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Mar 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM Post #1,906 of 4,373
billsonchang007 said:
Apologize! I was saying H6 vs P7
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Ah. I see (reading your post again). My fault. I interpreted it like you were saying the P7 got too much bass - which you are not necessarily saying.
 
I haven't tried the H6 myself, but yes - that seems to be the consensus.
 
I prefer the HP50 over the P7 when it comes to bass, but I wouldn't want it to be any less bass than what the HP50 got.
 
If 5 was the perfect amount of bass on a scale from 1-10. I would give the HP50 a 5 and the P7 a 6. I would rather have a headset with 6 than 4 though. The Momentum would be a 6.5 maybe 7 - and would basically be the outer limit for acceptable bass in my opinion. Anything beyond 7 just becomes annoying. H6 definitely sounds like a 4 or less from the reviews I have read.
 
All down to personal preferences I guess. I wish the P7 had slightly less bass, but it also makes some tunes quite fun to listen to. Anything less than HP50 would be boring to me - and I don't really listen much to "bass heavy" music, but especially some metal (like Tool) loses some of its feel if the bass is too subdued.
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 6:30 PM Post #1,907 of 4,373
billsonchang007 said:
Apologize! I was saying H6 vs P7
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I auditioned the H6 and P7 side by side in the Apple store a couple of times. I went for the H6 because I generally prefer a more neutral sound sig and it was flatter to my ears than the P7. Also the P7 is too big and blingy for portable IMO.
 
But the P7 was very nice. I like warmer headphones when the warmth doesn't come at the expense of overall clarity. In most closed portables it does but my sense of the P7 was that it might one that pulls it off. But I'd need more time with them to properly assess, but can't afford both. Hence the original comment that I would enjoy the opportunity to spend some more time with the P7.
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 8:58 PM Post #1,908 of 4,373
elvergun said:
   
I think the problem (again, I think) you had is that the pair you tried was not yours, so you could not bend the headband to your heart's content.   Many people have reported (myself included) comfort problems that went away when they stretched the headband.
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Actually not in this case. Dave was kind enough to send me his second pair indefinitely. I've tried to work with the headband for comfort and with my glasses on that's a tough thing IMO.
 
wakeride74 said:
And there's battle for balance. On one hand I want something with a reasonably small footprint for portability and while on public transportation. On the other hand I am more concerned with SQ and of equal importance, something I can crank without leaking sound in a very quite office.

Did you do any leakage tests with these?
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They're quite good with regards to isolation and leakage...at least as good as say the B&O H6s.
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 9:51 PM Post #1,909 of 4,373
beocord said:
  ML would have made those if people had considered mikros to be worth 300$. People voted and the vote was for those to be awesome headphones for 70$. If ML were to release a fullsize can it would be priced somewhere around 800$...takes some allowances to hype for those.
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I dunno. I consider the Mikros 90's to be worth $300. Judging by how much I listen to them versus the M500's which are $300, I like them as much or more - they seem much more resolving, detailed, and balanced. I've listened to the P7's quite a few times at Futureshop as well, and I'm half convinced that the 90's are as good as them as far as SQ is concerned, but I'm gonna have to take the 90's there to compare one of these days.
 
Having said that, I don't know why they are getting out of the headphone business.
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 10:05 PM Post #1,910 of 4,373
waynes world said:
   
I dunno. I consider the Mikros 90's to be worth $300. Judging by how much I listen to them versus the M500's which are $300, I like them as much or more - they seem much more resolving, detailed, and balanced. I've listened to the P7's quite a few times at Futureshop as well, and I'm half convinced that the 90's are as good as them as far as SQ is concerned, but I'm gonna have to take the 90's there to compare one of these days.
 
Having said that, I don't know why they are getting out of the headphone business.
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If it weren't for fit issues, the mikros 90 would have had more love in the community of amazon, newegg, and other markets.
 
 
As it stands, while they have four stars overall, most of the people who hate them also have as high a reputation as the ones who considered them good.
 
Most of them got the mikros90 at a sale of $150 and below. They never stated that the mikros90 were worth $300.
 
Now if a headfier had these beauts and actually evaluated them, then it would have probably helped martin logan create an over ear that would be one bad ass bruce mofo. 
 
Too bad that's now how it works in our world, humans are evil. :frowning2:
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 10:07 PM Post #1,911 of 4,373
 
beocord said:
  ML would have made those if people had considered mikros to be worth 300$. People voted and the vote was for those to be awesome headphones for 70$. If ML were to release a fullsize can it would be priced somewhere around 800$...takes some allowances to hype for those.
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Yes, but what are you talking about here? Where did people vote for these headphones to be $70? If you don't articulate on that, you are probably disheartened by the credible hype on these phones. Why not try them? Then return to us and provide your thoughts on these.
 

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What are you talking about...have you even heard the Mikros 90?
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Dude, he MIGHT HAVE meant the amazon + newegg reviews. At LEAST, I hope so...unless they formed a poll here on headfi?
 
If not, somethings up with him.
 
It's not us specifically, it's the ignorant community at amazon and newegg buyers that may have thrown people off.  They even say that it's not worth the retail price. 
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 10:35 PM Post #1,912 of 4,373
The M90 is worth every bit of $300 in comparison to all the other $300 on ears out there. I agree with Wayne that is is as good sonically as the P7. I think what took the M90 down and made ML pull out of the headphone market is timing, competition, and lack of brand recognition, plus I think they would have been better served by an over ear headphone. I notice that several speaker manufacturers all tried to crash the headphone market with $300 headphones looking to cash in like B&W did. But B&W jumped in while the market was hot and competition lower allowing them to get a foot hold in the market. ML on the other hand missed that boat by a year and then were saddled by a couple of prolific reviewers negative reviews where the reviewer was either saddled with serious fit issues or unwilling to work with the headphone to make it fit. This resulted in more severe bashing of the M90 in regards to fit and signature than it deserved.

ML would have been wise to contact 10-15 reviewers here and on the net with reviewer pairs given away (so reviewers could stretch the HP a bit to help make them fit), to get a better consencus on the headphone. Or even better they should have done a similar contest/review panel like Vmoda did prior to their release.

In end I think they thought their name brand recognition and history would carry them. What they failed to realize is that the headphone market is less profitable and that many people wanting a headphone have no idea about about high quality audio manufacturers so would not know what they might be missing.
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 11:04 PM Post #1,913 of 4,373
dweaver said:
 Or even better they should have done a similar contest/review panel like Vmoda did prior to their release.

In end I think they thought their name brand recognition and history would carry them.
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You nailed it.   No marketing at all...they did the opposite of Vmoda and Beats.
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 11:21 PM Post #1,914 of 4,373
dweaver said:
The M90 is worth every bit of $300 in comparison to all the other $300 on ears out there. I agree with Wayne that is is as good sonically as the P7. I think what took the M90 down and made ML pull out of the headphone market is timing, competition, and lack of brand recognition, plus I think they would have been better served by an over ear headphone. I notice that several speaker manufacturers all tried to crash the headphone market with $300 headphones looking to cash in like B&W did. But B&W jumped in while the market was hot and competition lower allowing them to get a foot hold in the market. ML on the other hand missed that boat by a year and then were saddled by a couple of prolific reviewers negative reviews where the reviewer was either saddled with serious fit issues or unwilling to work with the headphone to make it fit. This resulted in more severe bashing of the M90 in regards to fit and signature than it deserved.

ML would have been wise to contact 10-15 reviewers here and on the net with reviewer pairs given away (so reviewers could stretch the HP a bit to help make them fit), to get a better consencus on the headphone. Or even better they should have done a similar contest/review panel like Vmoda did prior to their release.

In end I think they thought their name brand recognition and history would carry them. What they failed to realize is that the headphone market is less profitable and that many people wanting a headphone have no idea about about high quality audio manufacturers so would not know what they might be missing.
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100% agreed, though I'm still deciding whether marketing the headphone would have been a good idea.
 
Though, if the reviewers did give it a positive review, and the martin logan company did market this heapdhone to the consumer, consumers would definitely continue to have fit issues and consider this headphone to be a bad value for $300.
 
Me and doctorjazz have stated this problem before, and if we are not the only ones that had fit issues, then imagine the consumers.
 
As far as I know, the Harman kardon, who also came out with their headphone a bit earlier than martin logan are still doing fine, and they are on ear. From what I read, they have no fit issue what so ever. 
 
Even with marketing, if ML does not post instructions on how to get a proper fit on their earphones + headphones, then not only will the most proficient reviewers hate on these, so will the inexperienced consumer. Most of the comments in amazon and newegg has stated that they're only good for the current going price.
 
Would negative reviews change if the ML team marketed their mikros lineup though?
 
Mar 24, 2014 at 11:30 PM Post #1,915 of 4,373
If they did a panel they may have been able to change the design or come up with fit instructions . Vmoda did that very well with the M80. But be that as it may, I am very happy to get $300 worth of sound for $100 (Canada isn't so lucky price wise). I am also lucky in that while these are still very much an on ear headphone they seem to fit me very well.
 
Mar 25, 2014 at 12:04 AM Post #1,916 of 4,373
dweaver said:
If they did a panel they may have been able to change the design or come up with fit instructions . Vmoda did that very well with the M80. But be that as it may, I am very happy to get $300 worth of sound for $100 (Canada isn't so lucky price wise). I am also lucky in that while these are still very much an on ear headphone they seem to fit me very well.
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Thank you, that definitely corrects, (or at least probably corrects, if ML were to change them) that problem.
 
Okay, looks like ML should take notes when they want to re-enter the headphone market one day. 
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Mar 25, 2014 at 12:24 AM Post #1,917 of 4,373
Yup LOL, the good news is there loss is our gain :)
 
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