[SkiesOfAzel]

If they are sent out, I would reaaaaallly like them to make a stop on the east coast.

Yea my set literally has what I would categorize as at least a 6dB rise from like 65-45Hz and levels out there.

It's clearly audible compared to any other set with a flat response down low. Listen to the subbass sweeps in the beginning of the Usher song Euphoria that roll from ~80-30Hz and you'll easily hear it vs something that measures flat from above 100hz down.

 
Lol, if Luisdent actually agreed to part with a GOOD pair, i wouldn't mind at all sending it your way first. Your pair seems bassier than average, my pairs have ~4db over FA003 & HD600 @ 40hz. As for the lifted region, good pairs seem to have a boosted 20-100hz region while in some warmer pairs the upper limit can go higher. 

 

[LanceP11]

I got a new pair coming from Japan, not associated with eBay. I used white rabbit. There seems to be a decent consensus of good effective pairs when bought through white rabbit or other forwarding services, so I'm optimistic.

Btw, the jerks at the post office left a damn note saying they tried to leave my Doppio, but no one answered, so they left that note for re delivery. Now I have to wait until 10am tomorrow to get my Doppio. :/

 

[luisdent]

If they are sent out, I would reaaaaallly like them to make a stop on the east coast.


Yea my set literally has what I would categorize as at least a 6dB rise from like 65-45Hz and levels out there.


It's clearly audible compared to any other set with a flat response down low. Listen to the subbass sweeps in the beginning of the Usher song Euphoria that roll from ~80-30Hz and you'll easily hear it vs something that measures flat from above 100hz down.

Lol, if Luisdent actually agreed to part with a GOOD pair, i wouldn't mind at all sending it your way first. Your pair seems bassier than average, my pairs have ~4db over FA003 & HD600 @ 40hz. As for the lifted region, good pairs seem to have a boosted 20-100hz region while in some warmer pairs the upper limit can go higher. 

For reference, pun intended, my tenores are more neutral than the hd600 in the bass and mid bass to my ears. The hd600 has a slight amount of bass/mid bass boost. Which can make them seem bottom thick a tad. My reference tenores don't have this and sound similar to the hd600 bass if you eq it down a few db.

 

[james444]

Since I have all my Tenores back now, I decided to resume the exploration of my worst (bassy) pair. Removed the grills once more, to take a deeper look inside this time:
 

 
Interestingly, the diaphragm is placed behind a metal plate, that may be part of the housing or part of the driver... I can't tell for sure. But it's definitely solid metal, and there's only an about 1mm wide opening between the front part of the housing and the driver cavity.
 
YMMV, but considering there's a 6mm driver working behind an opening of only 1mm, I'd say no wonder these sound a bit congested / brickwalled with dynamic music.

 

[Inks]

I don't understand how driver placement has anything to do with dynamics, unless there is some scientific explanation, heck some manufacturers place micro drivers in even tighter space....

 

[SkiesOfAzel]

It's not just placement, it's the fact that the plate restricts air movement. The small opening is probably there to smooth out the treble, but it might also be responsible for the elevated bass and longish decay.

 

[Inks]

I'll say it's all theory and wild guesses unless someone who really knows has a say. Placement of a plate in relation to dynamics, still makes no sense, the plate is likely there to avoid distortion. Also, the decay isn't longish at all. 

 

[SkiesOfAzel]

Well, till you show me a decay spectrum graph that shows otherwise i will stick to my opinion about decay. As for distortion, this specific pair has a very obvious shell resonance issue.

 

[zest]

I got a new pair coming from Japan, not associated with eBay. I used white rabbit. There seems to be a decent consensus of good effective pairs when bought through white rabbit or other forwarding services, so I'm optimistic.

I don't understand why a japanese seller on ebay would be more risky than Amazon and what Amazon would do to be more reliable.

 
After reading posts above, I can't tell if my Tenores are right or not, I would say mid bass are at the level of GR07 Classic, but they're shy in sub bass with less rumble than GR07.

 

[vwinter]

I don't understand why a japanese seller on ebay would be more risky than Amazon and what Amazon would do to be more reliable.:rolleyes:

After reading posts above, I can't tell if my Tenores are right or not, I would say mid bass are at the level of GR07 Classic, but they're shy in sub bass with less rumble than GR07.

It could depend on where they get stock. It's entirely possible that zero audio sells QC passing stock to authorized japan-only retailers and lets the rest of the stock go to people who are to sell outside of Japan with no warranty service. It would be shady and I highly doubt it's happening, but it's not impossible.


A midbassy Tenore. That's a new one.

 

[TooLate]

anyone know how these stack up to re-400s?

 

[nmatheis]

anyone know how these stack up to re-400s?

I bet a thread-specific search will answer your question :wink_face:

 

[shotgunshane]

Sgs have you posted any comparisons between the Tenore and UERM? I think some members would be quite interested in your perspective, myself included, although I remember you've offered some relevant info via pm already.

 
I did a little comparison today and quickly put some thoughts together.
 
 
 
UERM vs. Tenore
 

 
Aerosmith - Sweet Emotion (DSD)
 

1. Bass drum is more prominent on the Tenore but the rest of the skins have less snap and punch than UERM. Drums are more resolved and realistic with UERM, and in direct comparison drums are dulled on the Tenore.
2. Tenore sounds a little further away from listener with very good width and depth but UERM sounds larger, taller, more lifelike and open.
3. Both resolve the triangles very well but they are a little more prominent with UERM, which is overall a bit brighter.
4. Instruments are better defined within their individual spaces with the UERM, producing fantastic layering that is missing in the Tenore; UERM gives greater sense of clarity and transparency.
5. Both produce very good distortion guitar crunch and bite, with the UERM having a harder edge.

 
 

 
Halestorm - Here’s to Us - [In The Live Room] (iTunes AAC download)
 

1. UERM has just a hint of the beginning of sibilance on Lzzy’s vocals but never quite fully produce the sss sound. Lzzy’s vocals are smoother on the Tenore but still have great resolution like the UERM- vocal inflections and details are presented with excellent emotion.
2. Vocals are front and center on the UERM. On the Tenore the vocals are not quite as intimate and bass guitar tends to share a little bit of the front layer of music with vocals.
3. Drums have fantastically defined snap and reverb on the UERM.  On the Tenore drums a more smoothed over and less defined. Cymbals have a more defined edge on the UERM without sounding harsh or over done and they are a little smoothed over by the Tenore in direct comparison.
4. Acoustic guitars have great realism and an organic timbre on the Tenore. The UERM’s greater resolution lets you better hear the sound of the pick slicing across the strings.  The UERM’s acoustic guitars are just a bit brighter sounding but still sound very realistic.
5. The UERM sounds overall faster and more dynamic than the Tenore, which helps to convey the raw power behind Lzzy’s voice and snap of skins from the drum kit.  It’s just a more moving overall experience.

 
 

 
Chantal Kreviazuk - Feels Like Home (ALAC)
 

1. On the UERM, the bass line, while being the backbone to the melody, stays behind the piano where it belongs, yet clearly guides you through the song. On the Tenore the bass line competes a bit with the piano throughout the melody, so it sounds less dynamic and authoritative.
2. The UERM’s cymbals are clearly defined with a very clean edge and better sparkle; Tenore cymbals are just a bit more smoothed, yet well defined with less sparkle, producing a flatter, less engaging sound.
3. The UERM sounds more intimate, yet more open at the same time- more spacious and better layered. Vocals take a much more dominant presence with the UERM versus the Tenore.
4. Overall the UERM has a harder edge to everything and the Tenore has more smooth and laid back/relaxing presentation. Chantal is almost thrust on you by the more energetic UERM but she is more aloof on the Tenore.

 

[SilverEars]

 
 

1. Drums have fantastically defined snap and reverb on the UERM.  On the Tenore drums a more smoothed over and less defined. Cymbals have a more defined edge on the UERM without sounding harsh or over done and they are a little smoothed over by the Tenore in direct comparison.
2.  
3. The UERM’s cymbals are clearly defined with a very clean edge and better sparkle; Tenore cymbals are just a bit more smoothed, yet well defined with less sparkle, producing a flatter, less engaging sound.
4.  

This what I've been saying all along when I say detailed are smoothed out with the Tenores.  Everything else sounded good, the clarity, the sound stage for the price it was marked for. My NT6 sould have similar sig as the RM, so I would think comparisons would more or less line-up with shotgun's

 

[zest]

It could depend on where they get stock. It's entirely possible that zero audio sells QC passing stock to authorized japan-only retailers and lets the rest of the stock go to people who are to sell outside of Japan with no warranty service. It would be shady and I highly doubt it's happening, but it's not impossible.


A midbassy Tenore. That's a new one.

I doubt there's a parallel market and Zero Audio knows what resellers do with their products.
 
I don't think Tenore are mid bassy earphones and I think GR07 are not either.