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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2566 of 5963
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I'm kind of hesitant to even post more impressions what with the apparent unit variances. My set probably has a bit of lifted low end if I had to ballpark it.

Like several others have said, they really do sound good with everything, good files, bad files. They excel at metal probably more than any other earphone I've heard since the GR07. Soundstage is very nice, with great depth. Height is where my usual suspects eke out a win in varying degrees, and maybe the last few degrees toward 180.

I'd probably disagree with people calling them warm. Even with boosted bass, it's a very cold and uninviting bass tbh, and the rest of the sound follows that lead. They are on the cool side I'd say.

What I absolutely don't get is people calling them smooth. They are very aggressive and really on the grainier side. The only IEM I own that they are smoother than is maybe the HJE900, if any of you remember that one, which isn't saying much.

Still sound amazing. biggrin.gif
Just some thoughts.

 

Very interesting. My set has zero grain. Unless you consider the er4s grainy? Mine has the smoothness of the er4s easy...

post #2567 of 5963
Quote:
Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I'm kind of hesitant to even post more impressions what with the apparent unit variances. My set probably has a bit of lifted low end if I had to ballpark it.

Like several others have said, they really do sound good with everything, good files, bad files. They excel at metal probably more than any other earphone I've heard since the GR07. Soundstage is very nice, with great depth. Height is where my usual suspects eke out a win in varying degrees, and maybe the last few degrees toward 180.

I'd probably disagree with people calling them warm. Even with boosted bass, it's a very cold and uninviting bass tbh, and the rest of the sound follows that lead. They are on the cool side I'd say.

What I absolutely don't get is people calling them smooth. They are very aggressive and really on the grainier side. The only IEM I own that they are smoother than is maybe the HJE900, if any of you remember that one, which isn't saying much.

Still sound amazing. biggrin.gif
Just some thoughts.

I have only one pair out of six that I'd call cold. All others were either warm or reference. Try an extremely deep fit with a narrow bore tip. That makes my cold pair sound much more neutral.
post #2568 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

Very interesting. My set has zero grain. Unless you consider the er4s grainy? Mine has the smoothness of the er4s easy...

ER4S I'd say is powdery sounding lol. Smoother than my Tenore for sure, as sure as I can remember liking the really clean sound of the ER4S, no complaints about smoothness there. The Tenore is a bit rough around note edges, and aggressive, which makes for a bit of a fatiguing listen, at least at a non-low volume.

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I have only one pair out of six that I'd call cold. All others were either warm or reference. Try an extremely deep fit with a narrow bore tip. That makes my cold pair sound much more neutral.

I'll try it. Any recommended tips for this experiment?


Also, this might be a bit odd to say, but the Tenore might have too much reverb action going on. Never thought I'd say that lol.
Edited by vwinter - 6/9/14 at 9:58pm
post #2569 of 5963
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

Very interesting. My set has zero grain. Unless you consider the er4s grainy? Mine has the smoothness of the er4s easy...

ER4S I'd say is powdery sounding lol. Smoother than my Tenore for sure, as sure as I can remember liking the really clean sound of the ER4S, no complaints about smoothness there. The Tenore is a bit rough around note edges, and aggressive, which makes for a bit of a fatiguing listen, at least at a non-low volume.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I have only one pair out of six that I'd call cold. All others were either warm or reference. Try an extremely deep fit with a narrow bore tip. That makes my cold pair sound much more neutral.

I'll try it. Any recommended tips for this experiment?


Also, this might be a bit odd to say, but the Tenore might have too much reverb action going on. Never thought I'd say that lol.

Interesting. I always found the er4s very smooth. My pair of tenores has no noticeable reverb either. I thought the re272 sounded like it had additional reverb properties, but not my tenore. My tenores are so much like my er4s it's a little weird. With better sub bass that is.
post #2570 of 5963
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

ER4S I'd say is powdery sounding lol. Smoother than my Tenore for sure, as sure as I can remember liking the really clean sound of the ER4S, no complaints about smoothness there. The Tenore is a bit rough around note edges, and aggressive, which makes for a bit of a fatiguing listen, at least at a non-low volume.
I'll try it. Any recommended tips for this experiment?


Also, this might be a bit odd to say, but the Tenore might have too much reverb action going on. Never thought I'd say that lol.

I use small DBA-02 tips for a deep fit.
post #2571 of 5963
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I'm kind of hesitant to even post more impressions what with the apparent unit variances. My set probably has a bit of lifted low end if I had to ballpark it.

Like several others have said, they really do sound good with everything, good files, bad files. They excel at metal probably more than any other earphone I've heard since the GR07. Soundstage is very nice, with great depth. Height is where my usual suspects eke out a win in varying degrees, and maybe the last few degrees toward 180.

I'd probably disagree with people calling them warm. Even with boosted bass, it's a very cold and uninviting bass tbh, and the rest of the sound follows that lead. They are on the cool side I'd say.

What I absolutely don't get is people calling them smooth. They are very aggressive and really on the grainier side. The only IEM I own that they are smoother than is maybe the HJE900, if any of you remember that one, which isn't saying much.

Still sound amazing. biggrin.gif
Just some thoughts.

 

 

My pair is neither warm nor cold, midbass is very linear. When i call the Tenores smooth i am talking about the treble. I've done more sine sweeps than is considered healthy and i could find no spikes whatsoever. There was only a slight dip between 4.5 and 5k. The HJE900 had a treble response similar to a cardiogram :tongue_smile:, it could become very piercing with certain recordings. 

 

I do agree about the reverb emphasis though. It does it in the midbass-lower mids region, it's how it creates the sense of depth. I wouldn't call it too much, but it certainly accentuates badly recorded bass lines and guitars. Maybe that's what you find rough with its sound cause the mids and highs are very clean (some members have even called them too clean). I'd advise you to fiddle with insertion depth, deep insertion does tend to increase the perception of recorded reverb (more noticeable decay) and those aren't meant for deep insertion, just take a look at how the default tips are shaped.

 

In other news, i've also developed a channel imbalance. I've abused my ears so much during the previous days with all that testing and tip swapping that my left inner ear has developed a slight swelling. Thank god the problem is with my ear and not the Tenores :biggrin:.

 

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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

Remove the filters and see the awesomeness 😉
 
Maybe if you also remove the cable they become even more awesome :tongue_smile:.

Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/10/14 at 5:21am
post #2572 of 5963
Quote:
Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I'm kind of hesitant to even post more impressions what with the apparent unit variances. My set probably has a bit of lifted low end if I had to ballpark it.

Like several others have said, they really do sound good with everything, good files, bad files. They excel at metal probably more than any other earphone I've heard since the GR07. Soundstage is very nice, with great depth. Height is where my usual suspects eke out a win in varying degrees, and maybe the last few degrees toward 180.

I'd probably disagree with people calling them warm. Even with boosted bass, it's a very cold and uninviting bass tbh, and the rest of the sound follows that lead. They are on the cool side I'd say.

What I absolutely don't get is people calling them smooth. They are very aggressive and really on the grainier side. The only IEM I own that they are smoother than is maybe the HJE900, if any of you remember that one, which isn't saying much.

Still sound amazing. biggrin.gif
Just some thoughts.

 

I don't think tenore is cold though, its not completely warm, neutral with a hint of warm. 

It's very clean sounding though, but its still very smooth. it has amazing depth and staging also. 

Comparing it to my UE11 i prefer the tenore. UE11 has better lows and details, but still overall performance as an all rounder I easly choose my tenore. in fact i rarely using the UE11 eversince I bought TH600 and pandora, but I still listen to tenore on frequent basis.

post #2573 of 5963
This has to be the most hyped iem ever on head fi, at least from what I have read. These are fantastic and I own a couple pairs, but to say they beat 400-600-800-1000 phones, custom builds and on and on are up to those who listen to them.

They are very good and I enjoy them very much, but they are not without flaws.

The $50 to $100 price range is stacked with many contenders. I agree that price doesn't determine sq. If we factor everything into determining how good an iem is (build quality, desired sound signatures, accessories, ergonomics and so on) we might end up deciding that these Tenores (despite the fact that they are great) aren't superior to everything under $1000, or that they aren't the only option if someone is looking for the best iem under the sun, $50, $100, $200,and so on...

I just don't want to be misleading to people getting into this hobby.

If someone is looking for a relatively flat and neutral sounding iem that has good balance and is detailed, and would like a slight boost in the sub bass region, and durability is not a big concern, the tenore is right up their alley.
Edited by Hisoundfi - 6/10/14 at 5:38am
post #2574 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post
If someone is looking for a relatively flat and neutral sounding iem that has good balance and is detailed, and would like a slight boost in the sub bass region, and durability is not a big concern, the tenore is right up their alley.

 

Great description.  I feel like if nothing else, the Tenore's are overall a strong IEM within this price range because they are very good in terms of not having any particularly glaring flaws.  You'll be able to find other iem's that do specific things better than Tenore's, but overall Tenore's are a pretty solid performer in every area I can think of. 

 

 

 

post #2575 of 5963

So, one of my tenore's earbuds is quieter than the other now. Has anyone here opened one up yet to try to fix something like this?

post #2576 of 5963
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Originally Posted by paralas View Post
 

So, one of my tenore's earbuds is quieter than the other now. Has anyone here opened one up yet to try to fix something like this?

 

Before opening it up, try sucking air out of the vent of the quieter phone. If the problem persists you should try to get them replaced. Performing surgery on it should be your last resort.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/10/14 at 11:25am
post #2577 of 5963
Or buy the dunu dn2000 😃
post #2578 of 5963
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

Or buy the dunu dn2000 😃

Lol!
post #2579 of 5963
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

Or buy the dunu dn2000 😃

 

Should he buy them with or without the filters?

post #2580 of 5963
😁... Still amazing and surpassing all of my iem which is on sale if interested pm me😃
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