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post #2236 of 4016
Haha

You know you are going to have to send them back eventually right............right?tongue.gif
post #2237 of 4016

OF course, as soon as Mike sends them to me. 

post #2238 of 4016
I think Frank cooter might be looking for a set
post #2239 of 4016

Good stuff. I PM'ed him.

post #2240 of 4016

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but it seems that, if you want an SR009 system, there is a rough consensus here (that has developed after Tyll's amp shootout) that the only way to get decent sound is with a BHSE,

with a KGSSHV a distant second, and everything else is just not worth using.

 

This is probably frustrating for the prospective SR009 owner of phones that just may be in a class of excellence all their own, because:

 1. Even if you want to pay what the BHSE costs (and I'm not saying it's overpriced at all for what you get and Justin's craftsmanship), you need to wait almost 2 years.

 2. A KGSS is not even a commercial product, and some people don't want to deal with that.

 3. There is even some criticism of these products, and some owners say better and more expensive tubes are needed to make the sound fully acceptable.

 

I say this because, by just trying some warmer cables and better tubes, I was able to coax what I hear as brilliant, non-fatiguing sound from my SR009s on the often maligned Stax 007t/ii amp (as I have mentioned here from time to time).

And I bet this kind of effort would yield similar good results with the other amps out there. Making a high end system sound right is not a plug and play thing, and certainly not with something as sensitive as the 009 phone.

Chances are, you will need to do something upstream, but it's not super expensive, and is part of the fun of this game.

 

I just think it is a shame that many people are coming away with the impression that heroic efforts are needed and nothing but those 2 top amps will produce extraordinary results from these phones,

which have a level of resolution and musical truth that is historic in the world of headphones and even in speaker land.

 

All I need is my stock 007t/ii amp with my RCA cleartops and some Cardas Golden Cross interconnects and some old warmish-sounding Shunyata power cables and the sound is remarkable, unlike any other headphone I have heard in terms of 

resolution, insight, and speed, all without fatigue or pain. The bass is wonderful, reasonably deep and with nice impact and the whole frequency spectrum is very well balanced from top to bottom. And if I could do this with my amp, I think the other amps are worthy of more thorough experimentation.

 

(I have moved on to some great Stealth interconnects and a very good power conditioner, but these were more icing on the cake, and not truly necessary.)


Edited by rgs9200m - 5/5/14 at 6:05pm
post #2241 of 4016
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but it seems that, if you want an SR009 system, there is a rough consensus here (that has developed after Tyll's amp shootout) that the only way to get decent sound is with a BHSE,

with a KGSSHV a distant second, and everything else is just not worth using.

 

This is probably frustrating for the prospective SR009 owner of phones that just may be in a class of excellence all their own, because:

 1. Even if you want to pay what the BHSE costs (and I'm not saying it's overpriced at all for what you get and Justin's craftsmanship), you need to wait almost 2 years.

 2. A KGSS is not even a commercial product, and some people don't want to deal with that.

 3. There is even some criticism of these products, and some owners say better and more expensive tubes are needed to make the sound fully acceptable.

 

I say this because, by just trying some warmer cables and better tubes, I was able to coax what I hear as brilliant, non-fatiguing sound from my SR009s on the much maligned Stax 007t/ii amp (as I have mentioned here from time to time).

And I bet this kind of effort would yield similar good results with the other amps out there. Making a high end system sound right is not a plug and play thing, and certainly not with something as sensitive as the 009 phone.

Chances are, you will need to do something upstream, but it's not super expensive, and is part of the fun of this game.

 

I just think it is a shame that many people are coming away with the impression that heroic efforts are needed and nothing but those 2 top amps will produce extraordinary results from these phones,

which have a level of resolution and musical truth that is historic in the world of headphones and even in speaker land.

 

All I need is my stock 007t/ii amp with my RCA cleartops and some Cardas Golden Cross interconnects and some old warmish-sounding Shunyata power cables and the sound is remarkable, unlike any other headphone I have heard in terms of 

resolution, insight, and speed, all without fatigue or pain. The bass is wonderful, reasonably deep and with nice impact and the whole frequency spectrum is very well balanced from top to bottom. And if I could do this with my amp, I think the other amps are worthy of more thorough experimentation.

 

I agree with you. I thought my SRM727II/SR-009 combo was still better than any other headphone rig I've heard....and still a good improvement over my HD800s (regardless of rig).

post #2242 of 4016

The 727 amp is a lot better when combining with the 009 because it tames the treble quite nicely. The BHSE does indeed allow for greater control of the drivers but it also enhances the treble of the 009 to the point of harshness which will lead to ear fatigue.

post #2243 of 4016
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Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post
 

The 727 amp is a lot better when combining with the 009 because it tames the treble quite nicely. The BHSE does indeed allow for greater control of the drivers but it also enhances the treble of the 009 to the point of harshness which will lead to ear fatigue.

 

I haven't heard the BHSE yet...but I've never heard harshness with the -009s and either the KGSS or KGSSHV.

post #2244 of 4016
Quote:
Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post
 

The 727 amp is a lot better when combining with the 009 because it tames the treble quite nicely. The BHSE does indeed allow for greater control of the drivers but it also enhances the treble of the 009 to the point of harshness which will lead to ear fatigue.

I agree. I don't understand how people cope with KG designs on the SR-009 unless they have older and/or less treble-sensitive ears.

 

It's really quite the elephant in the room IMHO.

post #2245 of 4016

bs, IMHO

post #2246 of 4016
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but it seems that, if you want an SR009 system, there is a rough consensus here (that has developed after Tyll's amp shootout) that the only way to get decent sound is with a BHSE,

with a KGSSHV a distant second, and everything else is just not worth using.

 

This is probably frustrating for the prospective SR009 owner of phones that just may be in a class of excellence all their own, because:

 1. Even if you want to pay what the BHSE costs (and I'm not saying it's overpriced at all for what you get and Justin's craftsmanship), you need to wait almost 2 years.

 2. A KGSS is not even a commercial product, and some people don't want to deal with that.

 3. There is even some criticism of these products, and some owners say better and more expensive tubes are needed to make the sound fully acceptable.

 

I say this because, by just trying some warmer cables and better tubes, I was able to coax what I hear as brilliant, non-fatiguing sound from my SR009s on the often maligned Stax 007t/ii amp (as I have mentioned here from time to time).

And I bet this kind of effort would yield similar good results with the other amps out there. Making a high end system sound right is not a plug and play thing, and certainly not with something as sensitive as the 009 phone.

Chances are, you will need to do something upstream, but it's not super expensive, and is part of the fun of this game.

 

I just think it is a shame that many people are coming away with the impression that heroic efforts are needed and nothing but those 2 top amps will produce extraordinary results from these phones,

which have a level of resolution and musical truth that is historic in the world of headphones and even in speaker land.

 

All I need is my stock 007t/ii amp with my RCA cleartops and some Cardas Golden Cross interconnects and some old warmish-sounding Shunyata power cables and the sound is remarkable, unlike any other headphone I have heard in terms of 

resolution, insight, and speed, all without fatigue or pain. The bass is wonderful, reasonably deep and with nice impact and the whole frequency spectrum is very well balanced from top to bottom. And if I could do this with my amp, I think the other amps are worthy of more thorough experimentation.

 

(I have moved on to some great Stealth interconnects and a very good power conditioner, but these were more icing on the cake, and not truly necessary.)

Nice post.  I consider myself fortunate to own both the 717 and a KGSShv ( a truly great build). I have A/B'd both amps with my 007mk1. To my ears, the SQ is better with the latter amp but I spent 3 months with the 717 first. It is no slouch at all and some people here will assert that the 717 pairs very well with both the 007 and the 009. 

post #2247 of 4016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post

 
The 727 amp is a lot better when combining with the 009 because it tames the treble quite nicely. The BHSE does indeed allow for greater control of the drivers but it also enhances the treble of the 009 to the point of harshness which will lead to ear fatigue.
I agree. I don't understand how people cope with KG designs on the SR-009 unless they have older and/or less treble-sensitive ears.

It's really quite the elephant in the room IMHO.

IMO, try Psvane EL34PH tubes with the BHSE driving the 009's.
post #2248 of 4016

Just like to check feedback on ordering from pricejapan. I've ordered a pair of Airbow SC-21, initially they claim lead time is 1 month, but it has been more than 2 months now and still nothing heard from them.

post #2249 of 4016
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Originally Posted by okw3188 View Post

Just like to check feedback on ordering from pricejapan. I've ordered a pair of Airbow SC-21, initially they claim lead time is 1 month, but it has been more than 2 months now and still nothing heard from them.

I got my SR-009's from PriceJapan and there was a delay when they got to UK customs, but I didn't have a problem with PriceJapan.
To what I recall, from ordering to PriceJapan sending my 009's took about 3 weeks, but the delay at UK customs seemed to be around 2 or 3 weeks.
If you're getting concerned, send PriceJapan an email.
post #2250 of 4016
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Originally Posted by blubliss View Post

bs, IMHO


 



IMO as well.
Plus the KG/009 combos do not even come close to the HD800 in terms of perceived "brightness" (which by the way is also a great headphone, just not for me because of the some of the source material I listen to).
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