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post #9826 of 19481
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

Some brief and, no doubt, premature impressions of the X5, which I've only had for two and a half days:

 

The X5's PCM1792A DAC implementation is extraordinary - its warm and organic Line Out is very appealing to my tastes, especially when used with amps and headphones that are neutral and transparent. The DAC's great sound, in combination with the fact that it is DSD-capable, has led me to abandon my original plan of using the X5 solely as a transport for S/PDIF Coaxial Out to an external DAC.  

 

Prior to getting the X5, I had imagined using its Headphone Out only occasionally, but it's impressive as well, and I won't hesitate to use it when I want to keep my rig as small and light as possible, but... The amp section itself is on the warm side of neutral (which is fine for some headphones, certainly), but I can also hear a very slight veil of distortion - the X5 amp is not transparent (as best evidenced in the treble region, under scrutiny with the HD800), compared to using the X5 Line Out to the extremely neutral and transparent Meier Audio Corda Stepdance portable amp.  

 

This distortion in the X5 amp section is so "fine-grained" that it doesn't really bother me at all for those times when I would want to maximize portability by using the X5's Headphone Out. I'm being seriously nit-picky here, but reading the data sheet for the LMH6643 op-amp, just now, it seems (this is just my conjecture) that FiiO chose the LMH6643, in part, for its relatively high current output (75mA) in combination with its ability to operate on supply voltages as low as 2.7V, with low power consumption. Texas Instruments doesn't market the LMH6643 for use in audio applications, but overall, FiiO did pretty well, thinking outside the box to chose that op-amp and make it sound as good as it does.

 

For my tastes, though (aside from the amp's almost undetectable distortion), when using non-neutral, "colored" headphones like the Sennheiser Amperior, the X5's Headphone Out (DAC+amp) is too warm and dark, but I bet it would sound great with a bright and bass-lacking headphone like the AKG K550. Though not at all bright nor lacking in bass energy, my OPPO PM-1 is neutral enough and efficient enough to sound really great on the X5's Headphone Out. In fact, and I mean this sincerely, the X5's bassy and warm Headphone Out makes the PM-1 (and thus the forthcoming PM-2) sound a lot like my Audeze LCD-2 rev.1 does with neutral DACs and amps - a good thing, in my opinion.  When the less expensive PM-2 comes out, I can imagine a lot of people enjoying them plugged directly into the X5 Headphone Out - which, in my opinion, doesn't quite have enough power to drive the less efficient Sennheiser HD650 to their best performance.

 

Meanwhile, having tried a lot of combinations, including Coaxial Out to the DACs of a Beresford Bushmaster MkII, the CEntrance DACmini CX, and OPPO HA-1 - with various amps (including those just mentioned, plus my Schiit Vali, Stepdance and iBasso PB2 portable amps) and headphones (including the OPPO PM-1, Audeze LCD-2 rev. 1, and Sennheiser HD650), I again have to emphasize that I'm finding the X5's DAC section to be so appealing that it deserves to be heard via the Line Out.

 

Here's my favorite portable X5 chain so far, (having tried several headphones and rolling Muses 02, LME49990 and OPA1612 in my iBasso PB2 Pelican):

 

X5 Line Out > 15V-powered Meier Stepdance > OPPO PM-1

 

And for desktop use, which I haven't explored as thoroughly, the current winners are:

 

X5 Line Out > OPPO HA-1 balanced out > Sennheiser HD800 (but only for well-mastered recordings!)  

 

X5 Line Out > OPPO HA-1 balanced out > OPPO PM-1 (for any and all recordings)   

 

For reference sake, I'll add that, for the LCD-2 rev.1, I prefer the OPPO HA-1's own ESS9018 DAC, when used with the HA-1 amp, balanced out.  The LCD-2 rev.1 has enough color on its own - it doesn't need the PCM1792A's warmth, in my opinion, but the X5's DAC is just exactly what the HD800 needs, with lots of clean power inserted. The OPPO HA-1's own ESS9018 implementation is too neutral for the HD800, but again, perfect for the LCD-2 rev.1.

 

OK, so much for keeping this brief, but I have to add, that just folder-browsing, I've still not seen any X5 bugs running the 2.0 firmware (which is not what I was expecting!), and I didn't have to reformat my cards within the X5 itself and load my WAV and DSD files afresh, although I think "x RELIC x" deserves some applause for patiently emphasizing that strategy for those who have had problems with their cards.

 

The X5 is a keeper!  

 

Mike

 

Excellent review and impressions of X5!  Thanks!

 

I have similar impressions with you, mostly on the X5 headphone output.  I've used X5 for more than a month. Although I like the smooth sounding midrange of the X5 headphone output, I do feel it is lacking a little bit of air, especially for classical. Also lacking a little bit of micro details.  For pop and modern genres, the tonality of the headphone output is pretty good, smooth and a touch warm.  But for classical I prefer a more airy sound signature.

 

Again, you're right, the headphone output of X5 generally matches quite well with natural to natural-bright earphones and headphones.  My DUNU DN-1000 sounds pretty good with X5 headphone output, slightly better than when paired with my DX90.

 

Will try more the line out with external amp later.

post #9827 of 19481
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Originally Posted by SoundSquare View Post

I did more tests, reformated the card with the X5 directly, which formats it to FAT32. I copied around 100Gb of flac files, and when i start to build the library it stops around 250 files. In browser mode, all folders are displayed, but i can enter only a small part of it, around the same amount of files (250), other folders are displayed but when i select them it says "no music found". 
I tried with less files (around 40Gb) and have the same issue. Of course the card and its content work perfectly in any other device (PC, card reader on my blu ray player etc). So i don't think 128Gb cards are well supported, maybe it works with a few models but not with mine (Samsung 128Gb card, not a cheap one). 


Since you formatted with the X5 do you know if you have any artwork or .pdf files that may be causing the hang ups?
Some artwork may be too large and my X5 hangs on some .pdf files if I forget to remove them (linear notes that come with some downloaded music). I believe the maximum size of the artwork the X5 can handle is 1000x1000 pixels (although this is huge for a 400x360 screen).

If these aren't the issue then have you tried the music checker James posted earlier? I've never used it but here it is. Link

If all your music files are cleared with the songs detection tool are there any other stray files in the folders?

After eliminating these possible causes you may still have a buggered file and need to narrow down the folder that contains the track giving the X5 an issue, which could take some time. See this post if you haven't already.

As ClieOS pointed out, not all files are read universally by all players. Perhaps your blu ray player plays/ignores a certain file while the X5 hangs on it.

Edit: Do any of your files or folder names contain non-standard characters that the X5 may not recognize?

Edit #2: Do you have another card to try just to be sure it's not your Samsung card the X5 doesn't like? Your current card should be fine but possibly worth a try.

Edit #3: Are all your tags in your music files clean? Proper names and all. I can't remember which tags they are but some have reported that certain tags hang the X5.

That should cover everything. Good luck.
Edited by x RELIC x - 5/27/14 at 3:09am
post #9828 of 19481
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

The problem with saying that the user's files could be at fault is that it often trigger an automatic user response of 'this is fanboyism and you guy just don't want to admit the X5 could be at fault'. Sometime it is indeed the problem of X5, but it is also worth the effort to rule out any issue that might be in the files. I have had almost no problem with my X5, but actually got a few mp3 albums being skipped by iPod Nano 7G due to encoder setting issue. Just want to point out that, while your music might be fine on one player or on PC, it doesn't mean it is universally good.

 

Exactly. I'll gladly share frustrations or bugs that arise with my devices, but only after I check my own use / interaction with the device first.

 

I'm feeling really bad now about some early disparaging comments about the X5 HPO because I found myself preferring it today over the E12DIY (with OPA1611 & HA9P500 op amp and buffer combo). Previously it wasn't even close whereas today the HPO had better micro detail and stage size than the E12DIY - partly a reflection of a sub-par amp/buffer combo, but more so a reflection of much improved sound from the HPO since I first used the player. It seems to have gradually improved over the last few weeks of sporadic use.

post #9829 of 19481
So after spending the weekend ripping CDs j to FLAC, today I finally got to take the X5 for a road test on my work commute!

Wow!! What a step up from iPhone 5S/touch I was using previously! It sounds so clear, no muddy sounds, everything layered wonderfully.

The Tron Legacy soundtrack sounds fantastic in lossless as does the remastered Definitely Maybe by Oasis... I got loads more to add to FLAC at home so very excited to hear new things...

Using my B&W P3 phones but already considering a new pair!!

Has anyone tried V-moda XS phones yet with the X5?? Was tempted with them prior to changing iPod to the X5...
post #9830 of 19481
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Originally Posted by reihead View Post

I use this charger for both my X3 and X5.
Takes about 4 hours for a full charge.
Also available in amazon Europe.


This is the charger I use. Charges 5 devices at the same time, full speed.
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Sized-Desktop-Charger-PowerIQ-Technology/dp/B00GTGETFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401189725&sr=8-1&keywords=Anker+40+watt+usb+charger
post #9831 of 19481

Is this a common bug? This is the second time I believe this has happened.

I charged my x5 fully yesterday, using the supplied cable and an iPhone USB to outlet adapter (what I usually do) and charged it for a few hours until the light turned green.

I went to play it in my car this morning and it was about to die.

 

I have my auto-shut off turned on and everything so it wasn't running all night.

 

Anyone else experience this?

 

 

Also, if there is a specific song that makes the x5 crash is there anything I can do to fix it? Besides not play it :)

post #9832 of 19481
I received my X5 sometime early April. I use it daily, averaging around 2hrs+ each day (commute to & back from work/golf). So far, I've yet to experience any crashes or skipping.

Am using 2 x 64GB Sandisk cards. Unpacked them, formatted to FAT32 using SD Formatter 4, then formatted again in the X5 (a bit of overkill, I know ... But always better safe than sorry).

Copied my FLACs on to the cards (24/96 max). Card 1 90% full, card 2 65%.

All files have proper tags (done on mp3tag) & embedded album art (all same size 500 x 500 JPGs). If the rips are not my own, I always delete all tags & album art, then re-tag and re-embed art using mp3tag.

Usage: HO when on the move, LO when home.

Result: almost 2 full months without crashes or skipping.

Note: I'm still on firmware 1.20. Am tempted to upgrade to 2.0, but hesitant due to reports of issues on this thread. I can't properly tell if these issues are firmware related, or something else (micro SD, file tags, album art, problems during ripping process, etc.). On the safe side, I'm sticking to 1.20 until flawless firmware is released .... although I'm still tempted by the possibility of better SQ with the 2.0.

I hope sharing my experience with the X5 will help out some other owner who may be facing problems with their unit. BTW, I'm not a FiiO fanboy. The only other FiiO products I own are the E11 (paired with my iPod 5gen) and RC SE1 cable (not impressed). The X5 is my first HD DAP.


2 questions:
1 - Anyone here on F2.0 with similar usage as me ... can you share your experience, especially if you're having a smooth operation without crashes and/or skipping? I'd really like to upgrade to 2.0, if possible.

2 - Can I downgrade FW back to 1.20 from 2.0? If so, how?

- Cheers -
post #9833 of 19481

@Relic

 

Thanks a lot for your feeback and suggestions, i will investigate about my files, no matter how long it will take !

 

EDIT : something really bothers me....  i copied around 20Gb of files again on this card, i browse and try to play them in Foobar, no problem. I put the card in the X5, browse it and discover than most of the folders are empty !!! no music found.  I put the card back in the PC and folders are still empty now.... like the X5 damaged the indexes or something, and i haven't even tried to build the library. So now files are there... just invisible... (but the card remaining free space shows that the files should still be there).

 

PUZZLED !?!!?!!!

 

At least it saves me from checking my files....  

no problems with my smaller 64gb and 32gb cards, with the same files and folders.

 

EDIT 2 : 

 

After doing a CHKDSK on the card back into windows, it finds some errors, and only the first 25 folders (7.94 GB, 426 files) are still on the card, all other folders where converted to faulty 32kb files by CHKDSK.  The X5 doesn't like this card, and loves to ruin the content : ) 


Edited by SoundSquare - 5/27/14 at 6:27am
post #9834 of 19481
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Originally Posted by SoundSquare View Post
 

@Relic

 

Thanks a lot for your feeback and suggestions, i will investigate about my files, no matter how long it will take !

 

EDIT : something really bothers me....  i copied around 20Gb of files again on this card, i browse and try to play them in Foobar, no problem. I put the card in the X5, browse it and discover than most of the folders are empty !!! no music found.  I put the card back in the PC and folders are still empty now.... like the X5 damaged the indexes or something, and i haven't even tried to build the library. So now files are there... just invisible... (but the card remaining free space shows that the files should still be there).

 

PUZZLED !?!!?!!!

 

At least it saves me from checking my files....  

no problems with my smaller 64gb and 32gb cards, with the same files and folders.

This sounds almost exactly like what happened to someone recently ho had a fake card. Try copying all your music across, ejecting it from the PC and then putting it back in the PC. If the files still disappear without you having putting it into the X5, then it's a fake card.

post #9835 of 19481

yes i'm beginning to think that this card may be fake (even if it's a branded samsung one with a genuine sticker..), i'll test it with H2testw and see how it goes. 

post #9836 of 19481
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Originally Posted by SoundSquare View Post
 

yes i'm beginning to think that this card may be fake (even if it's a branded samsung one with a genuine sticker..), i'll test it with H2testw and see how it goes. 


Maybe it's just a faulty card! It happens!

post #9837 of 19481
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Originally Posted by earfonia View Post
 

 

Excellent review and impressions of X5!  Thanks!

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I have similar impressions with you, mostly on the X5 headphone output.  I've used X5 for more than a month. Although I like the smooth sounding midrange of the X5 headphone output, I do feel it is lacking a little bit of air, especially for classical. Also lacking a little bit of micro details.  For pop and modern genres, the tonality of the headphone output is pretty good, smooth and a touch warm.  But for classical I prefer a more airy sound signature.

 

Again, you're right, the headphone output of X5 generally matches quite well with natural to natural-bright earphones and headphones.  My DUNU DN-1000 sounds pretty good with X5 headphone output, slightly better than when paired with my DX90.

 

Will try more the line out with external amp later.

 

 

Thanks earfonia,

 

We are on the same page.

 

:beerchug:

post #9838 of 19481
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Originally Posted by monkeybone View Post

2 questions:
1 - Anyone here on F2.0 with similar usage as me ... can you share your experience, especially if you're having a smooth operation without crashes and/or skipping? I'd really like to upgrade to 2.0, if possible.

2 - Can I downgrade FW back to 1.20 from 2.0? If so, how?

- Cheers -

Hi

I have a crash and skip-free existence on 2.0 for several weeks now.

You can install any fw over any other according to FiiO. So if you don't get on with 2.0, just download and install 1.20 as if it were a new firmware.

post #9839 of 19481
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Originally Posted by thericochet View Post

Hi
I have a crash and skip-free existence on 2.0 for several weeks now.
You can install any fw over any other according to FiiO. So if you don't get on with 2.0, just download and install 1.20 as if it were a new firmware.

Wow. That's a quick reply.

Good to know. I was worried an older FW would not install on top of a newer one, like on some other gear I own. Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like I'm gonna have to try out FW 2.0 this weekend.

Again, thanks.
post #9840 of 19481
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Originally Posted by jlch View Post

Hello
I'm still struggling trying to operate à SSD through the X5 OTG.
If somebody has managed to have a working combination, could he please let me know :
The brand of the SSD
The brand of the enclosure ??
Thanks
(I'm prone to think that this  SSD OTG X5 story is quite mythical, since I didn't come across any witness so far).
Reason for asking : I have about 400GB of music.
Search my posts in this thread, I have an enclosure that works - in actual fact, link here to the enclosure...

Hope it helps,
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