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May 26, 2016 at 4:12 PM Post #16 of 43
I bet it would be very difficult to cut it. they are very solid. that is why they work so good. remember, the still points are metal. solid is good. maybe with a hacksaw but you might ruin it. it fits under everything I have. they are on every component now. they should clear anything. see, I put them under the stock feet. I feel that is how they are best used. however if you have a rack like the pagode it will not leave much space for the vents. if you do not play loud or not class a or tubes it should not be an issue though. I would seriously just put them under the stock feet. they did not do as good on speakers. I had custom made "plinths" for my stand mounts.
 
they will not ship to the uk? I am sure you can use a broker or something but then it will cost a lot. currently at lowes in the us a pack of four is $8! that is a friggen steal for what they do. unfortunately now they are sold out. at least within 500 miles.
 
I just cannot imagine I stumbled across these, tried them and how good they work. you can jump up and down and the tt will not skip. it will on the still points 6. it is funny $8 beats 4 grand. 
 
the cork was good for cheap but these mean business.
 
you can also get the harder durometer commercial blocks but I do not think I would go harder than the ke. 40 durometer is pretty hard. 70 may just transfer the energy right into the component. they make custom too. I wonder if they would make me some 25 durometer to try. the thing is this is commercial vibration control. the cork was a drink coaster. it was good but not these. often audiophile items show up in the strangest of places. they could be selling these at music direct or audio advisor for $200 each. shhh,
 
May 26, 2016 at 5:16 PM Post #17 of 43
Ok, I've pulled the trigger on the KE Plus pads, using good ol' ebay. Although the international shipping costs almost as much as the pads themselves, the total came to a reasonable £29, which hopefully will not invoke the dreaded VAT and import duties, plus the inevitable admin charges by courier for paying the duty etc etc
 
May 26, 2016 at 7:58 PM Post #18 of 43
29 pounds is not too bad. I hope you do not get hit with vat or anything. best of luck on that. I also hope you appreciate these as much as I do. like I said they could be selling these at a music store for $200 each. so just assume you got a bargain! I honestly hope that does not happen though. look what md sells felt dots and blu tac for. stupid. get it on amazon. I am surprised shake away was on ebay. was it for washing machines? it is not really a fluke that these work at all. the very design of them clearly illustrates the usefulness to audio components. I assume they worked better than still points six because they move, albeit very little in all directions. when you jump to test your tt just don't do it too hard and fall through the floor loll. seriously I think you will love these. obviously you saw the merit of them having gone through that much trouble to get them. it is pretty clear what they do. well, let me know when you get them. I imagine it is a couple of weeks?
 
May 31, 2016 at 4:18 AM Post #20 of 43
everything! i am not sure what improvement they make on everything but for the price i just stuck them under everything. if you look at the composition of them they make perfect sense for anything and everything. including your washing machine lol. overal i heard an improvement. perhaps just because there are vibrations in effect here. the honestly made a small difference where the still points 6 at $1,000 each made absolutely none. i think those are just to rigid. vibration control must have some give in all directions. they were $8 for a four pack at lowes with return policy so i had nothing to lose and in fact i feel i gained something.
 
May 31, 2016 at 6:18 PM Post #21 of 43
It's a bit late to ask this question, because the pads are already in shipment, but are the pads likely to scratch my natural wood shelves? It is an alleged audiophile rack, but the wood has only a wax polish for protection.
 
Regarding price, it's great  if you can get them for S8, but the list price is $34, and most of shops I scanned seemed to have them in the range $20-$34. My ebay ones were $23 plus from memory about $18 for international shipping.
 
May 31, 2016 at 7:57 PM Post #22 of 43
they should not scratch wood. one side is roughed up the other is smooth. just make sure you put the smooth side down. i doubt either side would scratch wood though. they were on clearance at lowes because kellet is changing the packaging. i guess lowes is big enough to do that. that is not their regular price. just good timing. for the money put them under everything. however i feel vibration control has only a very small benefit on solid state electronics. put them under a turntable or tubes and jump up and down. even when you are not jumping up and down that explains their benefit. as i said these move in all directions. many expensive audiophile products only move in two planes.
 
Jun 3, 2016 at 6:18 PM Post #23 of 43
it just dawned on me. you could build a really nice tt isolation platform based on these. like the ginko cloud but imo much better. i mean you can envision what i am talking about. explaining what i am thinking wil take a whole page lol. just look at other platforms for your inspiration if you build upon this.
 
Jul 3, 2016 at 11:02 AM Post #24 of 43
My KE pads arrived a while back. Firstly, this is the first time I've noticed the ebay feature that estimates if import duty is to be paid on international shipments. The estimate was that no duty would be applicable - and that's how turned out for me. Yippee!
 
I've only tried the pads with one component - the DAVE, which is a high end DAC that is compact and very solid feeling - not an immediately obvious candidate for extra vibration control. But is does sit on 8 (yes) simple rubber-like domed feet, so it seemed that this aspect does have potential for improvement.
 
The KE pads are 2-1/2 inches square and 1-1/8 inches high. Just about the perfect size for sliding between those domed feet. The pads have 5 layers of different thickness rubber-like substance. Alternating mid-grey to dark grey colour, which, unless spotlit, generally looked black enough under my black DAVE. I could always darken them up with a marker pen if necessary. I placed the smooth side on top, as recommended by the manufacturer. Look, if it's good enough for my 1400 rpm automatic, it's good enough for my DAC! 
 
I should know better than to use common sense in high end tweak-dom, but common sense was that the greater the contact surface area, the more effective the vibration control. So I slid the pads between the domed feet for maximum surface contact. And the result on SQ was… drum roll… erm, not very much at all. I thought I could tell minor differences, but nothing conclusive. So far, so underwhelming.
 
I then tried the 4 pads directly under the 4 outside domed feet, and now this was getting more interesting. There was a jump in dynamics and contrast, with sound images popping out more from the mix, with an attendant increase in size of sound stage. More of a You-Are-There sensation. In particular, the more clearly defined bass increased sound stage height (What is it that causes us to hear bass at the bottom, and treble at the top, of a sound stage? When there's just a single driver in most headphones. Is it just illusion?). This is still an incremental change in the scheme of things, but I would expect to be paying much, much more to get this level of SQ improvement through other means.
 
So, a great result, but there' a fly in the ointment: With Detail Monsters like the Stax SR-009's, there is often a fine line between You-Are-There and In-Yer-Face, and this extra contrast and dynamics didn't always help my brighter recordings.   So one more thing to try: I have a couple of HRS Damping Plates, which are a supa dupa secret formula polymer and aluminium sandwich, which gave some success in the past, but I long ago stopped going too far down that particular route because I find the HRS prices exorbitant for their apparent material content. Anyway, I placed a single HRS plate on DAVE's only flat area, at the power supply end, and lo and behold, the bad detail vanished, without obviously detracting from the good detail. I've never had such an immediately obvious change before with these HRS plates.
 
I'm still coming to terms with this, so work-in-progress, but in the meantime, I'm intrigued enough to order another set of pads. If I can get this much difference under 4 feet, surely doing the same for the remaining 4 feet will be twice as effective? Or is that too much common sense?  
 
Jul 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM Post #25 of 43
I buy this on a CD-Player / Turntable / Speaker etc, but on a DAC / AMP, this is pure illusion and placebo effect in my book sadly, i wish it gave some effect for the mechanical dampening factor, but i cant here it or see what would be in need of dampening, because we do not have anything that can move inside it, and i do not have earth quakes here either and im living on a very solid ground. :ok_hand:

This is beonde common sense, that you could compensate for just the overly bright tone if you only placed the HRS plate underneith the left side of the DAVE.

But!

This evening i tried teori with some Sonic dampers this evening laying around in my store, and im sorry, it gave no effect.
Did also a A-B testing with two Daveś side by side switching back and forth connected to a Audio Research Pre amp, and they sounded truly equal. (Used Aurender W20 as a source feeding both DAVEś)

Have a nice listening evening! :sunglasses:
 
Jul 4, 2016 at 12:59 AM Post #26 of 43
not sure. semiconductors are actually very sensitive to the slightest vibration. so i don't know. i thought in the whole system for what i paid at lowes it was worth every penny. honestly i hear no difference in stillpoints 6. attorney i hope you can manage to get a good sound out of them. it seems like they made some improvement in one place but caused a problem in another. i guess everything depends on the components.
 
i thought it made a nice difference under the blue hawai with the sr009. i guess ymmv. to me it made a difference under the diamond dac v too. perhaps placebo i don't know.i
maybe that dac is not as sturdy as i would expect for the cost. i did not put them under loudspeakers. i have some other home brew deal under them. it is actually a turntable isolation design. you never know what will work. things do not always have to be expensive. to me paying a fortune for feet reaps too little benefit when you can do it for $5usd.
 
Jul 4, 2016 at 1:39 AM Post #27 of 43
This is beonde common sense, that you could compensate for just the overly bright tone if you only placed the HRS plate underneith the left side of the DAVE.

 
Just to be clear, the HRS plate was placed on DAVE's top surface.
 
@music-man, I don't think the pads "caused a problem in another area", just that my system is often close to that fine line I mentioned. It takes only a small shift one way or another to get to the right or wrong side of it. The extra clarity and dynamics brought by the KE pads merely brought a magnifying glass onto the situation.
 
The SR-009's are the best headphones I've heard. They are more neutral than most, but they're not quite perfect. If their frequency response had a slight gentle tilt in favour of the lower frequencies, then tonally they would become perfect for me - and I probably wouldn't be worried about that fine line.
 
So many variables here, including of course the equipment rack that all this sits on, so of course YMMV 
 
Jul 4, 2016 at 4:55 AM Post #28 of 43
i actually love magnifying glass. i have the wrong darn loudspeakers for that but i do own a studio with the proper accoutrements. i was an audio engineer for 40+ years so that is why. now however i am going to sound like a buffoon. i wish the sr009 had more bass! obviously not like beats but i mean just more formidable like at least the hd800 kind of bass. that is not asking a lot. of course i know about ribbon technology you do not have to tell me. i do not know this "dave" guy but i am going to look him up lol.
 
now ot, my brother was a french attorney in france for over 40 years as well. i have no idea why but i just figured i would mention that. well seeing as you have the sr009 it is nice to see attorneys are properly compensated in any established country. that is me being a stupid redneck american haha. 
 
i am serious other things will sound different but do we really need to spend $1,000usd ea. for that vs. $5usd for a set? i guess it all depends how far you will go for the sound you want. i already have a boatload of stillpoints 6 so i already lost my money. i think the ke do a splendid job given the price/performance ratio. of course it will depend how it tilts your system. as pert theattorney. i guess it tilted mine to my liking which given what you said is no wonder. these are very solid but do stop any and all vibration in it's tracks. actually very similar to the stillpoints 6 just not stainless steel and $995 less per each. i think this makes sense. i could go on for hours about vibration and crystal semiconductors. that makes sense in theory as well. it most certainly does. whether it equates to a humans hearing perhaps is a different matter. i bet if you shake the best dac like mad it will start getting errors!
 
oh, btw i highly recommend a pagode master reference rack if anyone is in the market for a new one. then, honestly you can just forget any isolation devices., of course you would have to like the sound of that too.
 
Jul 4, 2016 at 5:03 AM Post #29 of 43
ahhh. i just met dave, good guy! the only thing is he looks like "disco dave". lol. i am sure it sounds very good though. the fcpga is a great way to go. forget sabre and all that. even r2r matter of fact.
 
Jul 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM Post #30 of 43
Update on my KE/HRS experiments:
 
With 8 KE pads under Dave's 8 feet, the SQ improved marginally compared to 4 pads - the jump in SQ not being as obvious as introducing the 4 pads in the first place.  The extra pads didn't help DAVE aesthetically - if I was paying US prices, I'd probably go the whole hog and get even more pads to form a single piece plinth.  And use a black marker pen on the visible surfaces to better match DAVE's black finish. But I'm not in the US, so I'll stick with the 8 pieces I have.
 
I briefly tried the KE pads under my BHSE, bypassing the stock pointy feet - this didn't have much effect on first hearing, so I didn't pursue this any further. 
 
I also briefly tried the HRS damping plate on other components, but the effect was not as obvious as on DAVE.
 
I also tried a second HRS damping plate  on top of the first plate on the top left hand surface of DAVE (which happens to  contain the power supply, which some people would consider to be significant).  This further increased the effect of the first plate, but again it was not by the same margin  as introducing the first plate. On some recordings, the double plate was almost too smooth, and yet there were other aspects to the sound that were very appealing. My SR-009's can take a smoothing effect in their stride, but duller headphones might react less favourably. As the double plate definitely spoiled DAVE's aesthetics compared to single, I'll leave the 2nd one off for now. One day I may try the bigger brother DPX version.
 
So in conclusion, the sandwich of  KE pads below, and HRS plate above, turned out to be a happy synergy that elevated  my DAVE's performance out of all proportion to the cost of these tweaks - even allowing for the relatively high cost of HRS. If you remove HRS from the equation, then the KE pads must be the bargain of the century, but with the usual caution that there are so many variables here that YMMV a lot.
 
Finally, my comments on HRS's smoothing ability should not imply that they act like a simple tone control, because a tone control affects both "good" and "bad" detail at the same rate, whereas the HRS reduced bad detail whilst maintaining the good. This in conjunction with the extra dynamics and contrast brought by the KE pads overall gave more of an impression of a live performance. One end result benefit was an improved sense of depth, which is hard to achieve on headphones, so all the more value when it does happen.
 
Going back to the stock DAVE was no hardship really  - it still sounded fine, just more like a recording than a live event, being flatter,  more subdued and less involving.  And that's enough for me not to go back.
 

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