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Please help me with advise, which headphones should I buy

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 

Hey guys, thank you for visiting this thread.

I'm confused which headphones should I buy, I listen to all kind of music, but my main is rap, I also listen to instrumental music alot, jazz etc. In one word I listen all type of music! (except death core, heavy metal, gore etc)

Most of the time I listen to music on my iphone. I have 600 $ to spend on headphones, I'm at a point buying beats by dre studio, I know there are better headphones out there and I know that beats are mainstream, that's why I'm asking you guys with suggestion who have more experience with headphones and marketing in this section.

P.S. I had Chambers premium by RZA they are not bad at all, but head panel broke like in 3 months, when I just wanted to put them on my head, so don't buy them :D

Thank you for your future replies and merry xmas and happy new year

post #2 of 30

You have not said about open design or close design

open design = HE 500, close design = alpha dog

I assumed that you have a good dac/amp to drive HE 500

post #3 of 30
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your reply, close design I prefer more :)

I will go check on your suggestions

post #4 of 30

can you describe about your current set up? computer or ipod? do you have a dedicated dac/amp? what is the quality of music files (flac or 128 kbps mp3 or 320 kbps mp3)?

post #5 of 30
Thread Starter 

usually it's mp3/320 kbps, listening music on the go or at work with my iphone 4s, don't have any dac or amp, sometimes flac files on my laptop, hope I answered your questions

post #6 of 30

mp3 320 kbps is okay. What is your requirement? Do you want a headphone on the go and also to use with laptop?

 

You can also look at mad dog, AKG K 550, Beyerdynamic DT 770 and sennheiser momentum.

Mad dog and alpha dog are planar phones. They need an amp.

You can consider such as,  Fiio E17 (http://fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000014895351&MenuID=105026002) or JDS C5D (http://www.jdslabs.com/products/84/c5d-amplifier-dac/)

post #7 of 30
Thread Starter 

So I thought it would be good if I will buy Beyerdynamic DT 770 and order C5D Amplifier + DAC, would be better then beats pro?

+ it would 60$ cheaper,

 

any thoughts or suggestions?

post #8 of 30

First of all, the headphones that I listed out are far better than overpriced Beats.

 

You may need a dac/amp to use with computer, because on board soundcard of laptop usually does not produce good sound quality. If you go for dac/amp, you can bypass on board soundcard and it can be used as an amp on the go with iphone.

DT 770 comes in different versions, you can go for 250 Ohm version, if you buy a dac/amp.

post #9 of 30
Thread Starter 

Yeah I found 250 ohm version, but what is difference between http://www.jdslabs.com/products/84/c5d-amplifier-dac/ and http://www.jdslabs.com/products/70/c5-headphone-amplifier/

I need amplifier only for headphones so I should buy the second one?

post #10 of 30
Thread Starter 

Yeah I found 250 ohm version, I have one question what is the difference between http://www.jdslabs.com/products/84/c5d-amplifier-dac/ and http://www.jdslabs.com/products/70/c5-headphone-amplifier/

I need amplifier only for headphones I guess I should buy the second one?

post #11 of 30
Thread Starter 

Yeah I found 250 ohm version,

I have one question what is the difference between c5d-amplifier-dac and c5-headphone-amplifier?

c5-headphone-amplifier is cheaper, I need it only for headphones, so I should buy this one?

post #12 of 30
Thread Starter 

Or second one is not capable with iphone?

post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by mishka View Post
 

Yeah I found 250 ohm version,

I have one question what is the difference between c5d-amplifier-dac and c5-headphone-amplifier?

c5-headphone-amplifier is cheaper, I need it only for headphones, so I should buy this one?

 

 

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Originally Posted by rubinstein View Post
You may need a dac/amp to use with computer, because on board soundcard of laptop usually does not produce good sound quality. If you go for dac/amp, you can bypass on board soundcard and it can be used as an amp on the go with iphone.

 

Dac = digital to analog converter. The music files (mp3 or flac) are stored as digital format (0s and 1s). If we need to listen music, the music file has to be converted from digital to analog signal. That is the duty of the DAC.

 

amp = it only amplifies signal.

 

The difference between C5d dac/amp vs C5 amp: the former is dac/amp combo and second one is only amp. C5d dac/amp can be used to bypass the onboard soundcard of computer or laptop, when it is connected to computer/laptop. When it is connected to iphone, it would work only as an amp.

However, C5 amp does not have dac. It is only an amp.

If you plan to use laptop/computer for listening music, I would recommend you to buy a dac/amp combo instead of just a headphone amp.

 

If you think that c5d is costly, you can also look at E17 dac/amp. That is another option, but cheaper.

post #14 of 30
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Originally Posted by mishka View Post
 

So I thought it would be good if I will buy Beyerdynamic DT 770 and order C5D Amplifier + DAC, would be better then beats pro?

+ it would 60$ cheaper,

 

any thoughts or suggestions?

I don't think the beyer dt 770 would be a good choice for on-the-go as I am pretty sure the 3m cable is non-detachable (not 100% sure though). The HE-500, mad dog/alpha dog, and AKG K550 are all unsuitable for portable usage. You should only stretch to your full $600 budget if you are looking for a very nice audiophile neutral-sound-signature pair of headphones for home-use that requires an amp/dac to sound good (eg. HE-400/alpha dogs/Q701/HD600/HD650 or better)

 

For on-the-go, you want portable, closed options. You can acquire "best-in-the-mid-fi-class" portable, closed headphones at $200-300. Throwing any more money than that at your closed/portable will not give you much improvement in sound quality. Some popular options worth investigating include: Sennheiser Momentum Over-Ear ($300 on sale), nad viso HP 50 ($300), kef m500 ($300), akg k545 ($200 on sale), and the sony mdr-1r ($200-or-less). If you are a basshead, you can consider the V-moda M100 ($300ish) + $20 XL pads. Any of those options without a dac/amp will significantly outperform the beats pro. note: the akg k545 performs just as well (if not better - according to some people) as the $300 offerings if you are looking to save money.

 

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to invest more than 50% of your budget into a dac/amp, but that is a personal opinion. I personally think you can even skip the dac/amp at this stage too for if you want to save money. The portable/closed mid-fi headhones on the market these days are designed to be able to be sufficiently driven out of your mp3 player/smartphone/laptop 3.5 headphone jack, so you do not really need an amp. The improvement in sound from an amp/dac is marginal compared to your upgrading your headphones, but since your budget does stretch that far, I guess you can go for it. [tho if I was in your shoes with that budget I would skip out on the portability & spend the money on a nice set of open headphones for home use ($220-400ish) + amp/dac($100-200ish)+cheap closed/portable($100-200)]

 

If you do decide to get an amp/dac, I personally think you should stick to an entry-level budget portable amp/dac for mid-fi, closed headphones (definitely sub-$200, around the $100 mark)... unless you are planning to upgrade to a nicer more-high-end set of home-use headphones in the future (such as the alpha dogs, q701, he400/he500, sennheiser hd600/650 etc). Otherwise, I think getting the JDS C5D is kind of a waste of money [personal opinion again lol]. Remember you need higher-end headphones to hear a significantly noticeable sonic upgrade to make your dac/amp investment worth it. Most higher-end headphones are geared for home-use, so you can get a more powerful desktop dac/amp rather than overspending to get portability. Mid-fi headphones generally will not scale up that significantly as they are limited by their drivers & closed design, so there is no reason to throw a lot of money at your dac/amp.

 

My recommendations for portable amp/dac set-ups if you are still interested would be Fiio E17 ($130) vs the E07k ($90) vs. Audioquest Dragonfly 1.2 ($150). However, you can get older modes for significantly cheaper such as the Fiio E7 ($70) vs E10 ($75) or Dragonfly 1.0 ($99). 

 

edit: I am unsure of those DACs compatibility with the iphone as I do not have one, it would depend on your iphone version as well. From a quick search, I believe that the iphones w/ the new lightening connection would not really be compatible with most DACs, so you can either spend even more money for something that is compatible or just skip the dac. If you are only using your dac/amp with your iphone, you need to do some more research on what dacs are compatible w/ your iphone model. Personally, I would just to skip the amp/dac. From my experience, I have not noticed a significant sonic upgrade for most closed mid-fi headphones that was worth an extra $100+.

 

Sorry for the long wall of text, but I hope the information was helpful. Please let me know if you have further questions or want impressions on stuff I've owned.


Edited by money4me247 - 12/21/13 at 7:17am
post #15 of 30
Thread Starter 

Thank you for replys

I have looked up on your suggestions and I got my eye on V-Moda CrossFade M-100  AKG K545 and NAD VISO HP50

The thing is now that I live in Latvia and on ebay they don't post worldwide, only V-Moda from HongKong for £195.00 is this legit? (sold over 20)  other sellers sell those for 350 £.  ebay.co.uk/itm/V-Moda-CrossFade-M-100-Over-Ear-Headphones-iPad-iPhone-Android-Shadow-/161015504514?pt=UK_AudioVisualElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Headphones&hash=item257d459e82

 

Any links where I can buy those 3 in europe online shops? And those 3 models will work fine wihout amp/dac on iphone?

Thanks

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