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Jun 24, 2016 at 7:52 AM Post #3,241 of 7,916
audioxxx said:
4. This is my first LG phone, I don't really care for the latest version of Android, I prefer stabiliy over the latest update, and to be honest there's not much of an update with MM.

Please be wrong about support. I am thinking there will, and should be a cult following with this legendary sounding phone, and LG release the bootloader's, so some decent ROMs can be made. But even as is for me on 5.1.1 and rooted. I'll be happy as a pig in mud for at least 6 months, no problems.

I've heard most of the Samsung offerings, and a few iPhone on demo, but no, Chinese smart phones. And I compare it against my Sony zx2. Which isn't the best comparison offerings. And as far as value goes $600.00 is a lot but with all the features and quality screen, you end up with some quality features. I would have payed more.
And finally I agree the g5 failed, even the display model had a cracked rear glass panel. The module draw, with a one sided locking mechanism is easily damaged. The non availability of the audio module in our local shop, and lockout of non compliant devices is a failure.
I think they may actually get clever and put the audio module inside the G6, and concentrate on external battery capacity, and durability.

The problem is squeezing all these features in one tiny and thin device. It ends up bloody huge, like the v10.

However compared to the massive DAP/bricks for sale, the v10 phones are very thin. But do not sound good as a dedicated high end DAP. It's still come a long way knocking most mid end DAP's I've heard out of the contest. But not the ZX2, the multiple layers, and tonal qualities are not comparable. I do my listening with the Rhapsodio Solar 10ba iem's (these are remarkable).
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There is the cult of V10. I believe V10 is one of the best by now but MM can block DAC for 3rd parties. Android isn't friendly with audiomaniacs cause of 44-48 Khz only output. And companies don't adapt it good enough to use DAC power.
$1450 headphones is out of my league. I am happy enough with Audio-Technica ATH-IM03 (2 month since UE Triple.fi 10 died). I checked V10 after my G2 became problematic, but it's too big and can't find it at dealers (LG site reports it as cancelled). Now is one week with HTC 10. Much much better than G2. Less neutral than V10 (as reported) but in one league.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 8:56 AM Post #3,242 of 7,916
rioter said:
There is the cult of V10. I believe V10 is one of the best by now but MM can block DAC for 3rd parties. Android isn't friendly with audiomaniacs cause of 44-48 Khz only output. And companies don't adapt it good enough to use DAC power.
$1450 headphones is out of my league. I am happy enough with Audio-Technica ATH-IM03 (2 month since UE Triple.fi 10 died). I checked V10 after my G2 became problematic, but it's too big and can't find it at dealers (LG site reports it as cancelled). Now is one week with HTC 10. Much much better than G2. Less neutral than V10 (as reported) but in one league.
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I hope this cult keeps growing to millions of LG v10 audio enthusiasts, around the world :smiling_imp:.

For some strange reason many country's around the world missed the official release of the v10, can't imagine why LG wants to shoot themselves in the foot.
I like the HTC 10 looks like a great phone (size is perfect), the front speakers would be great. But the lack of removable battery leaned me toward LG, and I imported a v10 that works with all our local radio cell bands.

But I could have been very happy with HTC 10. I hope you get some good tunes/times from it.:innocent:



What a pity that the Android output and DACs are limited to such a low resampling output, this is the nature of keeping so many devices in line with a complicated eco system. And what's the point with most of the crud IEM's supplied with most phones and their crud flat internal DAC's.

There has to be limitations, however Onkyo, and Sony have configured their versions to boogie with high res, so it's possible within Android. And possible with apps like power amp alpha, I believe. So as long as the hardware implementation is good, there will be hope through software updates for high resolution audio.

As far as IEM's go, I was really happy with my UE900,(still use them for work) with the bass boosted, but these Solar's are mind boggling, and sound like I'm there with the band's, and for me end game, and wallet busting.

So glad I have them now, and I hope, I'm done and as far as IEM's go, and smart phones for now :rage:.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 10:45 AM Post #3,243 of 7,916
rioter said:
  1. It's good but only if you can charge battery separately from phone.
2. Good feature, 50% of smartphones use it. 600$ for not-so-new-flagman?
3. Not so tough as bulky. Too big for phone, not comfortable to use and not so tough as Motorola X Force.
4. Check it with Marshmallow and pray for N update. LG likes to drop support.
5. What phones did you heard? What headphones are you using? Did you compare it directly?
 
LG G5 is a failed product. Fragile modules connection, not good without HiFi-module, overpriced.
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Why the hate? Your comments are personal issues with the phone which I doubt you even own.. I don't own an LG as well, but I'm on a continuous search for an alternative to a bulky Phone/DAP+DAC/Amp Combo.
1. The Point is, it has a "Removable Battery". And yes, V10 has an External Battery charging dock.
2. Not all HiFi Smartphones have expandable storage. Price of V10 is now around $300-400.
3. I've held the V10 on a store and it feels solid, comfortable and has a premium feel to it. "Moto X Force"?? so what's the DAC/Amp inside your "Moto X Force"?? Enlighten us..
4. Audioxxx simply stated that it is unnecessary for him to update the software as it is stable. Not sure what's your problem with that? and btw, Most companies tend to ditch their products after 2-3years. Not just LG. Seems like you're a LG hater.
5. The topic here is about Audiophile Smartphone. So I return the same questions to you. What phones have you heard? What headphones are you using? Are you going to post something useful to this thread instead of bashing a product?
 
LG G5 is a failed product? Can you post pictures or videos of your failed G5 (if you ever have one)?? Not good w/o HiFi module? Can you post a review of the G5 with and w/o the B&O module? Overpriced? $450 is overpriced for you? So what phone are you currently using then? Honestly.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 12:03 PM Post #3,244 of 7,916
rioter said:
   
There is the cult of V10. I believe V10 is one of the best by now but MM can block DAC for 3rd parties. Android isn't friendly with audiomaniacs cause of 44-48 Khz only output. And companies don't adapt it good enough to use DAC power.
 
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What do you mean by this? Fact is the MM update actually opened up the internal ESS DAC so it can be used with all 3rd party apps. The DAC Fix app is no longer required to access the DAC with other apps besides the LG music player & Tidal as it was when the phone launched. Also, the V10 with MM has worked with every USB DAC I've tried so far (the N update maybe an issue, I haven't updated yet but if there is a problem that would not be LG's fault) 
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 1:47 PM Post #3,245 of 7,916
Some disillusions regarding balanced schemes, DSD format, hi-res and etc.
Article is in Russian, so please use Google translate.
http://ozvuke.pro/index.php?showtopic=2344
Worth to read, IMHO.
P.S. Xiaomi MI5 is nothing fancy in terms of sound. It has good power to drive earbuds. Clean sound. But it's not an audiosmartphone, just one of Qualcomm buddies.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 2:46 PM Post #3,246 of 7,916
I respectfully disagree that the G5 is a "failed product." Perhaps in the form of revenue for LG it is, but for my personal use I am loving it just as much as my S7 and more than my HTC 10. I paid $300 less for it than my S7 ($100 less if you include the Hi-Fi module I bought) and it handily whoops the S7 and outclasses the HTC. Now thaty they're $400ish unlocked on eBay, it's a phone I can easily recommend and the Sabre 9028 Hi-Fi module makes things sound outstanding. I hear no difference (other than perhaps total volume) between this and my Dragonfly Red, which is a very good thing. V10 to me was great at audio and not much else. Big, clunky, odd design and it just isn't as refined as the G5 for me. Sure the modules are gimicky, but I have never taken out the Hi-Fi plus module. It's lived in the phone from day one. 
 
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Jun 24, 2016 at 3:18 PM Post #3,247 of 7,916
seesax said:
  I respectfully disagree that the G5 is a "failed product." Perhaps in the form of revenue for LG it is, but for my personal use I am loving it just as much as my S7 and more than my HTC 10. I paid $300 less for it than my S7 ($100 less if you include the Hi-Fi module I bought) and it handily whoops the S7 and outclasses the HTC. Now thaty they're $400ish unlocked on eBay, it's a phone I can easily recommend and the Sabre 9028 Hi-Fi module makes things sound outstanding. I hear no difference (other than perhaps total volume) between this and my Dragonfly Red, which is a very good thing. V10 to me was great at audio and not much else. Big, clunky, odd design and it just isn't as refined as the G5 for me. Sure the modules are gimicky, but I have never taken out the Hi-Fi plus module. It's lived in the phone from day one. 
 
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I agree that you disagree
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. It's only fair to say that a product "failed" if more than 50% of its owners say so. Otherwise, bashing a product without owning one is completely BS. As for the G5, I'm still undecided because I really wanted that big crisp display and the design of the V10. I wish something better comes up soon.
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 3:41 PM Post #3,248 of 7,916
seti06 said:
The regular Axon. Not the 7, Pro,Elite, or Mini. Comes with a standard 2gb memory and 32gb storage. It comes with a pair if jbl iem. They are a bass heavy pair of iem. I use my vsonic vsd1s and shure 240 all the time and love it. Cowork brought his AKG 553 and even he was wowed. He connected the Fiio Aspen to the Axon. But both agreed that the Axon was more musical without the Aspen.
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Funny Story. Let my coworker hear my ZTE Axon again. And, once again he connected the Fiio Aspen. He is now disappointed with the sound of the Fiio. He said that it is to "Warm" and that it cuts out way to much of the highs. I must agree! I absolutely love this phone! By far the best sounding phone that I have ever heard! ZTE does not have a huge presence here in the U.S.  so I know that this is a sleeper! But, boy am I glad that I have this phone. Between the ZTE Axon and my Colorfly C3 I always have great sounding audio on hand!  
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 5:32 PM Post #3,249 of 7,916
Did I read correctly that the hi-fi module for the G5 can act as a USB DAC for other phones (or did I imagine that?) :joy:
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 5:47 PM Post #3,250 of 7,916
duncan said:
Did I read correctly that the hi-fi module for the G5 can act as a USB DAC for other phones (or did I imagine that?) :joy:
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It's universal! Works with PC too!
 
Jun 24, 2016 at 8:07 PM Post #3,251 of 7,916
duncan said:
Did I read correctly that the hi-fi module for the G5 can act as a USB DAC for other phones (or did I imagine that?) :joy:
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Yes, it seems people are using it as a external DAC as well, and this is a true milestone in Mobile phone's.
I was so excited to see the G5 at our local shop, well that was until the shop assistant gave me that blank stare when I asked her to get the B&O module, and I'll buy it.
That's right, I had to let her know about it. And it looks like Australia misses out on the hi-fi module. Which is s real shame.
 
Jun 25, 2016 at 4:37 AM Post #3,254 of 7,916
Hmm, tempted to pick up the LG DAC to go head to head against the DFR.
 
Jun 25, 2016 at 6:01 AM Post #3,255 of 7,916
I would, give it a test listen, if I didn't already have v10, and, I'm really happy with it.
(the store who cut my sim card had the g5), I would have impulsively bought the G5 on the spot and imported the module if I wasn't so excited about the v10.

I think if phone companies, (LG) keep's this up the DAP makers should be very concerned. And maybe start looking at adding some phone technologies pretty quickly:smiling_imp:.

But I have read that the B&O module is not going to work in the G5, unless it's made for compatibility, within the local market.

Has anyone tried this With an AU model

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Very interesting thread.

Looking forward to the LG V10 2nd gen. Anyone know anything about it?
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I don't think the v 10 successor will be out anytime soon, (maybe 6 month's).

Not with the G5 released, and the V10 sales, going strong.
 
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