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post #721 of 1868

having received ref1 for about two weeks and managed to have about 10 hours listening. I just had about 2hrs of serious listening and wanting to drop some impressions.guess to me, there is this absolute aspect that stands out is the bass and mid bass.the bass has such rich body with texture and hits so so hard. it doesn't hit overly deep (i am just saying not the deepest but still deep overall) but once it hits its bottom, it kinda rebounds back a bit making it feels like its very flexible (or 'controlled' to put it in another word)

 

ref1 is extremely musical to me that it brings the overall involvement by bring overall one step towards you compared to 1plus2. soundstage is smaller than 1plus2 but there is some midbass hump that creates some airyness and space. again, these bring musical further towards you and make you more involved.

 

I am having this feeling if Gavin specifically tuned ref1 so that it makes people enjoy the high quality music rather than analysing the good and bad. if this is his intention then he's made such success. i several times tried to analyst the music but end up just purely enjoy the music after a while.

 

but the for-going is tha ref1 loses some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. high doesn't extend too much and mid is on the thick side. There is nothing bad but it's just different tuning i guess. using audio-gd's description, 1plus2 would be analytically and ref1 is musical.

 

btw, i am using dx100->uber->ref1

 

one thing i wished a bit more is that if vocal could be brought more forward that would be fantastic.

 

overall i recon there is plenty of musical involvement out of ref1 and you can purely enjoy the music...

 

havent read other head-fiers comment, are we similar?

 

by by the way, anyone in melbourne has ak240? just wanted to grab a feel if it is worth upgrading dx100 to ak240....maybe we can have a mini one on one meet....


Edited by superjohny - 6/12/14 at 7:07am
post #722 of 1868
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Originally Posted by superjohny View Post
 

having received ref1 for about two weeks and managed to have about 10 hours listening. I just had about 2hrs of serious listening and wanting to drop some impressions.guess to me, there is this absolute aspect that stands out is the bass and mid bass.the bass has such rich body with texture and hits so so hard. it doesn't hit overly deep (i am just saying not the deepest but still deep overall) but once it hits its bottom, it kinda rebounds back a bit making it feels like its very flexible (or 'controlled' to put it in another word)

 

ref1 is extremely musical to me that it brings the overall involvement by bring overall one step towards you compared to 1plus2. soundstage is smaller than 1plus2 but there is some midbass hump that creates some airyness and space. again, these bring musical further towards you and make you more involved.

 

I am having this feeling if Gavin specifically tuned ref1 so that it makes people enjoy the high quality music rather than analysing the good and bad. if this is his intention then he's made such success. i several times tried to analyst the music but end up just purely enjoy the music after a while.

 

but the for-going is tha ref1 loses some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. high doesn't extend too much and mid is on the thick side. There is nothing bad but it's just different tuning i guess. using audio-gd's description, 1plus2 would be analytically and ref1 is musical.

 

btw, i am using dx100->uber->ref1

 

one thing i wished a bit more is that if vocal could be brought more forward that would be fantastic.

 

overall i recon there is plenty of musical involvement out of ref1 and you can purely enjoy the music...

 

havent read other head-fiers comment, are we similar?

 

by by the way, anyone in melbourne has ak240? just wanted to grab a feel if it is worth upgrading dx100 to ak240....maybe we can have a mini one on one meet....

Spot on Johny.

 

Your pair will getting better with more hours on it and the bass will loose up a bit more and now my pair (over 300 hours) is much more balance (or even more musical, IMHO).  

 

Have you converted your uber to balanced yet?  It has 4-core and can be easily converted to balanced (don't waste this inherited advantage).

 

Cheers

post #723 of 1868
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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon View Post
 

Spot on Johny.

 

Your pair will getting better with more hours on it and the bass will loose up a bit more and now my pair (over 300 hours) is much more balance (or even more musical, IMHO).  

 

Have you converted your uber to balanced yet?  It has 4-core and can be easily converted to balanced (don't waste this inherited advantage).

 

Cheers

guess if i convert it to trrs then the only choice let to me is hm901 or ak240 (or ak120ii):veryevil:, wallet is crying...

post #724 of 1868
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guess if i convert it to trrs then the only choice let to me is hm901 or ak240 (or ak120ii):veryevil:, wallet is crying...

:beyersmile: happy listening

post #725 of 1868
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Originally Posted by superjohny View Post
 

having received ref1 for about two weeks and managed to have about 10 hours listening. I just had about 2hrs of serious listening and wanting to drop some impressions.guess to me, there is this absolute aspect that stands out is the bass and mid bass.the bass has such rich body with texture and hits so so hard. it doesn't hit overly deep (i am just saying not the deepest but still deep overall) but once it hits its bottom, it kinda rebounds back a bit making it feels like its very flexible (or 'controlled' to put it in another word)

 

ref1 is extremely musical to me that it brings the overall involvement by bring overall one step towards you compared to 1plus2. soundstage is smaller than 1plus2 but there is some midbass hump that creates some airyness and space. again, these bring musical further towards you and make you more involved.

 

I am having this feeling if Gavin specifically tuned ref1 so that it makes people enjoy the high quality music rather than analysing the good and bad. if this is his intention then he's made such success. i several times tried to analyst the music but end up just purely enjoy the music after a while.

 

but the for-going is tha ref1 loses some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. high doesn't extend too much and mid is on the thick side. There is nothing bad but it's just different tuning i guess. using audio-gd's description, 1plus2 would be analytically and ref1 is musical.

 

btw, i am using dx100->uber->ref1

 

one thing i wished a bit more is that if vocal could be brought more forward that would be fantastic.

 

overall i recon there is plenty of musical involvement out of ref1 and you can purely enjoy the music...

 

havent read other head-fiers comment, are we similar?

 

by by the way, anyone in melbourne has ak240? just wanted to grab a feel if it is worth upgrading dx100 to ak240....maybe we can have a mini one on one meet....

 

I have not heard Ref 1 (ordered but still waiting) but one thing I noticed is the mention of Ref 1 losing some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. I don't remember anyone else reporting this so far.

post #726 of 1868
I dont find the 1plus2 to be analytical at all.. Its very musical and fun imho. Its very good at all genres.

Just wondering since Gavin is a huge fan of the fitear sound, he specifically tuned the ref1 to meet in between the fitear musicality and the 1plus2 detailed and fun nature?
post #727 of 1868
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Originally Posted by superjohny View Post

having received ref1 for about two weeks and managed to have about 10 hours listening. I just had about 2hrs of serious listening and wanting to drop some impressions.guess to me, there is this absolute aspect that stands out is the bass and mid bass.the bass has such rich body with texture and hits so so hard. it doesn't hit overly deep (i am just saying not the deepest but still deep overall) but once it hits its bottom, it kinda rebounds back a bit making it feels like its very flexible (or 'controlled' to put it in another word)

ref1 is extremely musical to me that it brings the overall involvement by bring overall one step towards you compared to 1plus2. soundstage is smaller than 1plus2 but there is some midbass hump that creates some airyness and space. again, these bring musical further towards you and make you more involved.

I am having this feeling if Gavin specifically tuned ref1 so that it makes people enjoy the high quality music rather than analysing the good and bad. if this is his intention then he's made such success. i several times tried to analyst the music but end up just purely enjoy the music after a while.

but the for-going is tha ref1 loses some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. high doesn't extend too much and mid is on the thick side. There is nothing bad but it's just different tuning i guess. using audio-gd's description, 1plus2 would be analytically and ref1 is musical.

btw, i am using dx100->uber->ref1

one thing i wished a bit more is that if vocal could be brought more forward that would be fantastic.

overall i recon there is plenty of musical involvement out of ref1 and you can purely enjoy the music...

havent read other head-fiers comment, are we similar?

by by the way, anyone in melbourne has ak240? just wanted to grab a feel if it is worth upgrading dx100 to ak240....maybe we can have a mini one on one meet....
You are the first review coming from South Hemisphere !
post #728 of 1868
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

But the bass decay of the two earphones are very different. Would be interesting to see the CSD plots of these two earphones.

Can someone translate this into Noob language please?
post #729 of 1868
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Originally Posted by tgdinamo View Post
 

 

I have not heard Ref 1 (ordered but still waiting) but one thing I noticed is the mention of Ref 1 losing some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. I don't remember anyone else reporting this so far.

 

i noticed this loss of transparency when i was listening to 24/96 some chinese song that only has vocal and very light background music. but if i hadnt heard 1plus2 and se846, i wouldn't have noticed it

 

 

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I dont find the 1plus2 to be analytical at all.. Its very musical and fun imho. Its very good at all genres.

Just wondering since Gavin is a huge fan of the fitear sound, he specifically tuned the ref1 to meet in between the fitear musicality and the 1plus2 detailed and fun nature?

hey this exactly matches my impression, cuz listening to ref1 kinds reminded me of tg334, it's just that tg334 sound is a bit thin and vocal abit forward. but overall, lilstening to that kinda make me feel ref1 is in between 1plus2 and tg334 but its wonderful bass and involvment.

post #730 of 1868
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Can someone translate this into Noob language please?

 

Basically he's saying that one has more bass reverb than the other. Bass has more reverb when it "lingers" longer, versus a more taught punch. Think of getting hit by Manny Pacquaio gloveless, versus with a glove. Same force, but different overall presentation.

 

The CSD plot measures this.

post #731 of 1868
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Originally Posted by superjohny View Post
 

 

i noticed this loss of transparency when i was listening to 24/96 some chinese song that only has vocal and very light background music. but if i hadnt heard 1plus2 and se846, i wouldn't have noticed it

 

I also have 1plus2 (which I love) and now Ref 1 on order. My understanding of most of the comments comparing these 2 so far were that Ref 1 improves on 1plus2 bass, mids, and detail (not that there is much if anything wrong with any of that on 1plus2).

The one thing I'm hoping Ref 1 does better is get rid of occasional sibilance 1plus2 has with some recordings. But I was amazed by comments that it improves bass and detail without having to resort to uber cable - that kind of sealed the deal for me.

post #732 of 1868
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Basically he's saying that one has more bass reverb than the other. Bass has more reverb when it "lingers" longer, versus a more taught punch. Think of getting hit by Manny Pacquaio gloveless, versus with a glove. Same force, but different overall presentation.

The CSD plot measures this.

Thank you... again Eke!! Couple of more weeks... dying bro!!!

I can only imagine how nice these will sound.
post #733 of 1868

+1 for me warrior1975. I hope end June/early July shipment.

 

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Originally Posted by superjohny View Post
 

 

hey this exactly matches my impression, cuz listening to ref1 kinds reminded me of tg334, it's just that tg334 sound is a bit thin and vocal abit forward. but overall, lilstening to that kinda make me feel ref1 is in between 1plus2 and tg334 but its wonderful bass and involvment.

 

So pleased to read this. I've been hovering around the few 334's that come up for resale (all with pretty juicy prices) and now will hold back until I've had the Ref.1 for a month or so. It's all putting flesh on the bones of the 'different tuning' statement about differences between 1plus2 and Ref.1. Maybe I can put my 'ghost' of the 334 down?

post #734 of 1868
I'm hoping the same thing as I'm still in the market for CIEMS. Noble K10s are at the top of my list, yet still intrigued by Roxannes as well. I'm praying that I love my Ref so much, that my search will end. I seriously doubt it as I really want to try CIEMS... But you never know.
post #735 of 1868
After getting Hugo, 1p2 and Ref 1 this year, my craving for portable gear is reduced significantly...just sitting back and enjoying music
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