Are the V-Modas overrated by people who don't have enough experience with headphones?
Mar 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM Post #107 of 229
And yet, despite all that, he called it a wonderfully fun, enjoyable headphone that he wholeheartedly puts them at the top for anyone under 35, or who listens to modern music, and says he has never felt so inspired to headbob and sing along as with the M100.
 
So, to me, that means they're FAR from overrated or overpriced. Otherwise he wouldn't hold them in such high regard. No one ever said they're flawless, or "audiophile-grade" (oh brother). They're $300 headphones, no duh they're going to have shortcomings. This is a guy with the $5,000 Stax SR009 in his collection. He has criticisms about ALL the products he reviews because that's his job: to list their pros and cons.
 
Treble response is the one area where I find the Audeze headphones slightly lacking. The LCD-3 does better than the LCD-2, but when compared to the lightning speed of the Sennheiser HD 800, the Audeze cans just seem a little sluggish and blurred. 

 
Pick out the criticisms from reviews and you can make it sound like everything is bad. 
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 2:44 PM Post #108 of 229
He owned 40, I'm sure he has also heard many more.


That's precisely why I'm mistrustful. Most guys who buy in bulk either have no idea what to listen for or are fickle perfectionists. But enough of this.
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 2:47 PM Post #109 of 229
  IMO Dt770s sound better than M100s. It's V-shaped sound signature done right in my opinion, at least in that price bracket.
 
And I still disagree about style. The Abyss is the ugliest phone ever created in the history of headphones IMO. I tried them at Jaben and loved the sound. Would definitely buy them if I could afford them.

 
Just throwing in my two cents here - I prefer the DT770 Pro 80 sound to the M100.  The former has less bass than the latter and is certainly less portable, but it still has very good bass, stronger and better sounding mids (to me), and it more comfortable.  Both good sounding headphones with V-shaped sound, and neither is overrpriced IMO, but I prefer the sound of the DT770.
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 2:48 PM Post #110 of 229
   
Just throwing in my two cents here - I prefer the DT770 Pro 80 sound to the M100.  The former has less bass than the latter and is certainly less portable, but it still has very good bass, stronger and better sounding mids (to me), and it more comfortable.  Both good sounding headphones with V-shaped sound, but the M100 is a bit too V-shaped for my preferences.

 
And this is a case where I'd go "I cannot disagree". It's less bass heavy, the mids are certainly more present, and they're the most comfortable headphones that aren't made by Sennheiser.
 
I prefer the M100s still, but if someone says the above I go "you are entirely correct, the DT770s are more your speed."
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:00 PM Post #111 of 229
Are the M100s even Vmodas best sounding headphone? A lot of people were saying the M80s were the best for a while. I gotta say the M80s surprised me. I would not say it was worth its original MSRP, but probably in the $150 range (which they should be pretty easy to find below that price now). The problem is they are not going to do well in this community as it is not a very detailed phone but more of a fun headphone. I thought they sounded better than the M50s I owned, and the UE6000s I tried. On top of that I found that the headphones scaled pretty well. I think people would be surprised how much the M80s sound was cleaned up playing directly through my DX100 vs an ipod (granted a DX100 would be overkill).
 
I guess I was decently impressed with the M80s, if the M100s are similar then I would not say they are worth the $300. However Vmodas pricing is always all over the place they tend to have ridiculous sales when the next headphone comes out. Radio shack had the M80s on sale for $40 for a while.
 
I also gotta add the Vmoda customer service is top notch. My m80s were missing the case and were from radio shack. I sent them an email about missing the case and how I bought them from radio shack as an open box (in which radio shack is not on their verified sellers list, and open box items are excluded from warranties). They ended up sending me a free case free of charge, not even shipping, and the real kicker is the cases arrived 3 days later.
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:05 PM Post #112 of 229
It depends on if you like the V shape. If so, yes. They have heavy bass, sparkly mids, and a present but recessed midrange. Plus (and this is important) the dual-diaphragm drivers mean the bass doesn't actually screw up the presence of the rest of the spectrum, it's just that they're tuned to sound like that. The M80s are flatter.
 
I admit, READILY, that going from the Pandora Hope VI to the M100 makes its shortcomings more apparent, but... once again, we're talking going from $300 to $800 and I still can't fault the M100 for what they cost. 
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM Post #113 of 229
So you're going to be taking a long walk with the D600 and DT770 or taking them on a bus. Or between classes when you frequently have to take them on and off? 

Yup


What kind of music are you listening to with the M100?


Rock
Rap
Classical
Pop
Metal
EDM

The M100 is quite versatile.
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:39 PM Post #114 of 229
Sounds like the M-100 is a good match for you then. That's great to value them for those qualities. Personally, I don't need those functions in a HP because I never wear HP's out in public. I listen at home with a DAC/AMP looking for highest sound quality. This is why I own a Pro 900 and modded D2000. These are BASSHEAD headphones if there ever was a basshead headphone that both sound far better than the M-100.

When I'm on the go, I listen to IEMS. I think my Yamaha EPH-100 with comply tips sounds better than the M-100's for around half the cost. 

If you want a pretty, portable headphone with decent to good sound, go for it. But to say they are top of the line sound, is wrong, as Alan73 had said in an earlier post.



I read his review. He mentions shortcomings in the sound similar to what we all have here. 

Treble is "a bit unnatural and lacks extension in the highest octaves."

For Mids "audiophiles will hear the mids as a bit withdrawn and veiled."

Imaging is "a little above average"

Audiophiles should "look elsewhere" 

Overall, he liked it for use with modern music, but he certainly noted shortcomings of the sound in his review. Mainly, with the treble and mids, which I agree with.
It's amazing how many people didn't notice how critical Tylls review was of the M100. I actually believe that if Tyll wasn't on good terms with Val he'd be even more critical of the M100.

Tylls wall of fame has also lost a bit of meaning when phones like the UE6000 knock off the K500 but it's all his opinion.
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:40 PM Post #115 of 229
That's precisely why I'm mistrustful. Most guys who buy in bulk either have no idea what to listen for or are fickle perfectionists. But enough of this.


Actually, some guys buy 40 over two years to hone in on what they want the sound to be, and along the way sub-categorize into what we want at home fed by our vintage systems and those fed by portable rigs for running or working out at the gym.  The M100 should have been perfect for that but for the lack of what my ideal sound would be.  And price-wise it doesn't compete with the Q40 and price-neutral with the Pro900 or D600.  TO ME.  Actually the Edition 8 was perfect in every way but I had an opportunity to buy my TH900 so off it went.  That is a badass little portable. 
 
Look, it's all about preference here.  You love the M100 sound, good for you.  Spidernahn (sorry if I misspelled it) made a perfect case for him using the M100 what with the versatility, phone call taking, etc.  It works for HIM and is a great solution for him.  Made complete sense.
 
I've only referenced my range of experience to illustrate why I did it - not to be a frequent shipper at the UPS store but to realize what I like and what sounds the best to me.  The M100 is not good enough for me in my portable quest - not even close.  Wish it had been.  Besides, it's fun to try new things and how else do you know what your ideal sound signature is without giving a wide range a chance? 
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:43 PM Post #116 of 229
Actually, some guys buy 40 over two years to hone in on what they want the sound to be, and along the way sub-categorize into what we want at home fed by our vintage systems and those fed by portable rigs for running or working out at the gym.  The M100 should have been perfect for that but for the lack of what my ideal sound would be.  And price-wise it doesn't compete with the Q40 and price-neutral with the Pro900 or D600.  TO ME.  Actually the Edition 8 was perfect in every way but I had an opportunity to buy my TH900 so off it went.  That is a badass little portable. 

Look, it's all about preference here.  You love the M100 sound, good for you.  Spidernahn (sorry if I misspelled it) made a perfect case for him using the M100 what with the versatility, phone call taking, etc.  It works for HIM and is a great solution for him.  Made complete sense.

I've only referenced my range of experience to illustrate why I did it - not to be a frequent shipper at the UPS store but to realize what I like and what sounds the best to me.  The M100 is not good enough for me in my portable quest - not even close.  Wish it had been.  Besides, it's fun to try new things and how else do you know what your ideal sound signature is without giving a wide range a chance? 


I've demoed the Pro 900 but don't have the experience of owning them how do you find they compare to the D600. Awesome taste in headphones by the way :wink:
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:55 PM Post #117 of 229
I've demoed the Pro 900 but don't have the experience of owning them how do you find they compare to the D600. Awesome taste in headphones by the way
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I listen to my D600's out of a vintage amp at my work office.  Yoga2 computer--->FiiO E10 DAC---->Realistic STA-64B receiver/amp--->and the bass is so amazingly deep it's much like it's predecessors the D2000 family.  I'm trying to figure out how to get at the cups on the D600 to do the Lawton mods to them.  I'm a tinkerer and live by the 'stock sucks' mantra in everything so though the bass is really good I wonder how great it could be with Lawton damping.  I just got my TH900 back from Mark Lawton and it did make a nice improvement in the tightness of the bass as well as the overall sound so I'd guess the D600 would respond well to it.
 
The Pro900 is one of my portable phones so it gets fed by an Arrow 3G (an amazing portable basshead amp) and I have put Alpha pads on them as well (see my comment about not leaving anything stock above) and really great sound and bass texture of course.  Run the Arrow 3G on second level bass boost as the third level is too much (!) for me. 
 
In short (sorry about the long winded answer - too much coffee this morning) they both scratch the itch most prominent with me - bass response.  They are both comfortable as can be but I'd say I prefer the D600 by a little bit overall.  Something about that Denon sound just does it for me. 
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 3:57 PM Post #118 of 229
Actually, some guys buy 40 over two years to hone in on what they want the sound to be, and along the way sub-categorize into what we want at home fed by our vintage systems and those fed by portable rigs for running or working out at the gym.  The M100 should have been perfect for that but for the lack of what my ideal sound would be.  And price-wise it doesn't compete with the Q40 and price-neutral with the Pro900 or D600.  TO ME.  Actually the Edition 8 was perfect in every way but I had an opportunity to buy my TH900 so off it went.  That is a badass little portable. 

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I've only referenced my range of experience to illustrate why I did it - not to be a frequent shipper at the UPS store but to realize what I like and what sounds the best to me.  The M100 is not good enough for me in my portable quest - not even close.  Wish it had been.  Besides, it's fun to try new things and how else do you know what your ideal sound signature is without giving a wide range a chance? 


That makes a little more sense. Between purchases, in-store demos, friends, meets, and what I've already tried, I end up needing to buy / return / trade only a few. I never thought of myself as lucky or sane before. Thanks. :D
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 9:54 PM Post #119 of 229
Yes!!! the v-modas are very over-rated around here, and I don't know why! like many headfiers, I have tried literally hundreds of headphones. The m100 is a big improvement over the regular crossfades (which are horrid sounding), but they are still very bass-dominant headphones like a monster beats and all their imitators. 
 
Mar 30, 2014 at 10:13 PM Post #120 of 229
  Yes!!! the v-modas are very over-rated around here, and I don't know why! like many headfiers, I have tried literally hundreds of headphones. The m100 is a big improvement over the regular crossfades (which are horrid sounding), but they are still very bass-dominant headphones like a monster beats and all their imitators. 

There's nothing wrong with bass-heavy headphones, and bass-heavy headphones certainly aren't all Beats imitators. If you can say that the V-Modas are bad because they are bass-heavy, based off of that concept you wouldn't be able to say that Grados are good, considering that they are bass-light. I don't know your opinion on Grados by the way, I'm just using them as an example.
 

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