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post #106 of 6262

Agree.  I've got a Chord QuteHD and a bunch of DSF files.  Quality wise I've maxed out at FLAC 24/96.  I'm unconvinced about 24/192, as I am about DSD.

 

Much better that albums were produced well at any bit rate - 16/44.1 can sound great if it doesn't have the life compressed out of it.

post #107 of 6262

Oops - when I posted this http://www.head-fi.org/t/680853/sony-nwz-zx1-35th-walkman-anniversary-model/90#post_9801395 last night, I was just about to go to bed, and looking again, this morning, I realise that the image I posted referred to Sony's F880, not the leather-backed NWZ-ZX1.

 

I put my hands up and admit my oversight, so sorry for any confusion. It's a Japanese webpage and I erroneously assumed the page referred to one DAP rather than 2 different ones:

 

http://www.phileweb.com/sp/news/d-av/201309/05/33641.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for Sony's intention to push hi-rez downloads, I suppose it's understandable that they are eager to re-release a chunk of their back catalogue at hi-rez, given falling music sales these past few years and, some argue, declining standards of music composition in certain genres these days.

 

Personally, I don't see any point in going higher than 24/96, but neither do I see any harm, from a subjective rather than theoretical standpoint.

 

A 256gb (128gb at minimum)  hi-rez DAP with a comprehensive selection of lossless 16/44.1, 16/48, and 24/96, and potent output stage will bring a smile to this Head-fier's face :L3000:

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 9/14/13 at 5:04am
post #108 of 6262
I too would be happy with 24/96 and >100GB ( or zeroGB and a slot! )

If I'm honest, my dream device wouldn't even be a straight DAP.
I'd prefer an 'audiophile' cell phone which would wring every last drop of audio 'quality' out of Spotify, whilst also allowing reasonably high rez/quality playback when out of signal area.

I know it's impossible for this type of device to compete with hair-shirt DAP's on sound quality, but the content available on Spotify is just so compelling!
But, if anyone could do this it'd be Sony.

Maybe I should just get an Xperia and be done with it :-(
post #109 of 6262
If they make it like the Tera Player even without any internal memory but top notch SQ will be awesome.And also we need all the hi rez codec available.
256 GB SD cards will get cheeper in the next two years.
post #110 of 6262
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I too would be happy with 24/96 and >100GB ( or zeroGB and a slot! )

If I'm honest, my dream device wouldn't even be a straight DAP.
I'd prefer an 'audiophile' cell phone which would wring every last drop of audio 'quality' out of Spotify, whilst also allowing reasonably high rez/quality playback when out of signal area.

I know it's impossible for this type of device to compete with hair-shirt DAP's on sound quality, but the content available on Spotify is just so compelling!
But, if anyone could do this it'd be Sony.

Maybe I should just get an Xperia and be done with it :-(

 

You could use any number of Android devices and an outboard USB DAC. I also use my F807 + google music all access to discover music.

post #111 of 6262
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Agree on What Hi-Fi's speculation it won't be Android. It clearly looked like an Android-based device and all of Sony's main Walkmans have been the past few years. Why would they use something else at this point? I mean look at the OSes for the Z and F series - they allude to phone features not there.

 

I would say if they do 128 or 256GB, I still stick to the fact that it will be a $750 - 1000 device. Sony hasn't put SD in any of the main Walkmans, so this incessant "put SD in" won't happen. People need to just get over that one. I'm just happy they kept Atrac in Japan!

 

The Android OS was partly the reason why I went for the NW-F807 for my application. I needed an audio player which I could dedicate to my car, leave it plugged in permanently and have it play/pause whenever the car was started/stopped, all as part of an integrated audio solution to the existing OEM set up which is too tightly interwoven with the rest of the car's electronics to modify in most ways. If this one has everything I want but not the Android, it would take some serious thinking on my part as to whether or not I will benefit overall from it.

 

As for the SD thing, why should people get over it? That's a rude attitude to have about the topic, don't you think? Some of us like a bit of longevity in our product purchases and if the memory fails outside the warranty period, it's usually more feasible to just buy another unit, a wasteful exercise in itself. But instead of doing that, why not just replace a dud memory card instead? It's more economically viable for the end user. I can see the merits in it. Obviously, it doesn't keep product turning over from the manufacturer's side which is why they'd be inclined to stick to internal flash RAM instead.

post #112 of 6262
Good point, that's an advantage I hadn't even thought of.

Something I wasn't even going to post as it seems so 'pie in the sky' is that I'd also like more DAP's to be waterproof.

A couple of years ago this might have seemed like asking for the moon on a stick, but it's occurred to me that I already have a waterproof DAP for swimming ( NWZ-W273 ) and a waterproof phone which even includes micro SD card expansion! ( Moto Defy ).
So it should be possible to offer this without breaking the bank.

With the availability of the Xperia waterproof phone I almost have my perfect device, except for the lack of 'audiophile cred'.

Sorry for the OT, I'll get my coat...
post #113 of 6262

Sub'd and very interested. Whathifi website says it will focus on sound quality and the capacity will be bigger than iPod Classic which is 160 gb. These 2 things made me curious about this dap. So can someone tell me which one Sony new comer will be the ''flagship'' player?

post #114 of 6262
Well I assume it will be the zx1, with the f player just being very good. The problem with the 1 of course will be availability (possibly limited?) and the price (eye watering I imagine!).
post #115 of 6262
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That would mean platter based HDD, which SOny hasn't done for years. I think we'll be lucky to get 128 or 256GB.

From what I've heard 1TB SD cards are due out next year. Judging from the size I doubt they could fit a HDD into something so slim.

 

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I'd guess about a 0% chance of that. (no offense)

 

None taken. Just hoping some company tends to my needs as I'm aging.

Hopefully when my 3 year old kids become adults, I will be borrowing their 1TB or more DAP.

post #116 of 6262
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Yeah, whatever.

By that logic, just because sheeple around the globe buy iPhone's with no expansion, one would expect that the same would be true for non Apple fanbois...only that isn't the case....the biggest-selling Android phone (SG2, SG3, SG4) has had expandable memory for several years and is wildly successful with non-sheeple / non fanbois, who appreciate the benefits of expandability and (relatively) open devices.

It is EXTREMELY easy for manufacturers to include card slots on their devices. EXTREMELY easy.

The primary reason why the likes of Sony and Apple refuse to incorporate memory expansion slots on their pocket devices, above all else, is sheer corporate selfishness/greed. Security considerations are not the reason, since there are plenty of other ways to corrupt a device with rogue code.

A high-res DAP deserves high capacity. That's not niche, it's appropriate. High-res files take significantly more space, and why should a customer who is willing to pay a hefty sum for a high-end DAP be expected to limit their choice of music, on-the-go? If a manufacturer is willing to include high capacity as standard, and at reasonable cost, then OK, but Sony and Apple most certainly do not cover both those bases, because they want you either to unfairly pay through the nose for larger capacities, or upgrade when the next larger capacity device becomes available, 12-24 months down the line.

Anyway, I'm bored of debating this issue. The days of Apple and Sony's disrespectful attitude towards customers are limited. The sheeple/fanbois who are willing to pay to be handcuffed, just so long as the device is glitzy or fashionable, will not drive the market indefinitely, in an increasingly-competitive marketplace:

1) It used to be that small independent vendors couldn't possibly compete with the big boys (Matsu$h1ta, Sony, Toshiba, Apple, etc.) but the times, they are a changing! Just wait and see. The next 5 years or so will see huge shifts in the way firms operate, because those that don't truly serve the feature demands of their customers will begin to fall by the wayside.

2) As technology evolves, customers around the world become more and more tech-savvy, and thus more aware of when they are being screwed / denied legitimate features.

3) Sony and Apple are no longer distinguishing themselves from their competitors, in terms of technological innovation, to the same extent that they used to. This, in itself, will lead to their lofty positions falling more into line with humbler independent companies snapping at their heels.



I'll keep an eye on this upcoming Sony DAP, and if it turns out to be the high-end DAP Sony are capable of making, whilst not having certain features selfishly omitted, I might just buy one. My aging D-777s are wonderful PCDPs that pushed the boundaries of what was possible, without deliberately omitting features, and I'd genuinely love to see a return to that kind of form for Sony; they were products Sony could be proud of. Will they do that or will they choose the selfish corporate greed route, a la Apple? ...I wish I could be more optimistic that they'll prioritize customer features over corporate greed...

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Mython I am sorry but you have an overly important opinion of the worth of you own opinions....you spread your gospel like the new Messiah on all all DAP threads as if announcing a new world order...threatening greedy DAP makers of downfall. It is quite laughable I am sorry to say. The ak100 is overpriced and it sold like hot cakes, the ak120 is even more overpriced and it sold like hotcakes...they have way broader distribution and a sexier product than iBasso and Fiio and that sells. And if Sony sells a new sexy player at 800$, with none of the features you advocate, it will sell like hotcakes. Because the guys like me who buy a Hifiman 901 even if it is ugly just for SQ and expandability are a minority. Your opinions are always interesting and well argumented, but you are starting to rave and be condescending. I am sorry if this comes of strong as I have always appreciated you, but I think you get carried away in you anti expensive DAP vendetta.

If you are bored of debating these issues then stop debating them in ALL DAP threads.
Edited by Mimouille - 9/16/13 at 5:52pm
post #117 of 6262

I adore the Walkman sound, I had a NW-E50 (first), A726, X1060, E354, and a Z1050. I really look forward to this upcoming anniversary hi-fi player from them, and my expectations will be high!

Thank you to everyone who's sharing the news, I will be on the look out as well! Subscribed.

post #118 of 6262
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post


Mython I am sorry but you have an overly important opinion of the worth of you own opinions....you spread your gospel like the new Messiah on all all DAP threads as if announcing a new world order...threatening greedy DAP makers of downfall. It is quite laughable I am sorry to say. The ak100 is overpriced and it sold like hot cakes, the ak120 is even more overpriced and it sold like hotcakes...they have way broader distribution and a sexier product than iBasso and Fiio and that sells. And if Sony sells a new sexy player at 800$, with none of the features you advocate, it will sell like hotcakes. Because the guys like me who buy a Hifiman 901 even if it is ugly just for SQ and expandability are a minority. Your opinions are always interesting and well argumented, but you are starting to rave and be condescending. I am sorry if this comes of strong as I have always appreciated you, but I think you get carried away in you anti expensive DAP vendetta.

If you are bored of debating these issues then stop debating them in ALL DAP threads.

 

 

You're quite entitled to your opinion, and I don't take it personally at all. I, too, though am entitled to my opinion.

 

That's all good. We all have different perspectives.

 

Just for the record, I have never 'threatened' any DAP makers with downfall - how could I possibly do such a thing? All I have done (yes, in more than one thread) is state an observation that if manufacturers put themselves before their customers to too great an extent, then it is only a matter of time before they will lose sales to less selfish competitors. The business world is absolutely littered with tales of giant corporations who thought they were too big to fall but they still (eventually) came crashing down. Apple, Sony etc. are extremely shortsighted in the way they very deliberately & obviously deny customers certain legitimate features. That's not even a matter of 'opinion'; it's a simple observation.

 

As for your remark about 'anti-expensive DAP vendetta', you've misinterpreted me. I don't have a problem with some DAPs being expensive, within reason. What I do object to (AK120, I'm particularly looking at you) is shameless profiteering / price-gouging. There absolutely is a place in the market, for expensive DAPs, as long as they legitimately deserve their asking price. To charge DOUBLE the price of an AK100 for the AK120 is outrageous.

 

Anyway, no offence taken, and although sometimes I type late at night, when I'm tired, and perhaps get a bit full-on (if you look in the X5 thread, you'll see I have already conceded that, before you typed your above message), I nonetheless stand by the general sentiment of what I've said about Sony, Apple, and iRiver.

 

We're all enthusiasts about high-end portable audio hardware, here, and all of us have our own perspective on what's important or legitimate in such devices.

 

 

I should also add that even the most mellow head-fier has a tendency to go a little outside the comfort zone with a post or two, once in a blue moon. Sometimes we just get a little irked by something and clamber up on our soapboxes, posting stuff that, when we look back on it, hours, days, or weeks later, we realise it came across stronger than we meant to sound. I am honest enough to acknowledge that in myself, and many longterm headfiers will quietly realise it is true in themselves; I don't think there are many longterm head-fiers who can honestly claim to have never posted something they later thought better of. We are all human. Cest la vie...

 

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Edited by Mython - 9/16/13 at 8:47pm
post #119 of 6262
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post


You're quite entitled to your opinion, and I don't take it personally at all. I, too, though am entitled to my opinion.

That's all good. We all have different perspectives.

Just for the record, I have never 'threatened' any DAP makers with downfall - how could I possibly do such a thing? All I have done (yes, in more than one thread) is state an observation that if manufacturers put themselves before their customers to too great an extent, then it is only a matter of time before they will lose sales to less selfish competitors. The business world is absolutely littered with tales of giant corporations who thought they were too big to fall but they still (eventually) came crashing down. Apple, Sony etc. are extremely shortsighted in the way they very deliberately & obviously deny customers certain legitimate features. That's not even a matter of 'opinion'; it's a simple observation.

As for your remark about 'anti-expensive DAP vendetta', you've misinterpreted me. I don't have a problem with some DAPs being expensive, within reason. What I do object to (AK120, I'm particularly looking at you) is shameless profiteering / price-gouging. There absolutely is a place in the market, for expensive DAPs, as long as they legitimately deserve their asking price. To charge DOUBLE the price of an AK100 for the AK120 is outrageous.

Anyway, no offence taken, and although sometimes I type late at night, when I'm tired, and perhaps get a bit full-on (if you look in the X5 thread, you'll see I have already conceded that, before you typed your above message), I nonetheless stand by the general sentiment of what I've said about Sony, Apple, and iRiver.

We're all enthusiasts about high-end portable audio hardware, here, and all of us have our own perspective on what's important or legitimate in such devices.


I should also add that even the most mellow head-fier has a tendency to go a little outside the comfort zone with a post or two, once in a blue moon. Sometimes we just get a little irked by something and clamber up on our soapboxes, posting stuff that, when we look back on it, hours, days, or weeks later, we realise it came across stronger than we meant to sound. I am honest enough to acknowledge that in myself, and many longterm headfiers will quietly realise it is true in themselves; I don't think there are many longterm head-fiers who can honestly claim to have never posted something they later thought better of. We are all human. Cest la vie...

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Thanks for taking it this way, I have to admit my own post was at 4 in the morning after feeding my son smily_headphones1.gif

Anyway this DAP looks nice. I just have one worry now is that I have found out that such sleek looking DAPs cannot have the power and authority of bricks such as the dx100 and 901 and will often be lacking in the amp section.
post #120 of 6262
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Thanks for taking it this way, I have to admit my own post was at 4 in the morning after feeding my son smily_headphones1.gif

Anyway this DAP looks nice. I just have one worry now is that I have found out that such sleek looking DAPs cannot have the power and authority of bricks such as the dx100 and 901 and will often be lacking in the amp section.

 

Yeah, although it won't solve the heat dissipation issue, I must say I can't wait for the successor technology to LiPo!

 

LiPo has done wonderful things for many, many areas of electronics (including model aircraft and laptops), but it's still lacking (in terms of energy density) for mobile handsets and DAPs.

 

If we could just increase that energy density by 50-80%, things would look a while lot rosier for portable devices, and I'm sure that there are already quite a few such battery technologies in R&D labs around the globe, almost ready to hit the market.

 

Lovely though the NWZ-ZX1 prototype looks, it makes me nervous that it can't be packing much battery capacity in that slim chassis. I love my old Cowon J3 and it's incredibly slim, light and long-lasting... but the trade-off is that is has really poor output current delivery.

 

The NWZ-ZX1 prototype looks like it may be incorporating some relatively large capacitors in that hump on the back of the chassis. I wonder what part of the trade-off continuum Sony will land on, in terms of output power...

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 9/16/13 at 9:04pm
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