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Hifiman he-400i Impressions and Discussion

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Just announced yesterday at CES with a few lines of info from Steve Guttenberg. I thought I might as well get the ball rolling. This one should be interesting. ;) 

 

HE 400i impressions:

 

Build Quality and Comfort

 

No matter how good the sound of a headphone, if you have a model that is poorly constructed or prone to break it will be difficult to enjoy and appreciate them in the long run.  Despite some problems with build quality on earlier hifiman models, there are simply no problems to report here.  I’m very appreciative of the crew at hifiman who’ve listened to the community and redesigned the 400i, making the quality, fit, and finish leagues above most offerings.  I just love the design choices here. The paint is beautiful and some of the best looking painted cups in the business.  The color is difficult to photograph, but looks much like the he4.  I call it black chrome. The suspension pad is without a fault in choice of material and fit. The adjustment of the headband comes with solid clicks and feels very secure.

 

Comfort, while previously questionable on older models, now leads the way with some of the most comfortable headphones I’ve had the pleasure to wear.  The clamp, reduced weight, and pad construction are exceptional and offer a headphone that can be worn easily for hours with no fatigue.

 

My only real complaint with the design of the headphone is the connectors. I just don’t like them, period. I know that many of you have never had problems but please appreciate that many have. There are just too many very nice single click and forget it connectors to be using these screw on type.  The cable is improved this time and with a nice insulated jacket and is more flexible.  But mine is only about six feet and I’d prefer a slightly longer cable.

 

Sound Quality

 

So now that I’ve proclaimed the 400i wonderfully redesigned and supremely comfortable, how do they sound?  I’m happy to say this this is a great sounding headphone.  There is good balance across the spectrum with that signature warm tilt of the sub bass. The bass blends well into the mids without bleeding into the vocals in any perceivable way.

 

And just what about that bass? Does it retain the wonderful extension and weight of the original he400? Well, almost. Previously the only bass that I’ve found to surpass he400 bass was the LCD 2.2 (pre-fazor). For extension, weight and texture it just doesn’t get any better than the lcd 2.2. I’ll give them a 10/10 for bass presentation in my book. The original he400 for me would rank a 9.0, while the 400i comes in at 8.0. Overall, across different  genres of music, the he400 seems to go down a little deeper and with better weight than the 400i. I’d call it a difference of about 15%. Disappointed? Don’t be. I’m certainly not. Let me explain why.

 

Other than the slight difference in sub bass, there is nothing that the 400i doesn’t trump the 400 on. The mids on the 400 are rich and tonally accurate. In fact, the only headphone that I’ve found to improve on the mids, in this price category, is the hd6x00. And the difference is surprisingly small. No tizzy, peaky treble here either. Just smooth and extended. The 400i is just a joy to listen to and does most every genre of music well. For me personally, the weak mids and peaky treble made the original 400 relegated that headphone to EDM, Dub and Chillstep. The 400i does those genres well also but now also does vocal centric music just as enjoyably. There’s a little sparkle to the treble but nothing harsh. Guitar plucks have a nice leading edge. Hi hat cymbals and drum brushwork come across clearly and naturally without getting muddy or unrefined. It’s a very good balance of sound.

 

I'll admit that I’m a poor judge of sound stage. I suppose it’s in the anatomy of my ear canals. I’ll leave this category to be judged by others who have a better appreciation for the subtle differences in this category.

 

Conclusion

 

Overall, I’m very pleased with the results with the 400i. There is enough sub bass to offer plenty of  a fun factor and enough good natural tone to the mids to be taken seriously with vocally centered music.  The goal stated by Hifiman was to voice the 400i similarly to he500. I’ll go on record and say that they accomplished that goal. Those two headphones are very similar in their voicing and overall sound signature.  This is a compelling headphone and should make a lot of waves in its price bracket against the likes of the venerable Sennheiser hd6x00 and soon the Oppo PM-2 to name just a few.  My hat is off to Fang and everyone on the Hifiman Team for an excellent product.

 

:beerchug:

 

Miscellaneous:

 

*all testing was done through the Oppo HA-1/Normal Gain/Single ended

 

*Focus A-Pads came on this unit


Edited by MattTCG - 8/1/14 at 5:06pm
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From CES:

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57616687-47/hifimans-advanced-headphone-tech-at-ces-2014-improves-sound-quality/

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Well, I am always excited about new stuff. I am sure that Hifiman is going to move in the right directions - greater efficiency, possibly greater comfort.

 

But until I can find out about how they sound, I am so far a bit underwhelmed. The head band design looks like a step backwards (more ungainly and no padding), the cup design indicates recycling of some parts, and it appears to be using more plastic overall. Hopefully, distortion will be further suppressed. The "i" is a little tacky, at this point, and I hope is not a sign that they are supposed to be some sort of Apple-gratifier. I am actually a little bummed they seem to be keeping the screw-on connectors and probably cheap canare cable. For $500 bucks, I'd expect some more spit and polish in the cord department!

 

I am also wondering if the 400i's update the existing 400's drivers, and if the sound signature will change much.

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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

Well, I am always excited about new stuff. I am sure that Hifiman is going to move in the right directions - greater efficiency, possibly greater comfort.

 

But until I can find out about how they sound, I am so far a bit underwhelmed. The head band design looks like a step backwards (more ungainly and no padding), the cup design indicates recycling of some parts, and it appears to be using more plastic overall. Hopefully, distortion will be further suppressed. The "i" is a little tacky, at this point, and I hope is not a sign that they are supposed to be some sort of Apple-gratifier. I am actually a little bummed they seem to be keeping the screw-on connectors and probably cheap canare cable. For $500 bucks, I'd expect some more spit and polish in the cord department!

 

I am also wondering if the 400i's update the existing 400's drivers, and if the sound signature will change much.

Oh there's no doubt comfort is improved. The headband is now suspension strap (meaning it self-adjusts to the head curvature) and is twice as wide as the headband before, meanwhile a big chunk of weight is reduced relative to HE400. Also apparently the cable entries are angled now kinda like Audeze, and they are implementing new official earpads. All in all ergonomics are improved on all fronts at least on paper.

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The sound signature will have to be pretty impressive when you can grab an he500 for about this price on a used model. But I'm still expected good things from this new model. 

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I'm willing to bet a lot of people probably wouldn't care about the sound so much if the comfort is drastically improved.

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^^ I don't see why we can't have both. :biggrin:  This will not be the he400 (old) in a new body and housing. They have reworked they driver. Let's just hope that it's for the welcome. 

 

Oh, Raven...welcome to my thread on the new he400i...:tongue:

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Well, I am pumped that the HE-400i seems to be 'generationally' improved. I didn't realize the specifics of the ergonomics, so, it is encouraging. I don't think I will ever like the shape of the headband however. But improved comfort and lighter weight can't but help to make them a bit more comfy.

 

If they are demonstrated to be an overall upgrade to the 400s, with the same somewhat 'aggressive' sound, I will probably sell the 400s and give them a try!

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I don't honestly care that much about looks. Once it's on your head it makes no difference. Headphones generally look a little goofy anyway. Take a gander at the Abyss. ;)

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I don't honestly care that much about looks. Once it's on your head it makes no difference. Headphones generally look a little goofy anyway. Take a gander at the Abyss. ;)

You should include the beauty shot of the 400i in the first post btw.

 

 

http://cdn.head-fi.org/c/c7/c7ccf1a2_147_237175_011610ef1dfd23a.jpeg

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You should include the beauty shot of the 400i in the first post btw.

 

 

http://cdn.head-fi.org/c/c7/c7ccf1a2_147_237175_011610ef1dfd23a.jpeg

damn that is some slick photography skillz. makes this pair of headphones look sexy w/ niice curves =P lollerwaggons

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One thing I do not like about that picture.  You can see the seam-line of the plastic gimbals.  Production versions better have a nice-smooth finish that feels solid and not utterly plasticky. 

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It looks so much more refined to me. I like how they Incorporated the logo. 

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Jerg...did you hear that they were redesigning the pads? I wasn't sure based on your earlier comments exactly what you meant. 

 

The more that I look at the close up pic of the 400i, the more that I'm diggin' it. I don't mind it at all. In fact I'm liking it. Just don't give up all that original bass. Kill the tizz and refine the mids, so that I can enjoy some nice vocals and that'd make one hell of a hp. 

 

Come hifiman, don't let me down. :popcorn:


Edited by MattTCG - 1/9/14 at 6:01pm
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Yea no kidding, the bass is so delightful on the he400s. I upgraded to the LCD2s because I couldnt take the tizzzzz. 

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