thurstonx said:

Glass Menagerie is what I call my Box o' Tubes.  I'm hoping my wife can provide some inspiration for a decent artsy fartsy theme for said box.  I'm just good at modding schiit   

These will be my fifth pair, and fourth variation, of Russian tubes.  If they can be at least as good as those, and half as good as the I'll-never-freakin'-hear-'em-at-that-price D-getter Teles, that'll be $43 well spent.

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I'm with you there! The way I see it, Cryoset charges $35 for a pr of new production 6n1p-ev's. I love those guys and have bought from them for years, but these new production 6n1p's are so mediocre...for the same money you can buy a 'rare' vintage 6n1p-e black plate, 3 mica '67. A tube a very respected Headfier has experience with, vouches for their smoothness and other great attributes. How can you go wrong? Well the tubes could fail testing and matching, a more then negligible risk. But still the payoff could be huge!

'Do you feel lucky, punk? Well do you?"h34r:

mark-sf said:

Boy. this thread has picked up lately! 

Turns out I have both VR's (78 SS) and a could of MPs of 60's 3-Mica Lorenz Stuttgart PCC88 Gray Shields that I have used in both the Lyr and Lyr 2. The PCC88's work very well in either and with my HD700 provide a very neutral synergy and tame any treble peakiness that some find troublesome.  They provide the same type of dimensionality to the instruments that the VRs do over the stock tubes.  You really hear the difference that 24bit recording provide with them. I believe the VR's have a bit more treble and depth but they are definitely in the same class. While I have not heard the HG's, I find the VR's work with my 700's a bit better though I prefer the PCC88's with my DT1350's and Westone W40's. Don't have time for a detailed review - off to the grill - but am open to questions.

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Hey Mark-sf! Whoa! Did you really favorably compare the legenary Lorenz Stuttgart 3 mica gray shields (as Mr Scary used to call 'trimica' - loved that!) to the '78 Voskhod Rockets?! Stop the train!!! That is huge. "They provide the same type of dimensionality to the instruments that the VRs do over the stock tubes." "I believe the VRs (Voskhod Rockets) have a bit more treble and depth but they are definitely in the same class. " YOU MADE MY DAY!!!
AND you have both a Lyr and a Lyr2 to try them with....oh man...my next pr of HGs go to you!

After reading 200+ pages of ravings on the old thread of the Lorenz 3 mica PCC88s you just said THAT!

SORRY GOT TO GO DO A FEW SHOTS and dance the jig...I'll be right back.:atsmile:

For those new to the 700+ page combined epic thread. These are the legendary Lorenz tubes, only the ones made in Stuttgart, Germany (not the SELs!) - are cult tubes that sell for, what was it $600/pr.

Thanks Mark-sf!

Edit: PS Well now that the shots have worn off - I was of course kidding about the 'free' HGs. But would trade you a pr from my personal collection for a pr of the Lorenz Stuttgart 3 micas.

PSS I got lost in the excitement, but your experience with the Lorenz Stut PCC88s in the Lyr2, I guess answers the question on they're compatibility and SQ. Gibosi was right on there, as far as the changes to the heater.

Hey RB,
Good to see you back on the thread! I'm still enjoying rolling the Reflektor '75 SWGP SS's and Tele E88CC Platinum in my Lyr, and appreciate your input as always.
 
I decided I couldn't live with my perception of lack of bass with the T1's and re-purchased the HD650's (again) to go with my HE500's. I'm thinking of either the HD800's or LCD2 for my next can, and leaning to the LCD2 for its bass.
 
With this newly revived interest in the 6N5P/6N1P is there any concensus as to what to try in the Lyr?

Pretty stellar results with the Lyr 2 swapping in 1965 Amerexe Bugle Boys. Only had about 20 minutes to listen, but compared to the stock Lyr 2 tubes I'm noticing a fairly large change in the soundstage. I didn't want to believe it, but dang....instead of instruments coming from either left and right directly, with the singer usually directly in the center of my head, I find instruments hovering out in front/left, or front/right of my head. Even the singer seems to float out farther in front of me. I haven't heard imaging like this out of a headphone before, only from speakers. I never thought tubes could make such a difference. This to me feels like watching a movie in 2D, and then swapping to 3D afterwards. There is much more depth to the sound. Using a pair of HE-560's, and Uber Bifrost USB2.0 with Wyrd for reference.

gibosi said:

This vendor makes just that claim:

RAREST MILITARY MATCHED PAIR 6N5P = 6N1P boxed anode ~ ECC88 E88CC 6DJ8 Tubes

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171418286089?

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Apologies to Gibosi and Satwilson, yesterday I missed your intial link to these...then 'discovered' it myself. Tip of the hat to you for the initial link to py_alexey's auction I think my browser had so many windows open yesterday it almost crashed. I was looking at the other dealers 6n5p ad.

The action here was fast and furious...posts, tube buys, research links flying left and right!

Oh but what a day it was! Not just Mark-sf's incredible post on the '78 Voskhods and the Lorenz Stuttgart 3 micas...but a lovely, gently used pair of said Lorenz Stuttgart 3 micas heading my way soon...my heart is pounding now. Tubes heading my way from all parts of the world...how much better can it get!:atsmile:

blueshound24 said:

Hey RB,
Good to see you back on the thread! I'm still enjoying rolling the [COLOR=000000]Reflektor '75 SWGP SS's and Tele E88CC Platinum in my Lyr, and appreciate your input as always.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=000000]I decided I couldn't live with my perception of lack of bass with the T1's and re-purchased the HD650's (again) to go with my HE500's. I'm thinking of either the HD800's or LCD2 for my next can, and leaning to the LCD2 for its bass.[/COLOR]

With this newly revived interest in the 6N5P/6N1P is there any concensus as to what to try in the Lyr?

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Hey Blueshound, Glad to hear you're enjoying those HGs! Now a HP rolling - that can be expensive - even more expensive then tube rolling!

I love the HD800s with the Moon Black Dragon cable..but still hanker for the LCD3's from time to time. When I do I put in my Ameperex Pinched Waists and luxurate in euphony until the buying impulse settles down.

Good luck on your next cans!

restoredsparda said:

Pretty stellar results with the Lyr 2 swapping in 1965 Amerexe Bugle Boys. Only had about 20 minutes to listen, but compared to the stock Lyr 2 tubes I'm noticing a fairly large change in the soundstage. I didn't want to believe it, but dang....instead of instruments coming from either left and right directly, with the singer usually directly in the center of my head, I find instruments hovering out in front/left, or front/right of my head. Even the singer seems to float out farther in front of me. I haven't heard imaging like this out of a headphone before, only from speakers. I never thought tubes could make such a difference. This to me feels like watching a movie in 2D, and then swapping to 3D afterwards. There is much more depth to the sound. Using a pair of HE-560's, and Uber Bifrost USB2.0 with Wyrd for reference.

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Well said! Welcome to the Madhouse!

Busy rolling the Voskhod 6n23p world!!! More time more sweeter!!!  Iike I said before, STACK these babies NOW!!  Before too late!
(any 70's tubes)

gibosi said:

It's great fun to find new tubes!

Recently, I have been rolling 5687 and 7119/E182CC. The 5687 heater draws 0.9A, so while I find them to be superb tubes, they are a no-go in the Lyr. And while the 7119/E182CC heater draws only 0.6A, the pin-out is considerably different than a 6DJ8, so an adapter would be necessary. The E182CC are Heerlen-made, and personally, I think they sound so similar to the Heerlen-made E188CC (early 1960's), that if you have one, it probably isn't worth getting the other....

Also, would you be willing to share with the forum your impressions of the Sylvania sub-miniature 7963? I find them to be superb, but unfortunately, in my system, listening with the HD700, they tend to be a bit too bright. However, I tried them with a pair of HE300's, a significantly darker phone, and they were delicious.

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The good news is the APL 3910 dac only needs one tube. The two closed auctions for the e182cc Heerlen was for $199 and $219 per pr they were the Philips SQ e182cc. But there is a 7119 Heerlen for sale for $49. Are the 7119 the same tube as the e182cc? Fortunately my tester tests these.

Thanks for your help.

gmahler2u said:

Busy rolling the Voskhod 6n23p world!!! More time more sweeter!!!  Iike I said before, STACK these babies NOW!!  Before too late!
(any 70's tubes)

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Sage advice from a long time experienced Headfier. They aren't making '70s 6n23p tubes anymore.

rb2013 said:

Sage advice from a long time experienced Headfier. They aren't making '70s 6n23p tubes anymore.

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I've been saying this for awhile now, people start to see something on Voskhod 6n23p 70's tube...HAHAAHA  
I need to save up money for 78 silver Voskhod...(new fav!)   {of course Ref 75 HG, Won't change the #1}
 
Anyways...my small project on 75 voskhod 6n1p, i think this tube is so so.  I give this tube C...1. small soundstage (not like 6n23p's doesn't have depth to the music) 2. overall sound muffled to my ears, although it have clearity and cripness but it has some layer of muffleness that won't give freedom of musicality.
I already said it, It has good clearity and cripness.   (Of course, this is ONLY ones opinion, Please ignor it and happy with yourself.)
 
However, I'm curious to see the other tubes like 6n1p - ev with gold grid...(I can only find the 80's tubes)  Do they have older 6n1p - ev?
This might be the next HG tubes?  LOL just maybe   
 
ALSO!! I recently find the Telefunken CCa MATCHED PAIR!!!!!!   of course, these tubes price tag is $1000!!!!!  

rb2013 said:

The good news is the APL 3910 dac only needs one tube. The two closed auctions for the e182cc Heerlen was for $199 and $219 per pr they were the Philips SQ e182cc. But there is a 7119 Heerlen for sale for $49. Are the 7119 the same tube as the e182cc? Fortunately my tester tests these.

Thanks for your help.

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Yes, the 7119 is the American designation and E182CC is the European designation, exactly the same tube. And I suggest that you ask if the 5687 and 7044 can be used in the APL 3910. These are very similar to the 7119, with the same pin-out, but 0.9A heaters as opposed to 0.6A. If so, you will have Tung-Sol, Sylvania, Raytheon, RCA and GE tubes to roll as well. Of all of them, used as drivers, I prefer the Sylvania and Tung-Sol 5687's.
 
Cheers

gmahler2u said:

 
ALSO!! I recently find the Telefunken CCa MATCHED PAIR!!!!!!   of course, these tubes price tag is $1000!!!!!  

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Go for it!  You only need one kidney anyway, right? 

thurstonx said:

   
Go for it!  You only need one kidney anyway, right? 

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No Thanks, I don't have money to burn...I need my wife's love, then tubby love.

gmahler2u said:

I've been saying this for awhile now, people start to see something on Voskhod 6n23p 70's tube...HAHAAHA  
I need to save up money for 78 silver Voskhod...(new fav!)   {of course Ref 75 HG, Won't change the #1}

Anyways...my small project on 75 voskhod 6n1p, i think this tube is so so.  I give this tube C...1. small soundstage (not like 6n23p's doesn't have depth to the music) 2. overall sound muffled to my ears, although it have clearity and cripness but it has some layer of muffleness that won't give freedom of musicality.
I already said it, It has good clearity and cripness.   (Of course, this is ONLY ones opinion, Please ignor it and happy with yourself.)

However, I'm curious to see the other tubes like 6n1p - ev with gold grid...(I can only find the 80's tubes)  Do they have older 6n1p - ev?
This might be the next HG tubes?  LOL just maybe  :wink_face:  

ALSO!! I recently find the Telefunken CCa MATCHED PAIR!!!!!!   of course, these tubes price tag is $1000!!!!!  :eek:

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Well if the Fed keeps printing money like they've been doing, it won't be long before they're $10,000. The dollar is crap now. Vintage tubes - the new 'gold standard'. I propose a vintage tube backed currency$$$$