superjohny said:

  having received ref1 for about two weeks and managed to have about 10 hours listening. I just had about 2hrs of serious listening and wanting to drop some impressions.guess to me, there is this absolute aspect that stands out is the bass and mid bass.the bass has such rich body with texture and hits so so hard. it doesn't hit overly deep (i am just saying not the deepest but still deep overall) but once it hits its bottom, it kinda rebounds back a bit making it feels like its very flexible (or 'controlled' to put it in another word)
 
ref1 is extremely musical to me that it brings the overall involvement by bring overall one step towards you compared to 1plus2. soundstage is smaller than 1plus2 but there is some midbass hump that creates some airyness and space. again, these bring musical further towards you and make you more involved.
 
I am having this feeling if Gavin specifically tuned ref1 so that it makes people enjoy the high quality music rather than analysing the good and bad. if this is his intention then he's made such success. i several times tried to analyst the music but end up just purely enjoy the music after a while.
 
but the for-going is tha ref1 loses some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. high doesn't extend too much and mid is on the thick side. There is nothing bad but it's just different tuning i guess. using audio-gd's description, 1plus2 would be analytically and ref1 is musical.
 
btw, i am using dx100->uber->ref1
 
one thing i wished a bit more is that if vocal could be brought more forward that would be fantastic.
 
overall i recon there is plenty of musical involvement out of ref1 and you can purely enjoy the music...
 
havent read other head-fiers comment, are we similar?
 
by by the way, anyone in melbourne has ak240? just wanted to grab a feel if it is worth upgrading dx100 to ak240....maybe we can have a mini one on one meet....

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flymetothemoon said:

  Spot on Johny.
 
Your pair will getting better with more hours on it and the bass will loose up a bit more and now my pair (over 300 hours) is much more balance (or even more musical, IMHO).  
 
Have you converted your uber to balanced yet?  It has 4-core and can be easily converted to balanced (don't waste this inherited advantage).
 
Cheers

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superjohny said:

  guess if i convert it to trrs then the only choice let to me is hm901 or ak240 (or ak120ii)

, wallet is crying...

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superjohny said:

  having received ref1 for about two weeks and managed to have about 10 hours listening. I just had about 2hrs of serious listening and wanting to drop some impressions.guess to me, there is this absolute aspect that stands out is the bass and mid bass.the bass has such rich body with texture and hits so so hard. it doesn't hit overly deep (i am just saying not the deepest but still deep overall) but once it hits its bottom, it kinda rebounds back a bit making it feels like its very flexible (or 'controlled' to put it in another word)
 
ref1 is extremely musical to me that it brings the overall involvement by bring overall one step towards you compared to 1plus2. soundstage is smaller than 1plus2 but there is some midbass hump that creates some airyness and space. again, these bring musical further towards you and make you more involved.
 
I am having this feeling if Gavin specifically tuned ref1 so that it makes people enjoy the high quality music rather than analysing the good and bad. if this is his intention then he's made such success. i several times tried to analyst the music but end up just purely enjoy the music after a while.
 
but the for-going is tha ref1 loses some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. high doesn't extend too much and mid is on the thick side. There is nothing bad but it's just different tuning i guess. using audio-gd's description, 1plus2 would be analytically and ref1 is musical.
 
btw, i am using dx100->uber->ref1
 
one thing i wished a bit more is that if vocal could be brought more forward that would be fantastic.
 
overall i recon there is plenty of musical involvement out of ref1 and you can purely enjoy the music...
 
havent read other head-fiers comment, are we similar?
 
by by the way, anyone in melbourne has ak240? just wanted to grab a feel if it is worth upgrading dx100 to ak240....maybe we can have a mini one on one meet....

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superjohny said:

having received ref1 for about two weeks and managed to have about 10 hours listening. I just had about 2hrs of serious listening and wanting to drop some impressions.guess to me, there is this absolute aspect that stands out is the bass and mid bass.the bass has such rich body with texture and hits so so hard. it doesn't hit overly deep (i am just saying not the deepest but still deep overall) but once it hits its bottom, it kinda rebounds back a bit making it feels like its very flexible (or 'controlled' to put it in another word)

ref1 is extremely musical to me that it brings the overall involvement by bring overall one step towards you compared to 1plus2. soundstage is smaller than 1plus2 but there is some midbass hump that creates some airyness and space. again, these bring musical further towards you and make you more involved.

I am having this feeling if Gavin specifically tuned ref1 so that it makes people enjoy the high quality music rather than analysing the good and bad. if this is his intention then he's made such success. i several times tried to analyst the music but end up just purely enjoy the music after a while.

but the for-going is tha ref1 loses some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. high doesn't extend too much and mid is on the thick side. There is nothing bad but it's just different tuning i guess. using audio-gd's description, 1plus2 would be analytically and ref1 is musical.

btw, i am using dx100->uber->ref1

one thing i wished a bit more is that if vocal could be brought more forward that would be fantastic.

overall i recon there is plenty of musical involvement out of ref1 and you can purely enjoy the music...

havent read other head-fiers comment, are we similar?

by by the way, anyone in melbourne has ak240? just wanted to grab a feel if it is worth upgrading dx100 to ak240....maybe we can have a mini one on one meet....

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anakchan said:

But the bass decay of the two earphones are very different. Would be interesting to see the CSD plots of these two earphones.

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tgdinamo said:

   
I have not heard Ref 1 (ordered but still waiting) but one thing I noticed is the mention of Ref 1 losing some transparency and detail compared to 1plus2. I don't remember anyone else reporting this so far.

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nazrin313 said:

I dont find the 1plus2 to be analytical at all.. Its very musical and fun imho. Its very good at all genres.

Just wondering since Gavin is a huge fan of the fitear sound, he specifically tuned the ref1 to meet in between the fitear musicality and the 1plus2 detailed and fun nature?

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warrior1975 said:

Can someone translate this into Noob language please?

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superjohny said:

   
i noticed this loss of transparency when i was listening to 24/96 some chinese song that only has vocal and very light background music. but if i hadnt heard 1plus2 and se846, i wouldn't have noticed it
 

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eke2k6 said:

Basically he's saying that one has more bass reverb than the other. Bass has more reverb when it "lingers" longer, versus a more taught punch. Think of getting hit by Manny Pacquaio gloveless, versus with a glove. Same force, but different overall presentation.

The CSD plot measures this.

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superjohny said:

   
hey this exactly matches my impression, cuz listening to ref1 kinds reminded me of tg334, it's just that tg334 sound is a bit thin and vocal abit forward. but overall, lilstening to that kinda make me feel ref1 is in between 1plus2 and tg334 but its wonderful bass and involvment.

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