOUGH for the efficient ones? which one would you recommend between the l5 pro and x7 with iem module? since the x7 has 120 steps for volume, it is good enough for me to use efficient monitors with it.(even volume 1/30 out of my phone is louder than i like in the subway.) is the l5 pro that level of iem friendly?
 
one thing the x7 offers is the option to go balance, as i have yet to experience the "magic" of balanced output.

 
I will do more testing tonight.  Don't like to post speculations or to go "by memory".
 
But in general, of course X7 will scale out with a capable amp, there is no question about it.  But the "magic" of X7 is the capability to integrate a "capable" amp within it's footprint so you don't have to stack up another portable amp or dac/amp on the back.  I just wish a more capable amp would be offered from the get-go because all the initial reviews of sound quality are based on this module.  Also, please keep in mind, I'm not talking about the power to drive headphones loud.  You can drive plenty of headphones loud enough with IEM modules, but you won't be driving them to a full potential to get the best out of their performance.
 
In my quick impression I focused on dynamics and layering/separation because to me those are the factors influenced by analog stage of the design, the amp section.  FiiO has a very reasonable explanation for the display design and ergonomics of symmetrical buttons (which I'm honestly not a fan of), but all this is easily fixable with a good protection case.  It already has a fantastic DAC, and OS tweaking and audio app are shaping up to be great!!!  Just a matter of time with a few upcoming fw releases (they already have yet another fw update scheduled today).  The bottleneck here is amp which is replaceable and opens up a door to a significant improvement.  I really hope to receive their higher power and balanced amp modules for review, really looking forward to that!
 
Regarding X7/iem vs L5 Pro recommendation, that's apples and oranges.  Based on the audio quality, L5 Pro is better, but it still needs work to improve its touch interface.  X7 has a touch interface under control (L5 Pro is not android based) but needs work to improve its amp module.  And if you are fan of Tidal or other streaming services, it's not even a question because only X7 will be able to offer you that.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 11:42 AM Post #6,043 of 18,020
   
I will do more testing tonight.  Don't like to post speculations or to go "by memory".
 

Great balanced insight. Sounds like the X7 has plenty of upside. I wonder if you will have a chance to test the Onkyo DP-X1. Cheers.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 11:47 AM Post #6,044 of 18,020
   
I will do more testing tonight.  Don't like to post speculations or to go "by memory".
 
But in general, of course X7 will scale out with a capable amp, there is no question about it.  But the "magic" of X7 is the capability to integrate a "capable" amp within it's footprint so you don't have to stack up another portable amp or dac/amp on the back.  I just wish a more capable amp would be offered from the get-go because all the initial reviews of sound quality are based on this module.  Also, please keep in mind, I'm not talking about the power to drive headphones loud.  You can drive plenty of headphones loud enough with IEM modules, but you won't be driving them to a full potential to get the best out of their performance.
 
In my quick impression I focused on dynamics and layering/separation because to me those are the factors influenced by analog stage of the design, the amp section.  FiiO has a very reasonable explanation for the display design and ergonomics of symmetrical buttons (which I'm honestly not a fan of), but all this is easily fixable with a good protection case.  It already has a fantastic DAC, and OS tweaking and audio app are shaping up to be great!!!  Just a matter of time with a few upcoming fw releases (they already have yet another fw update scheduled today).  The bottleneck here is amp which is replaceable and opens up a door to a significant improvement.  I really hope to receive their higher power and balanced amp modules for review, really looking forward to that!
 
Regarding X7/iem vs L5 Pro recommendation, that's apples and oranges.  Based on the audio quality, L5 Pro is better, but it still needs work to improve its touch interface.  X7 has a touch interface under control (L5 Pro is not android based) but needs work to improve its amp module.  And if you are fan of Tidal or other streaming services, it's not even a question because only X7 will be able to offer you that.

 
thanks a lot. so far, it seems that i am leaning towards the l5 pro since i only listen to local files, but it is pricier of course and hard to get. I still cannot find one store that has the l5 pro for demo. the only store selling it does not even have it in stock. "by memory", HK is pretty close to mainland china isn't it. I just want to try to see how work-in-progress the fw is without swiping motion.
 
Oct 28, 2015 at 11:50 AM Post #6,045 of 18,020
 
   
I will do more testing tonight.  Don't like to post speculations or to go "by memory".
 
But in general, of course X7 will scale out with a capable amp, there is no question about it.  But the "magic" of X7 is the capability to integrate a "capable" amp within it's footprint so you don't have to stack up another portable amp or dac/amp on the back.  I just wish a more capable amp would be offered from the get-go because all the initial reviews of sound quality are based on this module.  Also, please keep in mind, I'm not talking about the power to drive headphones loud.  You can drive plenty of headphones loud enough with IEM modules, but you won't be driving them to a full potential to get the best out of their performance.
 
In my quick impression I focused on dynamics and layering/separation because to me those are the factors influenced by analog stage of the design, the amp section.  FiiO has a very reasonable explanation for the display design and ergonomics of symmetrical buttons (which I'm honestly not a fan of), but all this is easily fixable with a good protection case.  It already has a fantastic DAC, and OS tweaking and audio app are shaping up to be great!!!  Just a matter of time with a few upcoming fw releases (they already have yet another fw update scheduled today).  The bottleneck here is amp which is replaceable and opens up a door to a significant improvement.  I really hope to receive their higher power and balanced amp modules for review, really looking forward to that!
 
Regarding X7/iem vs L5 Pro recommendation, that's apples and oranges.  Based on the audio quality, L5 Pro is better, but it still needs work to improve its touch interface.  X7 has a touch interface under control (L5 Pro is not android based) but needs work to improve its amp module.  And if you are fan of Tidal or other streaming services, it's not even a question because only X7 will be able to offer you that.

 
thanks a lot. so far, it seems that i am leaning towards the l5 pro since i only listen to local files, but it is pricier of course and hard to get. I still cannot find one store that has the l5 pro for demo. the only store selling it does not even have it in stock. "by memory", HK is pretty close to mainland china isn't it. I just want to try to see how work-in-progress the fw is without swiping motion.

 
Let's focus on X7 and its comparison to other DAPs here, and talk about L5 Pro functionality in its dedicated thread
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