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The 727 amp is a lot better when combining with the 009 because it tames the treble quite nicely. The BHSE does indeed allow for greater control of the drivers but it also enhances the treble of the 009 to the point of harshness which will lead to ear fatigue.

I agree. I don't understand how people cope with KG designs on the SR-009 unless they have older and/or less treble-sensitive ears.

 

It's really quite the elephant in the room IMHO.

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bs, IMHO

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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but it seems that, if you want an SR009 system, there is a rough consensus here (that has developed after Tyll's amp shootout) that the only way to get decent sound is with a BHSE,

with a KGSSHV a distant second, and everything else is just not worth using.

 

This is probably frustrating for the prospective SR009 owner of phones that just may be in a class of excellence all their own, because:

 1. Even if you want to pay what the BHSE costs (and I'm not saying it's overpriced at all for what you get and Justin's craftsmanship), you need to wait almost 2 years.

 2. A KGSS is not even a commercial product, and some people don't want to deal with that.

 3. There is even some criticism of these products, and some owners say better and more expensive tubes are needed to make the sound fully acceptable.

 

I say this because, by just trying some warmer cables and better tubes, I was able to coax what I hear as brilliant, non-fatiguing sound from my SR009s on the often maligned Stax 007t/ii amp (as I have mentioned here from time to time).

And I bet this kind of effort would yield similar good results with the other amps out there. Making a high end system sound right is not a plug and play thing, and certainly not with something as sensitive as the 009 phone.

Chances are, you will need to do something upstream, but it's not super expensive, and is part of the fun of this game.

 

I just think it is a shame that many people are coming away with the impression that heroic efforts are needed and nothing but those 2 top amps will produce extraordinary results from these phones,

which have a level of resolution and musical truth that is historic in the world of headphones and even in speaker land.

 

All I need is my stock 007t/ii amp with my RCA cleartops and some Cardas Golden Cross interconnects and some old warmish-sounding Shunyata power cables and the sound is remarkable, unlike any other headphone I have heard in terms of 

resolution, insight, and speed, all without fatigue or pain. The bass is wonderful, reasonably deep and with nice impact and the whole frequency spectrum is very well balanced from top to bottom. And if I could do this with my amp, I think the other amps are worthy of more thorough experimentation.

 

(I have moved on to some great Stealth interconnects and a very good power conditioner, but these were more icing on the cake, and not truly necessary.)

Nice post.  I consider myself fortunate to own both the 717 and a KGSShv ( a truly great build). I have A/B'd both amps with my 007mk1. To my ears, the SQ is better with the latter amp but I spent 3 months with the 717 first. It is no slouch at all and some people here will assert that the 717 pairs very well with both the 007 and the 009. 

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Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post

 
The 727 amp is a lot better when combining with the 009 because it tames the treble quite nicely. The BHSE does indeed allow for greater control of the drivers but it also enhances the treble of the 009 to the point of harshness which will lead to ear fatigue.
I agree. I don't understand how people cope with KG designs on the SR-009 unless they have older and/or less treble-sensitive ears.

It's really quite the elephant in the room IMHO.

IMO, try Psvane EL34PH tubes with the BHSE driving the 009's.
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Just like to check feedback on ordering from pricejapan. I've ordered a pair of Airbow SC-21, initially they claim lead time is 1 month, but it has been more than 2 months now and still nothing heard from them.

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Just like to check feedback on ordering from pricejapan. I've ordered a pair of Airbow SC-21, initially they claim lead time is 1 month, but it has been more than 2 months now and still nothing heard from them.

I got my SR-009's from PriceJapan and there was a delay when they got to UK customs, but I didn't have a problem with PriceJapan.
To what I recall, from ordering to PriceJapan sending my 009's took about 3 weeks, but the delay at UK customs seemed to be around 2 or 3 weeks.
If you're getting concerned, send PriceJapan an email.
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Originally Posted by blubliss View Post

bs, IMHO


 



IMO as well.
Plus the KG/009 combos do not even come close to the HD800 in terms of perceived "brightness" (which by the way is also a great headphone, just not for me because of the some of the source material I listen to).
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I got my SR-009's from PriceJapan and there was a delay when they got to UK customs, but I didn't have a problem with PriceJapan.
To what I recall, from ordering to PriceJapan sending my 009's took about 3 weeks, but the delay at UK customs seemed to be around 2 or 3 weeks.
If you're getting concerned, send PriceJapan an email.
I send them a few emails, they are still saying the same thing, not sure when stock is available, if I can't wait , I can opt for a full refund.
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post
 

I agree. I don't understand how people cope with KG designs on the SR-009 unless they have older and/or less treble-sensitive ears.

 

It's really quite the elephant in the room IMHO.

Now you are trying to create a generational divide? :rolleyes: 

Some opinions are just that. Opinions. And this one is non sense.

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Now you are trying to create a generational divide? rolleyes.gif  
Some opinions are just that. Opinions. And this one is non sense.
Oh, please. rolleyes.gif

Even dude_500 remarked on the perceived brightness of the one of the KG designs with the SR-009, and he's designed some very well-voiced DIY-statics.

It's not an uncommon sentiment, but given the vitriolic reflexes that tend to be the order of the day when such estimations are expressed, it's certainly an "unpopular" one. The defensive reflex is no less silly than the facetious nature of my remark, albeit in a different way.

The KG designs are best suited to the SR-007. I actually really like them with the Mk1.
Edited by 3X0 - 5/6/14 at 7:10am
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The KG designs are best suited to the SR-007. I actually really like them with the Mk1.
I have not heard the 009 but your remark (and similar opinions) makes me feel great about my recent KGSSHV purchase. That with my 007 mk1 just makes for engrossing musical listening sessions.
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post


Oh, please. rolleyes.gif

Even dude_500 remarked on the perceived brightness of the one of the KG designs with the SR-009, and he's designed some very well-voiced DIY-statics.

It's not an uncommon sentiment, but given the vitriolic reflexes that tend to be the order of the day when such estimations are expressed, it's certainly an "unpopular" one. The defensive reflex is no less silly than the facetious nature of my remark, albeit in a different way.

The KG designs are best suited to the SR-007. I actually really like them with the Mk1.

 

The idea that KG amps are bright is held by some, but is not a consensus, and many feel otherwise.

The 009 does just fine (actually quite nicely) with the KGSSHV and KGSS, as well as the BH


Edited by gilency - 5/6/14 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post


I have not heard the 009 but your remark (and similar opinions) makes me feel great about my recent KGSSHV purchase. That with my 007 mk1 just makes for engrossing musical listening sessions.

Now the 009 and KGSSHV is an engrossing pairing!

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Originally Posted by gilency View Post
 

 

The idea that KG amps are bright is held by some, but is not a consensus, and many feel otherwise.

The 009 does just fine (actually quite nicely) with the KGSSHV and KGSS, as well as the BH

Indeed, that's well stated.

 

I personally find even the Omega to be rather strident on the KGSSHV. It is not to the point of being harsh, but audibly annoying.

 

That's just for me personally. To frame this into context, I'm a rather young lad with treble sensitivity who finds the stock HD 800 intolerable. To make my admittedly flippant prior remark (re: generation gaps) sound a little more reasonable, I don't know of a gentleman who enjoys the SR-009 + KGSSHV pairing that's not younger than their late 30s or so -- presbycusis?

 

It would be rather brazen of me to suggest that the sample size isn't tiny though -- after all, well-aged gentleman are typically the population who are inclined to drop the coin on these amplifiers to begin with whereas whippersnappers (like myself) are busy pinching their pennies.

 

Again, I prefer the KGSSHV with the SR-007Mk1.


Edited by 3X0 - 5/6/14 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post
 

Indeed, that's well stated.

 

I personally find even the Omega to be rather strident on the KGSSHV. It is not to the point of being harsh, but audibly annoying.

 

That's just for me personally. To frame this into context, I'm a rather young lad with treble sensitivity who finds the stock HD 800 intolerable. To make my admittedly flippant prior remark (re: generation gaps) sound a little more reasonable, I don't know of a gentleman who enjoys the SR-009 + KGSSHV pairing that's not younger than their late 30s or so -- presbycusis?

 

It would be rather brazen of me to suggest that the sample size isn't tiny though -- after all, well-aged gentleman are typically the population who are inclined to drop the coin on these amplifiers to begin with whereas whippersnappers (like myself) are busy pinching their pennies.

 

Again, I prefer the KGSSHV with the SR-007Mk1.

That's still pretty generally broad. I find the HD800 rather bright as well, however the mk 1 on the KGSSHV is really no where near bright or annoying.

Further, the 009 is pretty damn magical and yes, just a tad bright. I'm hoping I'll get use to it because it's no where near as problematic as the HD800.

 

Oh yea, I'm 24 btw. So now you know someone 'of age' that defies your generalization.

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