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Dec 1, 2013 at 9:56 PM Post #826 of 23,494
I've read this thread several times, looked over the previous thread, and read joe's tube lore a few times but it's all just getting more confusing. I'm wanting to get some tubes for my lyr and mad dogs. I can't decide between these:
Amperex orange globes 6dj8
Amperex bugle boys 6dj8
National/matsush!ta 6922
Vokshod 6n23p

People say great things about all of these tubes, but I'm not sure what would work best with the lyr. Also does anyone have a good place to order 70s voshkods? All I can find are random eBay sellers. Are the 80s and 90s versions that much different?
 
Dec 1, 2013 at 10:06 PM Post #827 of 23,494
You can't go wrong with the Amperexes.  Buying from Russian sellers introduces more difficulties ... the Amperexes are slightly better, and cost more than thoes National 6922's ... as to whether you go for Bugle Boys or Orange Globes - tough choice, they are both great ... does your system sound a little too warm or a little too lean in general ?
 
Dec 1, 2013 at 10:11 PM Post #828 of 23,494
ninjahamster said:
LOL = I have the Lyr's and Q cables ... and the Nails ... but I have no HE-500's so you are all alone ... alone like Trent Reznor ... We're all alone ... ALL alone ... :basshead:
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I don't have my 500s yet, waiting to be shipped. I bought the Lyr specifically for them. Or maybe I bought them specifically for the Lyr. Either way, the 500s will be the first cans in the Lyr. I haven't even fired the amp up yet.
 
Dec 1, 2013 at 10:22 PM Post #829 of 23,494
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I don't have my 500s yet, waiting to be shipped. I bought the Lyr specifically for them. Or maybe I bought them specifically for the Lyr. Either way, the 500s will be the first cans in the Lyr. I haven't even fired the amp up yet.
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Well, at least it sounds as though you have made some great choices ... get a set of OG's and a set of BB and let us all know what YOU think ...  
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Dec 1, 2013 at 11:55 PM Post #830 of 23,494
ninjahamster said:
  Thanks - it will be interesting to see how this develops ... as I said, both the OG and Bugle Boys are great tubes - you can't lose (especially for their prices).  I suspect that the Bugle Boys may win on the 701's (they are generally warmer) ... but I still feel they may have a bit of a "peak" in the upper midrange - same as the 701's, they have a slight "edge" to them despite the warmth, in my system ... when you say Fragile - do you mean Nine Inch Nails ?  I think the bugle boys are better with typical pop due to the added warmth ..;  in my system (which is VERY warm already) the Orange Globes "reign" that in slightly - whilst still being warm.
 
Keep going ... this is really interesting for me too ... I might even hook up my 701's at some stage ... nah, who am I kidding, the LCD-2's (despite being WORSE than the 701's in some ways) are too much fun ...
 
Eagerly awaiting your next report as the tubes burn in etc and you get more "acclimatised" to each tube, and those smaller distinctions become more obvious ...
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Yeah, for the price (USD$80/per pair) they're a good deal.  Having read so much about them, it seemed wrong not to have at least one pair of Amperexes in the stable.  With the Heteros I did notice that upper mid peak you mentioned, relative to the OGs.  But I was using the HE-500 most of the afternoon/evening, and only used the Q701 for a few tracks.  That's why I need to do a focused A/B/C between the three pairs of tubes and two cans.
 
Fragile as in Yes' 1971 classic.  It's got a lot going on musically.  I thought I was inside Steve Howe's guitar during "Mood For A Day."  No, no magic mushrooms ingested :wink:  That kind of experience can cement one's affection for a particular piece of gear, or a setup.
 
I hear you re: the 701s (of either variety, I gather).  Excellent for some things.  I was listening to an interesting thing my brother just recorded; it's like being outside on a warm summer evening; very atmospheric in that sense.  The Qs picked out all the little details and gave it the space it needs.  And Hugh Laurie's New Orleans style comes across very well on them, regardless of the tubes.  But rock, be it NIN, proggy ol' Yes, or decades-spanning Rush are best left to the HE-500.  Maybe because of the mods I did to HE-500, but the Heteros sound so great with them.
 
So you think the BBs are warmer than the OGs, so the OGs work better in your warm system?  Sorry if I misinterpreted.
 
Glad you're interested.  I'll try to do the comparisons justice.  Don't sell your 701s short.  Find some music that they do well, then compare them to the LCDs.  I almost got them over the HE-500, but I got a great deal on the HFMs.  The difference in price equaled a custom cable and some nice tubes :)
 
In the end, I think I'll need a chart to keep track of the various synergies between music, cans and tubes 
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See, I'm trying to keep this hobby fun!
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 12:05 AM Post #831 of 23,494
ninjahamster said:
You can't go wrong with the Amperexes.  Buying from Russian sellers introduces more difficulties ... the Amperexes are slightly better, and cost more than thoes National 6922's ... as to whether you go for Bugle Boys or Orange Globes - tough choice, they are both great ... does your system sound a little too warm or a little too lean in general ?
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I guess I would have to say its a bit too lean. After putting ~50 hours or so on the stock GE I'm just not hearing much of that warm tube sound everyone is talking about. My source right now is a modi, which I also probably need to upgrade.
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 12:06 AM Post #832 of 23,494
ninjahamster said:
  Well, at least it sounds as though you have made some great choices ... get a set of OG's and a set of BB and let us all know what YOU think ...  
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LMAO.
 
Still, NINjaHamster's right.  Best $80-$200 (if you get good BBs and OGs) you'll spend for your Lyr.  Later you can drop $300+ on some Siemens or Telefunkens.  Doesn't hurt to be prepared to offer up for sale tubes you don't like or don't use.  Head-Fiers will likely help you out there.
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM Post #833 of 23,494
thurstonx said:
   
Yeah, for the price (USD$80/per pair) they're a good deal.  Having read so much about them, it seemed wrong not to have at least one pair of Amperexes in the stable.  With the Heteros I did notice that upper mid peak you mentioned, relative to the OGs.  But I was using the HE-500 most of the afternoon/evening, and only used the Q701 for a few tracks.  That's why I need to do a focused A/B/C between the three pairs of tubes and two cans.
 
Fragile as in Yes' 1971 classic.  It's got a lot going on musically.  I thought I was inside Steve Howe's guitar during "Mood For A Day."  No, no magic mushrooms ingested :wink:  That kind of experience can cement one's affection for a particular piece of gear, or a setup.
 
I hear you re: the 701s (of either variety, I gather).  Excellent for some things.  I was listening to an interesting thing my brother just recorded; it's like being outside on a warm summer evening; very atmospheric in that sense.  The Qs picked out all the little details and gave it the space it needs.  And Hugh Laurie's New Orleans style comes across very well on them, regardless of the tubes.  But rock, be it NIN, proggy ol' Yes, or decades-spanning Rush are best left to the HE-500.  Maybe because of the mods I did to HE-500, but the Heteros sound so great with them.
 
So you think the BBs are warmer than the OGs, so the OGs work better in your warm system?  Sorry if I misinterpreted.
 
Glad you're interested.  I'll try to do the comparisons justice.  Don't sell your 701s short.  Find some music that they do well, then compare them to the LCDs.  I almost got them over the HE-500, but I got a great deal on the HFMs.  The difference in price equaled a custom cable and some nice tubes :)
 
In the end, I think I'll need a chart to keep track of the various synergies between music, cans and tubes 
darthsmile.gif

 
 
See, I'm trying to keep this hobby fun!
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Yeah  - The Bugle Boys are generally warmer - but I feel they have a little peak in the upper midrange, which is not what you wanted with the 701's - which have the same failing.
 
LOL - I am old enough that "Fragile" should have made me think of things other than NIN - no wait, that's exactly the right age 
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Yes - I think OG's - the Halo version work better in my system at the moment ... but I can't hate the Bugle Boys either ... remember what I said about "kicking a puppy dog in the face" - you just don't do it !!
 
LOL - I should pull out the 701's, they were SOO improved when I first got the Lyr ... but I love the Audeze's so much - even though the 701's are better in some ways ... I should pull those headphones out again and give them a shot, since my system has changed so much in the interim ... actually, that would interesting ... but at the moment I'm comparing Audirvana Plus 1.5.9 to 1.5.10 is what's taking my time ... Nah, stuff it - I p[refer 1.5.9 ... there, I called it ...
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 12:21 AM Post #834 of 23,494
dentaku81 said:
I guess I would have to say its a bit too lean. After putting ~50 hours or so on the stock GE I'm just not hearing much of that warm tube sound everyone is talking about. My source right now is a modi, which I also probably need to upgrade.
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What is "too lean" - the stock GE ?  That is what you are saying ... so what is so surprising ?  Yes, ultimately you should improve your source.  You should also improve the tube you use.  If you have money, improve your source first, if not, try some of the tubes which have been recommended here.  The GE is great for the price - the Lyr deserves better.
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 12:41 AM Post #835 of 23,494
dentaku81 said:
I guess I would have to say its a bit too lean. After putting ~50 hours or so on the stock GE I'm just not hearing much of that warm tube sound everyone is talking about. My source right now is a modi, which I also probably need to upgrade.
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Start with getting some decent tubes.  My $60 DAC + $30 USB isolator do just fine (though I am going to give myself a nice Christmas present in a couple weeks).  Haven't heard the Modi, but I've heard good things about it.  HiFiMAN recommends putting a few hours (50+) on the HE-500.  Also, there are some reversible mods you can do to it to help it along.
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM Post #836 of 23,494
Anyone care to compare/comment on the following, esp. value for $$$
 
Prices for matched pairs
  1. Ediswan CV2492 / 6922 (not sure about the date/era); $176
  2. Telefunken E88CC / 6922 (1960s); $274 (the claim is that these are currently about half-price compared to what they will be... eventually)
  3. E88CC / 6922 Siemens, West Germany made, 1960s wide getter support post, gold pins (1960s); $230
  4. E188CC (ultra premium 6DJ8/7308) Siemens, Germany, gold pins (1970s); $300
 
 
Probably the closest thing I have is the 1966 E188CC RTC (Heerlen factory).  From some reading, I gather the Ediswan may be the warmest of the lot, though may not have the dimensionality/soundstage.
 
Thanks!
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 3:36 PM Post #838 of 23,494
thurstonx said:
Start with getting some decent tubes.  My $60 DAC + $30 USB isolator do just fine (though I am going to give myself a nice Christmas present in a couple weeks).  Haven't heard the Modi, but I've heard good things about it.  HiFiMAN recommends putting a few hours (50+) on the HE-500.  Also, there are some reversible mods you can do to it to help it along.
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Yeah I think I'm going to jump on some OGs while I save up for a brifost. I have have mad dogs, not the he500s, but I doubt that makes much of a difference. Thanks for the guidance guys.
 
Dec 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM Post #840 of 23,494
I'm looking to upgrade for around $150 for my HE-500.  The choices are:
 
1968 Telefunken ECC88
1959 Bugle Boy D getter 6DJ8
Forget tubes altogether and get the Emotiva mini-X a-100 speaker amp
 
Anyone have experience with these and the HE-500?
 
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