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Shure SE 535 Reds Sennheiser IE 80 Westone 4-R ???
Jul 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM Post #16 of 95
It's been a while since I have heard the W4 but I don't remember it having that much more bass than the se535. The se535 is focused on the vocals so you might want to look IEMs with better bass. 
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 11:50 AM Post #17 of 95
@DrSheep my apologies I stated wrong, the reviews stated not that they weren't detachable, but that overtime the connections between the earbuds and the cables just deteriorated and static or interference started to appear, and this was from multiple pairs.  There were quite a few reviews on amazon, and all over logitech forums.  On the flipside, the sound quality from them was great from what I read, but that was a bit negative.  A lot of reviews that you see though aren't long term reviews, they are 1 week or 1 month reviews it seems.  But also, the fact you know about the "bad batch" entails the UE900 has issues with connectivity.  Glad you got a set that is working good, they are suppose to sound stellar.  Also, how long have you owned them, and have you had an issue with the paint on the outside, saw a handful of reviews that that has started to chip off after only a couple months, not sure what they are doing with their earbuds, but unless they are using them in their pockets with change, that seems kind of awful.
 
For my purposes, using these for music and then gaming at home in my office or on the go, something not bulky at all, I can have out on the plane.  What would you guys suggest for a DAC for an IEM, or is it even really needed?  The Vmoda VV seems a bit overboard.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM Post #18 of 95
I would recommend the IE80s by your needs. They one of the least fatigue IEM in my collection. Find a good pair of silicon tips and you'll have quite a enjoyable session. But do take note the IE80 does not have same level of resolution as w4r nor se535. But since you were lookin for a long-hours usage iem I thought IE80 would best fit you.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:07 PM Post #19 of 95
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mc21 said:
You know I keep reading people saying that the W4(R) is superior to the se535, but this is very subjective. I kept my se535 for 6 months and only sold it to get customs. I sold my W4 in a week. I think on paper, the W4 is superior, but it just didn't move me. It just didn't seem as "inviting/welcoming" . Don't get me wrong, the sound quality is amazing, but it was also boring in a way. It's like watching someone play a game and nail every single move or when a dancer does a routine perfectly. It is amazing at first, but it becomes repetitive. This is my personal opinion and I'm sure there are people who disagree with me but I'm just playing devil's advocate here. 
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Well i find the shure 535 very boring and the bass kind of anemic with metallic and not well extended highs, never heard the w4 but my friend told me the same as mc21, he liked the phonaks 232 better until he heard the fischer amps :stuck_out_tongue:
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This is why I like my UE900 more than the W4R, as the sound from the UE is more fun.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:23 PM Post #20 of 95
See this is why this is so hard, I have read so many reviews about the Sennheiser IE 80s saying that, that they are very soothing, and for me with my migraines, and for using them for long periods of time, they seeming like they would be a great fit.  However, I am also a bit ocd about things being perfect so when people say that Westone 4R's have what one would call a "perfect" to the point of boring reproduction of sound quality, that sounds fantastic.  But then you have people like DrSheep and other who stand by their UE900s all day and enjoy the sound of their, my concern with the UE900 is I have heard they are a bit bassy, and overly bassy headphones/earphones can induce migraines for me.
 
So I suppose, if we are to rule out Shures all together, we are in between Westone 4R, Sennheiser IE 80, and Logitech UE900, what are we thinking the best quality of all three in regards to my features list are. I don't mean to be picky, but for the sake of organization and neatness, could the responses just be in list form.
 
Example:
 
1. Sound Stage (for positional awareness within gaming)
The sound stage is really vast, you can really make out each instrument  . . . .
 
2. Comfort (must be able to use for extend periods of time 8-12 hours without ears getting soar, I have migraines)
The earbuds wear on your ears after about 1-2 hours  . . .
 
3. Clarity and crispness
4. Works well with virtual surround
5. Most optimal for Pop, 70s Rock, 90s Rock, Country, Classical (I Know this is a wide range, I listen to a lot, I would probably say, Pop and classical the most)
6. Not overwhelming bass, but still apparent
7. I currently use a Asus Xonar Essence STX on my desktop PC, just noting that
8. $700 +/- a bit
 
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:40 PM Post #21 of 95
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auburneagle23 said:
See this is why this is so hard, I have read so many reviews about the Sennheiser IE 80s saying that, that they are very soothing, and for me with my migraines, and for using them for long periods of time, they seeming like they would be a great fit.  However, I am also a bit ocd about things being perfect so when people say that Westone 4R's have what one would call a "perfect" to the point of boring reproduction of sound quality, that sounds fantastic.  But then you have people like DrSheep and other who stand by their UE900s all day and enjoy the sound of their, my concern with the UE900 is I have heard they are a bit bassy, and overly bassy headphones/earphones can induce migraines for me.
 
So I suppose, if we are to rule out Shures all together, we are in between Westone 4R, Sennheiser IE 80, and Logitech UE900, what are we thinking the best quality of all three in regards to my features list are. I don't mean to be picky, but for the sake of organization and neatness, could the responses just be in list form.
 
Example:
 
1. Sound Stage (for positional awareness within gaming)
The sound stage is really vast, you can really make out each instrument  . . . .
 
2. Comfort (must be able to use for extend periods of time 8-12 hours without ears getting soar, I have migraines)
The earbuds wear on your ears after about 1-2 hours  . . .
 
3. Clarity and crispness
4. Works well with virtual surround
5. Most optimal for Pop, 70s Rock, 90s Rock, Country, Classical (I Know this is a wide range, I listen to a lot, I would probably say, Pop and classical the most)
6. Not overwhelming bass, but still apparent
7. I currently use a Asus Xonar Essence STX on my desktop PC, just noting that
8. $700 +/- a bit
 
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Have you ever heard of any headphones/iem with the kind of bass you like? If so, please tell us which one. I think W4R will fit everything maybe except for the bass.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM Post #22 of 95
I think maybe your mis-understanding what I am looking for in, I do not want a lot of bass in the earbuds/headphones, and yes, my Sennheiser PC 360, 595/598, all do not have very overwhelming bass at all.  I mean yes on songs with bass you can hear the bass, or in games with explosions, you can hear it, but it does not rattle the sound through your skull or your bones yah know?
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM Post #23 of 95
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mc21 said:
Have you ever heard of any headphones/iem with the kind of bass you like? If so, please tell us which one. I think W4R will fit everything maybe except for the bass.
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The W4R certainly fits everything, but within the 3 iems, I felt the IE80s would provide the best soundstage and comfort with it being light and just 1 Dynamic. In terms of clarity, the IE80 would lose out.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM Post #24 of 95
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mc21 said:
Have you ever heard of any headphones/iem with the kind of bass you like? If so, please tell us which one. I think W4R will fit everything maybe except for the bass.
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I think bass wise it should goes like IE80 < W4R < UE900, so for your medical need go for the IE80.  There is no point of getting the W4R if it will make you sick.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM Post #26 of 95
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auburneagle23 said:
I think maybe your mis-understanding what I am looking for in, I do not want a lot of bass in the earbuds/headphones, and yes, my Sennheiser PC 360, 595/598, all do not have very overwhelming bass at all.  I mean yes on songs with bass you can hear the bass, or in games with explosions, you can hear it, but it does not rattle the sound through your skull or your bones yah know?
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No, I'm not misunderstanding what you're looking for in terms of bass. Everyone has a different opinion on what quantity is good for them. Se535 has the perfect amount for me, but you said that is bass light for your. So I just wanted a reference. I've actually never heard of the 595/598, but had the 650. Referencing from that, I don't think the W4R matches that bass.
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The W4R certainly fits everything, but within the 3 iems, I felt the IE80s would provide the best soundstage and comfort with it being light and just 1 Dynamic. In terms of clarity, the IE80 would lose out.
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I've never had the chance to listen to the ie80 so I have no idea what it sounds like. I just didn't comment on it because I lack the knowledge/experience.
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I think bass wise it should goes like IE80 < W4R < UE900, so for your medical need go for the IE80.  There is no point of getting the W4R if it will make you sick.
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I would think that a dynamic driver would have more bass?
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 1:02 PM Post #27 of 95
Maybe, of course I can't be sure myself, but to me Sennheiser's sound is never overly bassy or punchy.  Since the OP require neutral or even reduced bass, I think the IE80 is a safe bet.  Remeber, you can tune the bass with the IE80, which you couldn't do with the W4R, 4ai, or UE900.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 1:03 PM Post #28 of 95
Oh ok mc21, I thought you were thinking I wanted more bass from the original post, when I said I wanted it to be apparent.  Yeah, sound quality is so subjective, and its really just when I have migraines that the bass is a big issue and it just makes them worse, and then have A LOT of bass regularly with induce a migraine as well, so having less is a good thing so I can listen to them for a longer period of time.  But for those of you that have had experience with the IE 80 and the W4R, you think that the bass on the W4R is to overwhelming, keep in mind, for the past about 2 years, I have been using my PC 360s/598s with no issues, so if its anything like that, then they should be good.  But then also, comfort wise, are the IE 80s and W4Rs similar?
 
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 1:09 PM Post #29 of 95
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auburneagle23 said:
Oh ok mc21, I thought you were thinking I wanted more bass from the original post, when I said I wanted it to be apparent.  Yeah, sound quality is so subjective, and its really just when I have migraines that the bass is a big issue and it just makes them worse, and then have A LOT of bass regularly with induce a migraine as well, so having less is a good thing so I can listen to them for a longer period of time.  But for those of you that have had experience with the IE 80 and the W4R, you think that the bass on the W4R is to overwhelming, keep in mind, for the past about 2 years, I have been using my PC 360s/598s with no issues, so if its anything like that, then they should be good.  But then also, comfort wise, are the IE 80s and W4Rs similar?
 
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The W4R is a lot bigger than the IE80 but could still be comfortable depends on on your ear shape.  I suggest you get a pair of IE80 with some T-500 Comply Foam Tips and you will be all set.
 
Jul 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM Post #30 of 95
DrSheep I was leaning toward the IE 80, so far Sennheiser hasn't let me down in the sound department over the years, and I have tried a pretty wide variety of other products and keep returning them.  I actually just bought the V-Moda Crossfade M100s and just sent them back today, was pretty disappointed, the build quality was fantastic on them, very impressed with the construction, the packaging, but the "over ear" design, yeah not so much, unless your a hobbit, and I don't really have large ears and they about fit maybe 3/4 my ear if that.  The quality was pretty good, I would say on par with my PC 360s.  So I suppose the disappointment was more the fit then the sound.  But I have to give them major points to the build, wish more companies would product like that.  I think I will give the IE 80s a try, I just took a look at the tips, they look good, as far as the cable, is the default one that comes with them pretty good, it just looks like standard rubber and has a rubber type seal that plugs in to the earbud.  Is this a standard type of cable that other manufacturers make replacement cables for or a proprietary cable to Sennheiser?  If not just to Sennheiser, are there any specific cables you guys suggest?  Preferably ones that don't tangle easily or at all, as much as the beats by dr dre are not great earbuds, the flat cables for them are pretty great from what I have seen, don't tangle at all, something like that, only with the plug and play tip would be great.
 
 
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