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How to play SACD DSD .iso file in Windows PC ?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

Can anyone please suggest me what is the software that I must use to successfully play .iso file that I have created from SACD DSD disc ?

I have tried to attach it using Daemon tools but it is not recognizable.
post #2 of 18
Are you trying to play it in native DSD or converting it to FLAC?

If you want to do it easily you could use JRiver. It's not free but they offer a trial I believe.

If you want to do it for free you can use Foobar. This is going to require setting it up and I'm not sure to proper steps for that. I'm sure you can find a guide somewhere on the internet.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radioking59 View Post

Are you trying to play it in native DSD or converting it to FLAC?

If you want to do it easily you could use JRiver. It's not free but they offer a trial I believe.

If you want to do it for free you can use Foobar. This is going to require setting it up and I'm not sure to proper steps for that. I'm sure you can find a guide somewhere on the internet.

Ah ok, I'll give it a try.
Does in this case I will need to buy separate hardware for that ?
post #4 of 18

No hardware needed.  If you're using foobar, you need only the various software plugins like foo_input_sacd,

post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watcherq View Post

No hardware needed.  If you're using foobar, you need only the various software plugins like foo_input_sacd,

Cool, thanks man !
post #6 of 18

No prob.  Note that the DSD->PCM is a little demanding on this.  On normal Intel i3, i5 processors are fine.  On duo core Atom processors, not enough; you would need a DAC that does DSD.  Nowadays there quite a few of them like the iFI, iDSD Nano.

post #7 of 18

A dual core atom can on Foobar2k can playback SACD ISO DSD but only in stereo mode. It chokes if you try to play multichannel SACDs.

post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watcherq View Post

No prob.  Note that the DSD->PCM is a little demanding on this.  On normal Intel i3, i5 processors are fine.  On duo core Atom processors, not enough; you would need a DAC that does DSD.  Nowadays there quite a few of them like the iFI, iDSD Nano.

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Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

A dual core atom can on Foobar2k can playback SACD ISO DSD but only in stereo mode. It chokes if you try to play multichannel SACDs.

Cool, many thanks for the explanation again people.

My PC is core i5 already :-)

I'm thinking to upgrade my Sound Card into Asus Xonar STX http://www.asus.com/Sound_Cards_and_DigitaltoAnalog_Converters/Xonar_Essence_STX/ would that helps in terms of sound quality to play SACD / DSD or even Blu Ray Audio ?
post #9 of 18

I'm confused, first it is not possible to record SACD DSD output, stereo or multi-channel. It will be converted to analog  in SACD player or sent to pre amp over HDMI for conversion. That leaves us with  DSD downloads in stereo only I believe. Downloading these and then converting to analog is where the process/procedure/equipment eludes me. So far, I've only come across one solution, a DSD stereo DAC, there a few out there now. Some have software for PC. Thing is, where do I find DSD music to download? And where's the multi channel DSD?

post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by sterling1 View Post
 

I'm confused, first it is not possible to record SACD DSD output, stereo or multi-channel. It will be converted to analog  in SACD player or sent to pre amp over HDMI for conversion. That leaves us with  DSD downloads in stereo only I believe. Downloading these and then converting to analog is where the process/procedure/equipment eludes me. So far, I've only come across one solution, a DSD stereo DAC, there a few out there now. Some have software for PC. Thing is, where do I find DSD music to download? And where's the multi channel DSD?

 

Sony Playstation 3s with 3.55 firmware can take SACDs and make digital copies of them via a program called SACD Ripper. You can make ISO, or DSDIFF, or DSF file outputs, all of which the Foobar 2k player can read and playback (convert to PCM) with the SACD foobar plugin. Also you can burn a copy of the ISO to a standard DVD and play it on any SACD player that does not use the pit-reading-method (IIRC only Oppo DVD players, and the Oppo BDP-80 and BDP-83 can playback these ISOs as pure DSD through HDMI or analog outputs).

 

Very few online retailers offer DSD downloads, so most people just buy SACDs and rip them with an old PS3. I actually bought an old PS3 for that purpose, and managed to archive some pretty rare albums like Mariah Carey's #1s, Titanic Soundtrack, Ayumi Hamasaki's My Story, Beyonce's Survivor, Shania Twain's Up!, and Globe Sessions by Sheryl Crow. Most of these are so rare that I haven't even seen them pop up on torrent sites yet.


Edited by astrallite - 3/2/14 at 12:54pm
post #11 of 18

Right now, DSD downloads (this covers .dff, .dsf, .wsd) are not that common, especially not on iTunes and its equivalent.  However, there are quite a few niche retailers including 2L.no, Blue Coast Records, Acoustic Sound's super hirez, Opus 3 Records and Nativedsd.com.  Again their genre is not *that* wide, mostly classical or Jazz, but then again, I remembered that was how CD started off.

 

There *are* multi-channel DSD for purchase/download and there are players like Exasound's e28 that plays the multi-channel back without down-channeling into stereo.


Edited by Watcherq - 3/3/14 at 12:45am
post #12 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watcherq View Post
 

Right now, DSD downloads (this covers .dff, .dsf, .wsd) are not that common, especially not on iTunes and its equivalent.  However, there are quite a few niche retailers including 2L.no, Blue Coast Records, Acoustic Sound's super hirez, Opus 3 Records and Nativedsd.com.  Again their genre is not *that* wide, mostly classical or Jazz, but then again, I remembered that was how CD started off.

 

There *are* multi-channel DSD for purchase/download and there are players like Exasound's e28 that plays the multi-channel back without down-channeling into stereo.


I think the cheapest way to play DSD from computer to HT would be through a HT receiver, heck you can buy a Sony STR-5800ES for a 1/3 less than the Exasound e28 and it does more, a lot more.


Edited by sterling1 - 3/5/14 at 1:01pm
post #13 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by sterling1 View Post
 


I think the cheapest way to play DSD from computer to HT would be through a HT receiver, heck you can buy a Sony STR-5800ES for a 1/3 less than the Exasound e28 and it does more, a lot more.

 

Most receivers can't play multiple inputs at the same time though. The reason we want to rip it to the computer is not just for archival purposes (as most SACDs are no longer produced, so there's no way to rebuy them) but also for convenience, watch youtube, play games, and also listen to our DSD collection :D


Edited by astrallite - 3/5/14 at 6:13pm
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

Most receivers can't play multiple inputs at the same time though. The reason we want to rip it to the computer is not just for archival purposes (as most SACDs are no longer produced, so there's no way to rebuy them) but also for convenience, watch youtube, play games, and also listen to our DSD collection biggrin.gif

Wow,that's a truly home theater kind of device ;-)
Thanks for the suggestion mate.
post #15 of 18

Easily get those SACD ISO audio and video files
to play for you, and resolve the problem of
"Windows can't access this disc",
by installing Foobar2000,
and the Foobar SACD component.

.
For those like me who lack the experience
and knowledge of the typical Head-Fi member,
to this discussion that helped me on my way,
I would like to add the following beginner's instructions.
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[2016.02.27]
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+++
.
Usually, I can open *.iso files
after I first mount them
with 'MagicDisk', or 'Gizmo-Drive'.
But, although SACD *.iso files will mount,
when I try to play them, or access them,
it results in the error,
"Windows can't access this disc."
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Foobar2000
.
Foobar2000 media player is an easy solution
if you use the following instructions
which will guide you to:
1.) Install the latest version of Foobar2000, and...
2.) Install the Super Audio CD Decoder (sacd)
component via the Foobar2000 program.
.
Foobar2000 is free (freeware),
and completely free of any additional addons.
(No nuisance toolbars. No other programs.
No nonsense.)
.
1.)
Download Foobar2000, and Run the *.exe file.
.
Go to:
http://www.foobar2000.org/download
.
Near the page top,
under the heading 'Latest stable version',
click the underlined portion of
"Download foobar2000 v.(...)".
.
That should immediately begin the download.
(or give you the option to 'Run' the installation,
depending on your computer system setup.)
.
I recommend downloading it.
.
If you downloaded it, double-click
on the *.exe file to install it.
.
I used all of the default options
during the installation.
.
I also simply closed the window
'Quick Appearance Setup',
without making any changes.
It only runs, however,
the first time Foobar starts.
.
The Foobar 'Standard installation'
creates two folders on your system:
.
For one,
'C:\Program Files (x86)\foobar2000'
is created on 64-bit systems, while
'C:\Program Files\foobar2000'
is created on 32-bit systems.
.
And also a folder named 'foobar2000'
is created within your user data,
as for example with Windows 8, at
'C:\Users\zzr\AppData\Roaming\foobar2000'
.
2.)
Download and Install 'Component' "SACD".
.
Unfortunately, I could not find 'SACD'
on the foobar2000.org page 'Components'
http://www.foobar2000.org/components
which does have a variety of other things
you might have an interest in.
.
Luckily, however, you can get
the 'SACD' component by going to page:
.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/sacddecoder/files/foo_input_sacd/
.
Near the page-top is a line the reads,
'Looking for the latest version? "Download
foo_input_sacd-0.*.*.zip (*.* MB)".
.
I assume that version is the latest stable one,
which today is 'foo_input_sacd-0.8.4.zip (1.7 MB)',
but I really do not know. In the list below it,
version '0.9.6' is available, and has had
1,514 downloads listed in the column
'Downloads/Week', versus 2.728 for version 0.8.4,
and so you might want to use the version
that is presently at the top of the list
instead of using the version listed with
'Looking for the latest version?...'.
.
I will say that after I installed the
'Looking for the latest version?...' version,
and then I checked for updates using Foobar,
Foobar then responded,
'No updates are available at this time.'
.
So, in conclusion, while you are at that webpage,
you might want to get both the
'Looking for the latest version?...' version,
as well as the version just under
the 'readme.txt' link.
.
After downloading either version (or both),
you need to extract the contents
of the *.zip file. Recent versions of Windows
have a built-in extractor,
though you can always use
the freeware program '7zip'
available at www.7-zip.org'
.
To extract the contents using Windows
(also known as 'uncompress', or 'de-archive'),
RIGHT-click on the *.zip file,
and in the drop-down menu,
click "Extract All...".
.
That will create a new folder
that contains the files
- 'ASIOProxyInstall-0.8.3.exe'
- 'foo_input_sacd.fb2k-component'
and two folders
- 'filters'
- 'src'
.
Only the file
'foo_input_sacd.fb2k-component'
is needed for you to install 'SACD',
and to get the files playing.
.
You can install either version of 'SACD',
using the following
component installation process,
and then you will be prompted
to allow Foobar2000 to restart.
.
Then, after the program restarts,
you can repeat the process
to just as easily install a different version
of 'SACD', in the unlikely event
that one of them does not work for you.
.
No problems, no worries.
.
To install a version
of the 'SACD' component,
start Foobar2000,
(if it is not already running)
and in the main menu at the top
of the Foobar program window,
click "File", and in the drop-down menu,
click "Preferences".
.
At the window 'Preferences: Components',
go to the bottom-right,
and click the button "Install..".
.
In the window 'Install Component',
navigate on your computer
to wherever you extracted the file
'foo_input_sacd.fb2k-component'.
(The file has the same name
for each version.)
.
Either:
- Double-click on the file
'foo_input_sacd.fb2k-component', or...
- Click on it once to highlight it,
and then click the bottom button "Open".
.
Back at the window 'Preferences: Components',
click on the either of the bottom-right buttons
- "OK", or...
- "Apply".
It does not matter which:
They both do the same thing.
.
At the little new pop-up window
"foobar 2000 preferences",
allow Foobar to restart by clicking
"OK".
.
(Caution: The volume is initially set
at 100% :o)
.
---
.
To uninstall Foobar with Windows,
first close Foobar so that it is
no longer running.
.
Go to 'Control panel' >>
'Programs and Features'.
.
At the window 'Programs and Features',
double-click on 'Foobar2000 v*.*.*'
(or click it once to highlight it,
and then click the list-top item
'Uninstall').
.
In the un-installation pop-up window
named 'foobar2000 Uninstall',
you will need to put a check-mark
in the box for
'Remove configuration data from (...)'
to have the user data folder
automatically deleted.
.
If you remove the user data folder,
and you reinstall Foobar,
you will again see the window
'Quick Appearance Setup'
when Foobar runs for the first time.
.
If you do not delete the user data folder
'foobar2000' before you reinstall Foobar,
the window 'Quick Appearance Setup',
will not appear when Foobar runs
the first time.
(If you care :o)
.
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You may or may not want to bookmark this page
so that you have easy access
to these instructions in the future;
or copy and paste them into a new
text file on your computer.
.
The URL for this page is
http://www.head-fi.org/t/707725/how-to-play-sacd-dsd-iso-file-in-windows-pc
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"All the best; intended."
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- Christopher James Francis Rodgers


Edited by CJF Rodgers - 5/5/16 at 3:42pm
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