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post #1021 of 2607
So far, I've tried a number of different combinations with the B3:

Geek Out 1000
Audinst HUD-MX1
Fiio E07K
AK100 (unamped)
DX50 (unamped)
Fiio X3 (unamped)

Recently, I've tried the the Fiio X3 and DX50 lineout to the Pico Slim amp (I couldn't try with the AK100 since I've sold it, and there isn't a lineout function afaik), and the results are very favorable, especially for the X3.

The sound is similar to the HUD-MX1, essentially colorless. However, the Pico Slim definitely brings out the bass more. Bass is tighter, hence by extension appearing more textured, and also hits harder. B3 users who wish for more bass without bloat (quite a few from what I remember) will find this a welcome option.

The Pico Slim also has an in-your-face presentation, while soundstage, in particular depth, is increased as well. The result is... I don't know how to explain in words because I'm not sure what it actually encompasses from a technical standpoint. Fiio X3, and by nature all Fiio products, are slightly constricting sounding due to it's mid-centric ness. This is nicely 'counteracted' by the addition of the Pico Slim to the chain. Particularly for the B3, it's greatest sonic trait is it's legendary, enveloping 3D soundstage, and the last thing any amp should do is to compromise on this. The Pico Slim actually improves on this all-round effect, and the difference is not just subtle. It's somewhat like moving from in the middle of a nice concert hall, to row A of a large expansive stadium with state of the art acoustics. I mentioned before that the AK100 with the B3 gave me an expansive soundstage like no other combination before. In comparison, I would say that the Pico Slim has a very slightly less wide soundstage, although instruments are more pulled towards the sides.

In terms of clarity, detail, separation, the AK100 was outmatched by the GO1000, and now equally by the Pico Slim as well. I would however still say that the GO1000 is a little more dynamic sounding than the Pico Slim. B3 is naturally a flat sounding IEM which appeals to 'purists'. The Pico Slim certainly provides the B3 with greater oomph for more universal enjoyment.

I do not detect significant changes in imaging, nor in the treble frequency. I would note that the B3 has a tendency to become a little grainy in the highs especially with multi layered instrumental music. I'm not too sure if if I should isolate it as a result of insufficient amping, poor MQ of the source file, or simply a limitation of the B3, but I'm pleased to say that I threw one of the most tricky tracks I have at the Pico Slim addition (Foo Fighter's 'Walk'), and most (but not all) of this harshness was smoothened out. That was a hugely satisfying outcome for me.

Overall, where would I rank the X3 + Pico Slim combination with the B3? I would probably say that the Geek Out 1000 is still the better sounding pairing overall. The Pico Slim has the better (best so far!) soundstage, but the GO1000 edges out in it's blacker background, lower noise floor, and more 'engaging' sound (though the Pico Slim is already darn good as well). When purely considering synergy with the B3, the GO1000 still does more to distinctly augment the sound of the B3 positively.

If I were to have an overall preference ranking of all the combinations so far on strict personal opinion and preference:

GO1000 >= X3 + Pico Slim > AK100 > MX1 > E07K
post #1022 of 2607

Has anyone bought a pair from Lendmeurears recently? If so, do they come with the Sennheiser double flange tips? Just purchased the Pro 1's and I'm usually a bass-head but you all say the Pro-2's are bad, so I hope I like them!

post #1023 of 2607

I find the JDS Labs C5 to be a great amp with the B3s, especially the one with two levels of bass boost. Great amp.

post #1024 of 2607
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Originally Posted by TheFragileOne View Post

Has anyone bought a pair from Lendmeurears recently? If so, do they come with the Sennheiser double flange tips? Just purchased the Pro 1's and I'm usually a bass-head but you all say the Pro-2's are bad, so I hope I like them!

Yes, bought some from LMUE recently and they came with Senn bi-flanges. I find I have to use them with Comply tips to get them to stay in, though. As far as bass goes, I think they've got good bass quality and just enough bass quantity to satisfy me. They aren't going to implode your eardrums with bass if that's what you're after ūüėČ.
post #1025 of 2607
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Originally Posted by LanceP11 View Post

No Bass boost on the NX1. Disappointing.

Enough for me. Bass is too big will cover the instrument.:L3000:

post #1026 of 2607
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Originally Posted by halomusic View Post
 

The actual use of b3s with NX1 and apple 4S has a very good effect.The sound is very clear and strong.

 

Wow. I almost thought that was the CC BH2. The NX1 almost looks like it. The only give from that view is the placement of the indicator, the second missing auxiliary output and the color of the indicator. 

post #1027 of 2607
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by halomusic View Post
 

The actual use of b3s with NX1 and apple 4S has a very good effect.The sound is very clear and strong.

:beerchug:

I have started to use my iPod Touch 4th Gen via the Fiio Lineout cable connected to my NX1. Synergy and sound quality is perfect for this combo!!!  So if there is an option for lineout, I highly recommend you to connect your iPhone 4S through the fiio lineout cable. Also velcro adhesives that came with the NX1 nicely and securely attaches the NX1 to my iPod. I don't use the elastic band anymore. After this pairing and hearing the results, I sold my Fiio E11.

 

Here is the cable I use: http://www.mp4nation.net/fiio-l9-l-lod-cable-for-ipod-ipad-iphone-pcocc-a-cable

Or you can go for this one: http://www.mp4nation.net/fiio-l11-iphone-lo-usb-dock-conversion-adapter

                             (please check the compatibility with your phone)

 

 

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Originally Posted by LanceP11 View Post

No Bass boost on the NX1. Disappointing.

 

Dear LanceP11, there is no need for a bass boost on the NX1 -IMO-. But if you prefer to use it that way I can't say anything... Then NX1 is not for you.

 

(Because I never like the boost switches which changes the sound in a non Hi-Fi fashion. But there are "people" who prefers just the opposite. So its a preference thing...)

 

 

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Originally Posted by TheFragileOne View Post
 

Has anyone bought a pair from Lendmeurears recently? If so, do they come with the Sennheiser double flange tips? Just purchased the Pro 1's and I'm usually a bass-head but you all say the Pro-2's are bad, so I hope I like them!

 

May be B3 Pro1 cannot satisfy a bass-head's needs but one thing I am perfectly sure of that "it has the potential to change your preferences" :wink:    After getting it, just give it time and you'll understand what I mean  ;)

...and if the bass is not enough for you even after driver/brain burn-in period, you can always EQ the bass section.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by halomusic View Post
 

Enough for me. Bass is too big will cover the instrument.:L3000:

 

 

++++1 


Edited by Baycode - 7/21/14 at 1:40am
post #1028 of 2607

One thing about bass boost though, is that it's not bad to have when you listen in different conditions. For example, when I'm outside or in a public place where there's lots of noise in the environment, bass boost lets me enjoy the IEMs without having to turn them up to dangerous levels. At home in the quiet, I don't need it. That said, it might just be better to have a more purely "fun" IEM for being out and about, while saving the likes of the B3s for quiet attentive listening.

post #1029 of 2607

ya..i use bass boost on the havi jus for fun, on some songs too..on my e18.

post #1030 of 2607
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

ya..i use bass boost on the havi jus for fun, on some songs too..on my e18.
Flip the high gain on your e18 and listen to those havis really shine.
post #1031 of 2607
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Originally Posted by Darner View Post
 

One thing about bass boost though, is that it's not bad to have when you listen in different conditions. For example, when I'm outside or in a public place where there's lots of noise in the environment, bass boost lets me enjoy the IEMs without having to turn them up to dangerous levels. At home in the quiet, I don't need it. That said, it might just be better to have a more purely "fun" IEM for being out and about, while saving the likes of the B3s for quiet attentive listening.

 

 

i agree with what your saying, when outside you do need a bit of extra bass (for the oomph) my bassier gear sounds less bassier outside

 after selling my fiio e6. i feel like when outside i could use a bit of extra bass (even with the "no eq" setting theres a bit more bass) and i could easily just turn off the amp when at home ( i still use my ipod at home) its just more convenient for me

post #1032 of 2607

That the "Pro" in the name of Havi B3 Pro 1 (Old Version ) is meant for real, confirms the following : live streaming of the concert by 

 

Ljubljana International Orchestra

http://www.slokaracademy.com/en/concerts/lio-international-orchestra-ljubljana/

 

Ljubljana International Orchestra by vzivo

 

http://new.livestream.com/zivo/Ljubljana-International-Orchestra

 

Streaming is live at this moment ( dress rehearsal/recording of Strauss - Don Quichote ) - the concert is tonight at 21:00 hours ( CET+1 hour ) time.

 

Sound provided by yours truly, monitored  with B3 Pro 1 ( under the Peltor Optime III mufflrers ) - goes without saying.

 

Including all Monday and Wednesday morning till ... - the whole programme will be/is being/was recorded audio/video during the dress rehearsal for the planned DVD issue.

 

Original audio recording is in DSD128. 

post #1033 of 2607
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

That the "Pro" in the name of Havi B3 Pro 1 (Old Version ) is meant for real, confirms the following : live streaming of the concert by 

 

Ljubljana International Orchestra

http://www.slokaracademy.com/en/concerts/lio-international-orchestra-ljubljana/

 

Ljubljana International Orchestra by vzivo

 

http://new.livestream.com/zivo/Ljubljana-International-Orchestra

 

Streaming is live at this moment ( dress rehearsal/recording of Strauss - Don Quichote ) - the concert is tonight at 21:00 hours ( CET+1 hour ) time.

 

Sound provided by yours truly, monitored  with B3 Pro 1 ( under the Peltor Optime III mufflrers ) - goes without saying.

 

Including all Monday and Wednesday morning till ... - the whole programme will be/is being/was recorded audio/video during the dress rehearsal for the planned DVD issue.

 

Original audio recording is in DSD128. 

 

Great! Congrats @analogsurviver  !!!

 

 

Previous night I was making some tube rolling on my DV336SE and trying some full sized cans. K340, T50RP, K551, DJ100 was on the bench ATM.  Also B3 Pro1...

 

I have listened various kinds of music and some of my recordings. Nothing gives the true to life sound reproduction of B3 Pro1! Your post excited me and I wanted to share this. The mentioned full sized cans have some sort of faults compared to B3 Pro1.

 

Like you, I truly believe the "Pro" designation as well.


Edited by Baycode - 7/23/14 at 2:55am
post #1034 of 2607
Thread Starter 

I hope @bhazard won't mind me if I share his post about the B3 Pro1 on the Chinese/Asian thread:

 

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

The B3 pairs insanely well with ESS9018KM2 based DACs. It sounds just as amazing on my Xplay 3S as it does on my GO1000. Bass isn't even an issue anymore. It's basically my endgame setup, as even the Dunu DN-2000 couldn't beat it.

 

Link:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/684159/chinese-asian-brand-info-thread-headphones-iems-amps-dacs/4950#post_10733062

post #1035 of 2607
Thread Starter 

Disassembling the Havi B3 Pro1 : Looking into the heart of an iem

 

 

I want to share my journey after inspecting a driver problem on my B3 Pro1.

 

Left piece seemed slightly quieter on the 30-300 Hz range to my brain. So I got permission from Penonaudio that they can send me a free replacement if I open it and try to find the problem first. So thanks for Penonaudio for encouraging me.

 

Before opening it up I have measured the iem for different freq samples and really found that the left earpiece is quieter than the right (4-5 dB) on the 35-250 Hz range (yes I have a crazy hearing system).

 

And so the story continues...  I didn't find any driver wiring or wax related problems. So Penonaudio told me that I can send them the B3 for guarantee (replacement). But I have to cover the shipping (for sending them only)... They shipped back the B3 Pro1 to their expense. I have to thank them for their great service. They are standing behind their guarantee. They got my trust...

 

Also I did a conversation with Penonaudio regarding the driver issues of B3 Pro1's. They told me that there had been only about 4 units until now. So I am now content that the build quality across the production benches are not bad. Even the big companies like Audio Technica and JVC had this kind of issues... :wink:

 

 

So why not fully understand the B3 before sending? Therefore I have fully disassembled it in the name of science :wink_face:

 

 

My findings in the pictorial form is on the below:

 

 

I have accidentally cracked the glass while trying to open them-up:

 

 

 

Is B3 Pro1 vented ?: Answer is yes, but hidden under a glass ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After opening the backplate the drivers can be seen. I have lifted one of the drivers-up:

 

 

 

Front part facing the ear:

 

 

Inner part removed. Drivers are resting inside a rubber-like material:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This patented elastic housing (inner material) absorbs the vibrations:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have listened to each driver. All I can say that they are not acting like a "known" bass and tweeter drivers. Their sound seemed to me like close to full-range speakers with different presentations. To explain it better I can use this example: Think of a different male and female vocalists (see the explanations on the photo below) inside these speakers. And the sound we hear is coming from the mixture of these vocals.

 

One driver is bass heavy, laid back, veiled while the other is has the opposite character. These two "opposite characters" creates something very special... 

 

 

 

Removing the filter from the baritone-bass driver didn't change anything on sound. So no room for modification here...

 

Look at the thick OFC used on the wiring.

 

In the end I am amazed by the simple yet effective inner design of B3 Pro1. It is also an "easy to mod" IEM. But the problem is: I can't see any possibility for modding inside the shell :biggrin:  And the sound is already excellent.... :wink_face: 

 

 

 

 

My new B3's from the Penonaudio reached my hands... 

New Havi B3 Pro1's now have Pro I designation on the red dots. Previously they were only putting a red dot sticker for Pro1's. I think after this thread they (Havi company) have seen the practical usage of the model name "Pro1" instead of "old version" or " first version":


Edited by Baycode - 7/24/14 at 6:37am
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