There's a fascinating recorded rehearsal tape in the album between LaFaro and Evans working on my foolish heart

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There's a fascinating recorded rehearsal tape in the album between LaFaro and Evans working on my foolish heart

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cool gonna check this out, t h a n k s !

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Hey all...

I know zero about jazz...like zero!

I have listened to some Coltrane and Thelonious Monk and liked some tracks...tried the same with Miles Davis,didnt find too much I liked.

Can anyone recommend a few Jazz 101 CDs to pick-up from the guys i mentioned above,or of similar sounds...again jazz 101...jazz that anyone will like....even me

monsterzero said:

Hey all...


I know zero about jazz...like zero!


I have listened to some Coltrane and Thelonious Monk and liked some tracks...tried the same with Miles Davis,didnt find too much I liked.


Can anyone recommend a few Jazz 101 CDs to pick-up from the guys i mentioned above,or of similar sounds...again jazz 101...jazz that anyone will like....even me

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Don't give up too quickly on Miles. He went through a lot of phases. If you haven't listened to "Kind of Blue" try that.

Other suggestions:

Saxophone Colossus - Sonny Rollins
Sunday at the Village Vanguard - Bill Evans
Moanin' - Art Blakey*
Ah Um - Charles Mingus

And more Monk and Coltrane.

I could go on, but I'll let others do that.

*Correction - the album is called "Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers." Moanin' is the best known track. You could also get the Blue Note "best of" compilation instead.

Might find it useful to go back to the beginning of this thread and work your way through.  You'll find tons of recommendations for those just getting started -- Jazz 101.

jegnyc said:

Don't give up too quickly on Miles. He went through a lot of phases. If you haven't listened to "Kind of Blue" try that.

Other suggestions:

Saxophone Colossus - Sonny Rollins
Sunday at the Village Vanguard - Bill Evans
Moanin' - Art Blakey*
Ah Um - Charles Mingus

And more Monk and Coltrane.

I could go on, but I'll let others do that.

*Correction - the album is called "Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers." Moanin' is the best known track. You could also get the Blue Note "best of" compilation instead.

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Thanks..is there any standout Coltrane,Davis,Monk CDs that stand out more than others?

The first few pages do indeed have many suggestions (I just went back to check it out myself). Somewhere in this thread I posted a basic jazz library, but it's late to go searching for it (and it's likely similar to the ones in the first few pages). I started out learning about Jazz in a college class, and we used The Smithsonian Collection of Classic Jazz add or text. It has much of the best stuff from the early 20th century on, with great notes to explain stuff (I believe it is still available). Time Life has 3 record box sets dedicated to a single artist, and this was also a real storehouse of information (not sure they are still available, but would be dirty cheap used. I'd part with my old vinyl version). As far as Coltrane for beginners, John Coltrane/Duke Ellington is a great start, as is his date with the singer Johnny Hartman. Any Blue Note Monk is great, and the dates that Coltrane did with Monk (he was Monk's sideman) are also fabulous. Miles Davis started out a Charlie Parker's sideman, and while this isn't the best Miles, Parker is essential (Parker with Dizzy Gillespie is bebop heaven). Could go on for pages, but that should hold you a while (I have most of this on vinyl; it has been reissued in various forms on CD and now on downloads).
Have fun!

jazzi said:

  Might find it useful to go back to the beginning of this thread and work your way through.  You'll find tons of recommendations for those just getting started -- Jazz 101.

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Yeah,140+ pages is a bit much to wade thru.Im a metalhead thru and thru and even when I go to the metal thread,most of what others post,I cannot stand.

On a side note i did like the more laid back sound of the previously suggested Bill Evans....any thoughts on others similar?

monsterzero said:

Yeah,140+ pages is a bit much to wade thru.Im a metalhead thru and thru and even when I go to the metal thread,most of what others post,I cannot stand.


On a side note i did like the more laid back sound of the previously suggested Bill Evans....any thoughts on others similar?

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The Modern Jazz Quartet. - European Concert (or the Final Concert)
Getz and Gilberto
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue
Joe Henderson - Lush Life (or So Near, So Far)

Edit - Bill Evans and John Coltrane both play on "Kind of Blue" - which I think you should listen to.

Duke Ellington /John Coltrane
John Coltrane Ballads
Jim Hall/Ron Carter Duo
Ben Webster meets Gerry Mulligan
Clifford Brown and Max Roach

And, again, you don't have to go pp through the whole thread lots in the first 3 pages. I just tried to catch up with 2 threads On The Focal Elear, each 70 pages, got through 30 of each, couldn't finish. But, going through this thread for lists shouldn't be as bad. Most pages are just pictures of album covers, and lists should be obvious just scrolling through the pages. I'll see if I can find a few minutes to look through it later.

Bill Evans at the Village Vanguard albums are fabulous, as is any of his Riverside stuff.

Some lists I've found...





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Miles Davis is IMHO the greatest jazz artist ever, you can't really go wrong.. Beware he has done a lot of experimenting with jazz-rock and fusion stuff in the late 60's and 70's, this is actually what I like best but most jazz-purists hate him for it.
Some more jazz I can recommend:

- John Coltrane: Blue Train, My Favorite Things
- Thelonious Monk: Live at the It Club - Complete
- Herbie Hancock: Maiden Voyage, Headhunters (really funky!)
- Dave Brubeck
- Stan Getz

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I can't say my rig is designed for jazz, but I've been a listener for a long time. Here are a few of my faves:



Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk

Wes Montgomery: Full House

Lee Morgan: Lee-Way

John Coltrane: Live at the Village Vanguard

Ornette Coleman: The Shape of Jazz to Come

Elvin Jones: Genesis (I had the pleasure of meeting him backstage in Seattle in '99 - one of the greatest experiences of my life!)

Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (can't recall the name of the album, but it's from live show in Florida in the early-mid 80s and features Wynton Marsalis on trumpet)



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...still trying to think of the ones that have stood out for me/the standards everyone pointed me to when I started looking into the genre:



Other odds and ends:



Bill Evans-Portrait in Jazz

John Coltrane-My Favorite Things

John Coltrane-A Love Supreme

John Coltrane-Lush Life

A nice, broad coverage of Coltrane is done in the Impulse best of series "Coltrane: his Greatest Years" volume 1, 2 and 3....

Cannonball Adderly-Somethin' Else

Charles Mingus-Ah Um

Dave Brubeck-Time Out (if I had a penny for every time I found this in a box of records at a yard sale I would be a millionaire by now...)



Getting a little freakier now:



Wayne Shorter-the All Seeing Eye

Ornette Coleman-Free Jazz A Collective Improvization

Sun Ra-the Heliocentric Worlds of Sun Ra

Sun Ra-Atlantis

Pharoah Sanders-Black Unity

Alice Coltrane-Journey in Satchidinanda

Herbie Hancock-Sextant

Herbie Hancock-Crossings






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Audio&Me:

I'm not very much into vocal jazz so I can't help you there.

However, if you liked Miles Davis and John Coltrane I would suggest that you check out some of the following albums which would be classified as "bop" or "hard bop" from the 50s and 60s.

Dexter Gordon - "Go" (Blue Note)

Art Blakey - "Moanin'" (Blue Note)

Bill Evans - "Sunday at the Village Vanguard" (Fantasy)

Joe Henderson - "Page One" (Blue Note)

Charles Mingus - "Mingus Ah Um" (Columbia) or "Blues and Roots" (Atlantic)

Hank Mobley - "Soul Station" (Blue Note)

Thelonious Monk - "Monk's Music" (Fantasy)

Wes Montgomery - "Incredible Jazz Guitar" or "Full House" (Fantasy) (Wes is considered one of the greats if not the greatest jazz guitarist)

Lee Morgan - "The Sidewinder" (Blue Note)

Oliver Nelson - "The Blues and the Abstract Truth" (Impulse)

Art Pepper - "Meets the Rhythm Section" (Fantasy)

Oscar Peterson - "Night Train" (Verve)

Bud Powell - "Amazing Bud Powell Vol. I" (Blue Note)

Sonny Rollins - "Saxophone Colossus" or "Way Out West" (Fantasy)

Horace Silver - "Song for My Father" (Blue Note)


This are all considered absolute classics from jazz's golden era from the mid 50s to the mid 60s. I have tried to limit my recommendations to selections that are accessible and are not "out there" or avant-garde. If you really dig the albums above you can work your way up to the free jazz/avant stuff if that interests you.

A word about sound quality. All of the albums I have recommended above are available with fairly recent and excellent sounding remastering jobs. The Blue Notes are available in a series called the "RVG" series and they sell for the bargain price of about $11.99. The Fantasy's are availble in a series called the "K2" remaster series which has just been released in the past year/year and a half. Make sure you get the most recent remasters of these albums for the best sound quality possible. These are still old recordings, of course but the recent remasters are much better than their old (circa late 1980s) counterparts.

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Habib:

For Ella try "The Best of the Songbooks." It's on the Verve label and I've listened to my CD at least a hundred times. It's a compilation of the best songs from her "songbook" series. Here's the description from allmusic.com:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=7:33:54|PM&sql=A4zrx28gr053a[COLOR=FF00AA][/COLOR]



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Man I can give you a whole list of cool stuff, here we go...

John Coltrane - Blue Train - you must get this one. It has become one of my favorites, and if you like the trombone player (I play trombone, so I really like him), then you should get...

Curtis Fuller - New Trombone - this one has Sonny Red on sax, and if you like his style of playing, then you should check out

Sonny Rollins - Volume 2 - and here you will find one of the most respected jazz trombonists ever, J.J. Johnson (and he has a whole load of great cd's). But this album just has awesome players on it... like

Art Blakey (drums) - A Night in Tunisia - Moanin' - Roots and Herbs
Horace Silver (piano) - Horace-Scope - Blowin' the Blues Away
Thelonius Monk (piano) - I really don't have any of his stuff
Paul Chambers (bass)

And you should also check out some of this...

Lee Morgan - Cornbread - The Sidewinder
Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones
Clifford Brown - Brown and Roach, Inc.
John Coltrane - Giant Steps (showing his truly technical ability), and definately, A Love Supreme (you even get to hear him sing... kinda, heh)
Art Farmer - Modern Art
Miles Davis - Workin'
Dave Brubeck - Time Out - Time Further Out (I guess as a basis if you like this style of jazz)
Joshua Redman - Timeless Tales
Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters - Cantaloupe Island

I'm gonna have to pick up that My Funny Valentine concert album... man, Ron Carter on bass? and all of the rest of the players... that's sweet stuff.

if you like big band music, check out some Buddy Rich, or Stan Kenton...

oh and maaan, you gotta check out some Jimmy Smith! what an awesome organ player... get Back at the Chicken Shack or something.. maybe House Party? it's got Donald Bailey and Art Blakey on drums, Lee Morgan on trumpet, some Curtis Fuller on trombone, George Coleman, Lou Donaldson, Tina Brooks on sax, Kenny Burrell and Eddie McFadden on guitar (although I'm not really familiar with them or some of the sax players)

drum and bass jazz? heh, check out Russell Gunn - Ethnomusicology Volume 1

oohh, maybe some Bela Fleck - Outbound... it's got Victor Wooten, one of the best bass players in the world...

and if you like bass... definately check out some Jaco Pastorius (he played with Weather Report)

maybe, The Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame, Birds of Fire - hey, it's got John McLaughlin... great guitar player.

and source direct, yeah...
John Scofield - Agogo - it has Medeski, Martin and Wood too, so if you like that stuff, get some of them...

oh and I haven't heard any Stanley Jordan, Charlier Hunter, Dave Holland, or The Guitar Trio... I might just have to check them out myself

okay, it's time to end this... hope that helped, and sorry if i overloaded you... but hey, you have tons of time to check out all of this stuff, so get to it![COLOR=FF00AA][/COLOR]


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Bill Evans at the Village Vanguard albums are fabulous, as is any of his Riverside stuff.

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Miles Davis is IMHO the greatest jazz artist ever, you can't really go wrong.. Beware he has done a lot of experimenting with jazz-rock and fusion stuff in the late 60's and 70's, this is actually what I like best but most jazz-purists hate him for it.
Some more jazz I can recommend:

- John Coltrane: Blue Train, My Favorite Things
- Thelonious Monk: Live at the It Club - Complete
- Herbie Hancock: Maiden Voyage, Headhunters (really funky!)
- Dave Brubeck
- Stan Getz

That's all that comes to mind right now..[/COLOR]


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I can't say my rig is designed for jazz, but I've been a listener for a long time. Here are a few of my faves:



Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk

Wes Montgomery: Full House

Lee Morgan: Lee-Way

John Coltrane: Live at the Village Vanguard

Ornette Coleman: The Shape of Jazz to Come

Elvin Jones: Genesis (I had the pleasure of meeting him backstage in Seattle in '99 - one of the greatest experiences of my life!)

Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers (can't recall the name of the album, but it's from live show in Florida in the early-mid 80s and features Wynton Marsalis on trumpet)



I find my GR07s respond well to jazz (heck, they respond well to everything you throw at them).[/COLOR][/COLOR]


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...still trying to think of the ones that have stood out for me/the standards everyone pointed me to when I started looking into the genre:



Other odds and ends:



Bill Evans-Portrait in Jazz

John Coltrane-My Favorite Things

John Coltrane-A Love Supreme

John Coltrane-Lush Life

A nice, broad coverage of Coltrane is done in the Impulse best of series "Coltrane: his Greatest Years" volume 1, 2 and 3....

Cannonball Adderly-Somethin' Else

Charles Mingus-Ah Um

Dave Brubeck-Time Out (if I had a penny for every time I found this in a box of records at a yard sale I would be a millionaire by now...)



Getting a little freakier now:



Wayne Shorter-the All Seeing Eye

Ornette Coleman-Free Jazz A Collective Improvization

Sun Ra-the Heliocentric Worlds of Sun Ra

Sun Ra-Atlantis

Pharoah Sanders-Black Unity

Alice Coltrane-Journey in Satchidinanda

Herbie Hancock-Sextant

Herbie Hancock-Crossings






[COLOR=FF00AA][/COLOR]Milestones

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Audio&Me:

I'm not very much into vocal jazz so I can't help you there.

However, if you liked Miles Davis and John Coltrane I would suggest that you check out some of the following albums which would be classified as "bop" or "hard bop" from the 50s and 60s.

Dexter Gordon - "Go" (Blue Note)

Art Blakey - "Moanin'" (Blue Note)

Bill Evans - "Sunday at the Village Vanguard" (Fantasy)

Joe Henderson - "Page One" (Blue Note)

Charles Mingus - "Mingus Ah Um" (Columbia) or "Blues and Roots" (Atlantic)

Hank Mobley - "Soul Station" (Blue Note)

Thelonious Monk - "Monk's Music" (Fantasy)

Wes Montgomery - "Incredible Jazz Guitar" or "Full House" (Fantasy) (Wes is considered one of the greats if not the greatest jazz guitarist)

Lee Morgan - "The Sidewinder" (Blue Note)

Oliver Nelson - "The Blues and the Abstract Truth" (Impulse)

Art Pepper - "Meets the Rhythm Section" (Fantasy)

Oscar Peterson - "Night Train" (Verve)

Bud Powell - "Amazing Bud Powell Vol. I" (Blue Note)

Sonny Rollins - "Saxophone Colossus" or "Way Out West" (Fantasy)

Horace Silver - "Song for My Father" (Blue Note)


This are all considered absolute classics from jazz's golden era from the mid 50s to the mid 60s. I have tried to limit my recommendations to selections that are accessible and are not "out there" or avant-garde. If you really dig the albums above you can work your way up to the free jazz/avant stuff if that interests you.

A word about sound quality. All of the albums I have recommended above are available with fairly recent and excellent sounding remastering jobs. The Blue Notes are available in a series called the "RVG" series and they sell for the bargain price of about $11.99. The Fantasy's are availble in a series called the "K2" remaster series which has just been released in the past year/year and a half. Make sure you get the most recent remasters of these albums for the best sound quality possible. These are still old recordings, of course but the recent remasters are much better than their old (circa late 1980s) counterparts.

Enjoy.[COLOR=FF00AA][/COLOR]





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Habib:

For Ella try "The Best of the Songbooks." It's on the Verve label and I've listened to my CD at least a hundred times. It's a compilation of the best songs from her "songbook" series. Here's the description from allmusic.com:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=7:33:54|PM&sql=A4zrx28gr053a[COLOR=FF00AA][/COLOR]



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Man I can give you a whole list of cool stuff, here we go...

John Coltrane - Blue Train - you must get this one. It has become one of my favorites, and if you like the trombone player (I play trombone, so I really like him), then you should get...

Curtis Fuller - New Trombone - this one has Sonny Red on sax, and if you like his style of playing, then you should check out

Sonny Rollins - Volume 2 - and here you will find one of the most respected jazz trombonists ever, J.J. Johnson (and he has a whole load of great cd's). But this album just has awesome players on it... like

Art Blakey (drums) - A Night in Tunisia - Moanin' - Roots and Herbs
Horace Silver (piano) - Horace-Scope - Blowin' the Blues Away
Thelonius Monk (piano) - I really don't have any of his stuff
Paul Chambers (bass)

And you should also check out some of this...

Lee Morgan - Cornbread - The Sidewinder
Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones
Clifford Brown - Brown and Roach, Inc.
John Coltrane - Giant Steps (showing his truly technical ability), and definately, A Love Supreme (you even get to hear him sing... kinda, heh)
Art Farmer - Modern Art
Miles Davis - Workin'
Dave Brubeck - Time Out - Time Further Out (I guess as a basis if you like this style of jazz)
Joshua Redman - Timeless Tales
Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
Cannonball Adderley - Somethin' Else
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters - Cantaloupe Island

I'm gonna have to pick up that My Funny Valentine concert album... man, Ron Carter on bass? and all of the rest of the players... that's sweet stuff.

if you like big band music, check out some Buddy Rich, or Stan Kenton...

oh and maaan, you gotta check out some Jimmy Smith! what an awesome organ player... get Back at the Chicken Shack or something.. maybe House Party? it's got Donald Bailey and Art Blakey on drums, Lee Morgan on trumpet, some Curtis Fuller on trombone, George Coleman, Lou Donaldson, Tina Brooks on sax, Kenny Burrell and Eddie McFadden on guitar (although I'm not really familiar with them or some of the sax players)

drum and bass jazz? heh, check out Russell Gunn - Ethnomusicology Volume 1

oohh, maybe some Bela Fleck - Outbound... it's got Victor Wooten, one of the best bass players in the world...

and if you like bass... definately check out some Jaco Pastorius (he played with Weather Report)

maybe, The Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame, Birds of Fire - hey, it's got John McLaughlin... great guitar player.

and source direct, yeah...
John Scofield - Agogo - it has Medeski, Martin and Wood too, so if you like that stuff, get some of them...

oh and I haven't heard any Stanley Jordan, Charlier Hunter, Dave Holland, or The Guitar Trio... I might just have to check them out myself

okay, it's time to end this... hope that helped, and sorry if i overloaded you... but hey, you have tons of time to check out all of this stuff, so get to it![COLOR=FF00AA][/COLOR]







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Gerry Mulligan with Chet Baker is also in that mode. And don't forget Miles's "Birth of the Cool'. Good luck!
I'm reading the new bio of Chet Baker. Talk about depressing.

You should also check out the maestro, Duke Ellington. Anything he did over his 50 year career is amazing, but I'm partial to his post-Newport stuff. My all time favorite jazz CD is "The Far East Suite." Amazing stuff, great Hodges, Gonzalves, and Jimmy Hamilton. Also try "New Orleans Suite" (Hodges final recording) and "And His Mother Called Him Bill." I listened to this on the WOH tour, and it's great, especially "Blood Count."