dpastern said:

I like to be able to carry my entire library on the go.  My current 256GB storage limit on my AK 120 II is about 20GB shy of being full.  When ripping to flac, that's probably about 40 albums.  I buy a lot of music on CD, so it won't take me long to fill it up.  That's why storage and future storage is important to me.  

Even using my AK 120 II for my daily commute, I get 4-5 days usage out of it.  That suits me just fine.  As I said earlier, I strongly suspect that many people who use DAPs are like me - they use it during the commute to and from work.  If you use a DAP non stop for 8 hours a day, then no DAP on the planet is *ever* going to satisfy you imho.  You'll be recharging every day...

I'm not saying I don't want to see better battery life, don't get me wrong.  I'm simply saying that I value storage more than battery life, and that i strongly suspect that many will agree with me on this topic.

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I agree majority of usage is on daily commute to work. Same goes for me. But I'm willing to bet against you that not that many people as you might think need their entire library on the go as you are doing. I bet majority still has the ipod/iem combo. Even the lowly ipod 2GB shuffle users would out-number similar users like you.

kerouac said:

   
At ''Later with Jools'' (best music program ever imo)

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True
 
(The Old Grey Whistle Test was pretty decent, too, though, back in the 70s)
 

kerouac said:

  .... it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice''

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True.
 
 

hal rockwell said:

   
I was listening to music most of the time cause I couldn't fall asleep and was trying to ignore my girlfriend's nagging me about every turbulence we had along the flight.

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Here's how to stop your girlfriend nagging you about 'turbulence':
 
STOP FARTING!!  

i am into the group that considers that one needs more storage, as well as more battery. what is too big, is too big, i fiind it a question of wheter i would carry hugo or idsd micro with me portable. they are too big for me. i still would carry x5+ffio e12. so making it thicker more than larger would be a good way to go. 
 
also, i need around 2X128gb for everything i have, and i would happly put portable in lossless. Of course, i can cut some songs of what means portable, and still be happy with only one microsdslot. it is just that 2Xmicrosdslots would be so much better.
 
i already have x5, use it daily, i am very happy with it!
 
but considering all cons and pros, if x7 sounds with at least one amp module as good as hugo, or idsd micro, i am happy, if not, it is not worth it. idsd micro is 500$ afterall. and x7's price does not include the separate amp modules, that as i understand, i will need to buy separately. as i understand it will touch or be over 1000$ mark with all modules.
 
also, about implementing the amp modules, i really hope that fiio is going to have a very firm mechanism, that would not allow disconecting or breaking while in the pocket in crowded subway.
 
 
 
as for the discussion about for how long one can use it, i think that i had used a player for 6-8 hours when walking and traveling, but not anymore. it becomes kind of bothering, it is also very very bad for the hearing. I am rechargin x5 daily for better keeping of battery, so battery life around 8 hours of ture usage, this means usage at 75% volume and only flac files, with screen at least a quarter of the time on. because i change songs pretty often.

dobrescu george said:

  but considering all cons and pros, if x7 sounds with at least one amp module as good as hugo, or idsd micro, i am happy, if not, it is not worth it. idsd micro is 500$ afterall. and x7's price does not include the separate amp modules, that as i understand, i will need to buy separately. as i understand it will touch or be over 1000$ mark with all modules.
 

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There should be an amp module included from the base price. If you select the amp module that you would most likely use then you don't need another module. If you think about it getting X7 with 2 amp module maybe more economical than buying 2 separate DAPs that serve different purpose. I just hope each amp module do not cost as much as the hifiman's.

What does the final design look like? If one needs more storage one could also check out the Calyx M.

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dobrescu george said:

  but considering all cons and pros, if x7 sounds with at least one amp module as good as hugo, or idsd micro, i am happy, if not, it is not worth it. idsd micro is 500$ afterall. and x7's price does not include the separate amp modules, that as i understand, i will need to buy separately. as i understand it will touch or be over 1000$ mark with all modules.
 

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There should be an amp module included from the base price. If you select the amp module that you would most likely use then you don't need another module. If you think about it getting X7 with 2 amp module maybe more economical than buying 2 separate DAPs that serve different purpose. I just hope each amp module do not cost as much as the hifiman's.

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FiiO confirmed that the X7 comes with the IEM module as standard.
 
 

poimandres said:

What does the final design look like? If one needs more storage one could also check out the Calyx M.

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James posted these blurred out pics a couple of pages ago:
 

 

That would be great, as most of use it on the go with in ears. The design looks like a high end IPod Touch, hopefully as easy to use with at least 128GB

looks like it has same color as E12A. nice

That doesn't look bad at all. They still looking at a release this spring?

It looks like physicsal buttons on the right side of the screen. Has it been side how many and their function?

mython said:

True

(The Old Grey Whistle Test was pretty decent, too, though, back in the 70s)


True.



Here's how to stop your girlfriend nagging you about 'turbulence':

STOP FARTING!!  

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Can't help it. Airplane food gives me turbulence.

I'd also prefer 2 memory card slots like the X5. I wonder how much battery life is being sacrificed with 2 rather than 1....I'm a bit curious about how the amp modules will attach to the player, too. Hopefully it isn't something that will become loose and wobbly over time.

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I agree majority of usage is on daily commute to work. Same goes for me. But I'm willing to bet against you that not that many people as you might think need their entire library on the go as you are doing. I bet majority still has the ipod/iem combo. Even the lowly ipod 2GB shuffle users would out-number similar users like you.

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but that's the thing - if you're looking at putting out the cash for a dedicated DAP, you're gonna want more than just what an phone can do...hell, I could fit all of my music now on a iPhone 6 128GB unit (in mp3 format of course) and still have room to go...
 
A lot of people are getting into streaming today though.  Watching my colleagues at work and it's clear that nearly every one of them streams, and nearly none of them have any actual music ripped to their phones.  So, if we use that logic, why do we need a DAP    A person who goes for a DAP does so because of *quality*.  I'm personally not a fan of streaming and I've voiced my opinion on spotify etc before - it's legalised music piracy imho.  I'm glad my favourite artist removed her entire library from Spotify.  
 
I've also noticed that most people don't want to listen to albums in their entirety anymore - they want playlists.  Listening to 2 or 3 songs from the same artist is now labelled boring.  Again, I suspect that those buying DAPs are more likely to appreciate an entire album, than not.  I'm an album guy, so I don't even use playlists on my AK unit and probably never will.  I'll pick an album and then listen to it, but that's my generation for you, when albums still meant something.  
 
I really do think that most people looking at a dedicated DAP will want as much, if not all of, their library on the go as possible.
 
Dave

dpastern said:

   
but that's the thing - if you're looking at putting out the cash for a dedicated DAP, you're gonna want more than just what an phone can do...hell, I could fit all of my music now on a iPhone 6 128GB unit (in mp3 format of course) and still have room to go...
 
A lot of people are getting into streaming today though.  Watching my colleagues at work and it's clear that nearly every one of them streams, and nearly none of them have any actual music ripped to their phones.  So, if we use that logic, why do we need a DAP    A person who goes for a DAP does so because of *quality*.  I'm personally not a fan of streaming and I've voiced my opinion on spotify etc before - it's legalised music piracy imho.  I'm glad my favourite artist removed her entire library from Spotify.  
 
I've also noticed that most people don't want to listen to albums in their entirety anymore - they want playlists.  Listening to 2 or 3 songs from the same artist is now labelled boring.  Again, I suspect that those buying DAPs are more likely to appreciate an entire album, than not.  I'm an album guy, so I don't even use playlists on my AK unit and probably never will.  I'll pick an album and then listen to it, but that's my generation for you, when albums still meant something.  
 
I really do think that most people looking at a dedicated DAP will want as much, if not all of, their library on the go as possible.
 
Dave

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sidenote::: i can like one or two songs from a comercial artist, but i never like an entire album from them... maybe music is at fault too?
 
i mean, metallica albums were listenable from begginig to end, but i cannot really like more than tree songs from someone like lady gaga or whatever very comercial pop artist...
 
 
but i totally agree with you, i would never stream because of lower quality, and anyways, very good artist are not up to streaming anyways..

Dave, it's not that it's not valid (in fact I agree with some of what you've said), but this exact topic has been discussed multiple times within this thread. It's been beaten to death.
 
The X7 will not change now. Believe me, I'd be very happy to see James' engineering team quietly sneak-in another microSD slot (only 1 slot is a deal-breaker for me), but if they did decide to do that (extremely unlikely), then they'd have already set that particular train in motion, a couple of months ago.
 
Arguing for one, in this thread, and at this stage of the X7 development, won't influence anything, one way or the other. They've made their decisions and will be working hard on finalising the hardware and software now. Otherwise, it'd never come to market in time to bring a worthwhile return on investment.
 
 
Nothing personal; it's just a redundant debate, at this stage.