[jerg]

   
Some people are sensitive to treble, and that bump at the 4k may be bad for them...  The dip at the 2k, I believe, is to reduce sibilance (If I EQ the 2k back up, I gain sibilance). But yeah, they should try the 560 first though... 

4kHz is a long way from treble still. You gotta get closer to 6~7kHz to border treble.
 
2kHz emphasis = stuffiness / veil; 2kHz recession = hollowness, lacking in midrange substance
 
4kHz emphasis = midrange edginess / aggression; 4kHz recession = mellowness and dulling of midrange transient attacks.
 
It's a fine line to balance, to my ears HE560s with the older hybrid pads does it well.

 

[conquerator2]

 
Awh, I'm not alone
Yeah, electronic music is great sometimes as well. Never really had bass heavy cans yet, but I've certainly had bass heavy speakers. My Klipsch promedia's have AWESOME bass.
Oh wow. Don't think I'll ever hate em though. I feel you though. I hate one notey bass. Sub-bass is probably my favorite
That's awesome! Good it's not as simple as just bass.
Right on, they do bass well for sure, especially rock.

Yes, treble is an iffy area for me as well. I don't mean to focus so much on bass, I LOVE my mids as well. Treble is... idk. I've not really gotten a feel for it yet.

They are indeed, quite even, certainly a benefit of planar tech. Bah, I wouldn't say you're getting picky.

I still have my fondest memories of "reference sound" for the "not optimally driven" HE-6 

Those were the first cans that changed my preferences from focusing on bass to focusing on everything :]
I love all my frequencies, sure I love bass as well, and I do hate recessed, tiny bass...
The beautiful thing is that once things get balanced, meaning, nice, tight and punchy bass, clear and full midrange with extended, airy treble, accompanied by excellent imaging & spacious soundstage... it's just one heck of a bliss for me 

 

[SoAmusing777]

  I still have my fondest memories of "reference sound" for the "not optimally driven" HE-6 

Those were the first cans that changed my preferences from focusing on bass to focusing on everything :]
I love all my frequencies, sure I love bass as well, and I do hate recessed, tiny bass...
The beautiful thing is that once things get balanced, meaning, nice, tight and punchy bass, clear and full midrange with extended, airy treble, accompanied by excellent imaging & spacious soundstage... it's just one heck of a bliss for me 

Then maybe I shall go for the 560 instead of the 400i. Still reading the impressions and discussions thread.
Me too.
Well yeah. That's sonic perfection, lol.

 

[conquerator2]

  4kHz is a long way from treble still. You gotta get closer to 6~7kHz to border treble.
 
2kHz emphasis = stuffiness / veil; 2kHz recession = hollowness, lacking in midrange substance
 
4kHz emphasis = midrange edginess / aggression; 4kHz recession = mellowness and dulling of midrange transient attacks.
 
It's a fine line to balance, to my ears HE560s with the older hybrid pads does it well.

So you like the new 560 with newer pads substantially less?
 
Do keep us updated on the pads, please 

 
Still, it's not like it'll change anything for me, at best, I'll buy a second set of pads at worst, I'll be "stuck" with a slightly different padding and resulting sound 

 

[conquerator2]

 

Then maybe I shall go for the 560 instead of the 400i. Still reading the impressions and discussions thread.
Me too.
Well yeah. That's sonic perfection, lol.

Yeah, still looking 

I'll hopefully get closer to it! The K612 has been pretty great, save for the annoying treble imperfection 

The old saying "the more you notice the imperfections the more you focus on them" 

Rest assured, I'll make sure to be pretty vocal about any imperfections the 560s have... As I said - expectations are high, not gonna be easy for them! They better crash my two 200$ headphones 

 

 

[SoAmusing777]

  Yeah, still looking 

I'll hopefully get closer to it! The K612 has been pretty great, save for the annoying treble imperfection 

The old saying "the more you notice the imperfections the more you focus on them" 

Rest assured, I'll make sure to be pretty vocal about any imperfections the 560s have... As I said - expectations are high, not gonna be easy for them! They better crash my two 200$ headphones 

 

Oh my goodness, that saying is insanely true.
Agreed!

 

[JB North County]

mine arrived in 3 days from HK.  Took a bit of break in time (150 hours); sound stage seems warped innitially but quickly flattens out.  Likes powerfull amps.  My Antique Sound Lab MG-Head Mark III barely drove the HE-500's and won't do for the 560's, but they sound wonderful with my Schit Lyr.  Highs are smoother,sweeter

 

[Maxx134]

Edit:
Wrong member lol

Have the 560 driven by the Lyr lots of power
I find that I have to set the volume higher on the 560 then the 500 should be other way around anyone else notice this

I also noticed that these babies need amplification and more than the pm1 needed.

I am not home to use my home setup yet, so I am using a small 02 amp at max volume. .
And out of this plus my portable player I can easily tell this can kicks major arss!

The soundstage rivals a moded hd800 (mmodded reduces it's soundstage)
And the space and clarity and realism I never herd on a portable setup at this high a level. .

Sooo clear and large and realistic (!)

Played some sibilant songs to test....
Was not harsh(!) But was different. . Like shiny in the part where I would normally hear an offensive sibilance. ..

Sooo what that means is it passed the test for me of being wonderful sounding. ..
As should be for a "honey moon" stage

 

[TMRaven]

The preorder and production 560 sound very close, but I too am one of the guys that likes the older sound better.
 
4khz can be considered treble, it can also be considered high-mids, the two are used interchangeably; here's a good tool.
 
When I first got the preorder 560 I noted a little bit of a trouble area around 6khz, so it shows how 4khz can sound like a higher frequency.  I think a dip or a recession around 2khz is for the most part benign.  If the dip is too big and the gap too large, then the headphone does become hollow sounding.  Too much of it though can make a headphone sound plasticy/tinny and low-fi (think apple earbuds.)  Better to have not enough of that than too much of it.

 

[conquerator2]

Now it's this week... Just a few more days!!!! Argh 

 Dang it.     Screw me.      Peace & good night 

 

[Ron12]

  The preorder and production 560 sound very close, but I too am one of the guys that likes the older sound better.

 
What does it mean 'very close'? If you like the older pads more, it means that the difference wasn't subtle I guess...? And are you talking about the headphone, or the pads (their effect on the HE-560 sound)?

 

[TMRaven]

   
What does it mean 'very close'? If you like the older pads more, it means that the difference wasn't subtle I guess...? And are you talking about the headphone, or the pads (their effect on the HE-560 sound)?

 
Well I found that production 560 with preorder pads was the same sounding as the preorder 560.  In other words the two headphones sound the same, the pads sounded different.
 
By very close I meant, the preorder 560 with the preorder pads sounds really close to the production 560 with the production pads.  The difference was slightly more bite in the lower treble.  The difference isn't night and day, but noticeable if you know what you're looking for.  When 90% of the headphones' frequency response is the same, they tend to sound very close.

 

[conquerator2]

The way I see it,
The change is not substantial enough to upset us who have not heard the preproduction version but it is not inaudible to those who did

 

[Ron12]

   
Well I found that production 560 with preorder pads was the same sounding as the preorder 560.  In other words the two headphones sound the same, the pads sounded different.
 
By very close I meant, the preorder 560 with the preorder pads sounds really close to the production 560 with the production pads.  The difference was slightly more bite in the lower treble.  The difference isn't night and day, but noticeable if you know what you're looking for.  When 90% of the headphones' frequency response is the same, they tend to sound very close.

 
Thanks a lot, now it's perfectly clear (at least for me). And I agree with the last sentence.

 

[LaPierre]

The way I see it, there's a slight difference, yes. But a small frequency bump won't change the fact this is a downright amazing headphone, very high resolution, tactile and well textured bass with great decay and speed, smooth and well extended treble with 'stat-like' performance, a realistic and present midrange and best of all, a large but not too distanced soundstage with pinpoint imaging. That's what I've gathered from reading about this headphone for a couple weeks. This headphone is a great value at 900$, great comfort, value and sound.. what more is there to love? Easy to drive as well.. there's no doubt in my mind this is one of the most versatile and best headphones that's presently available.