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post #16 of 106

People become too nice to me because they think I‘m wearing a hearing aid.


Edited by raylliant - 3/31/13 at 4:30am
post #17 of 106
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Adding three more:

 

UM Mage: Overly bright at times.

UE PRM: Pricy, Hard to Get

UE18: Kind of like JH13 and JH16. Has more bass than UERM(IRM) but less resolution and detail. More pricier than UERM.

 

*Note that I have not heard all these IEMs. This is a conclusion made from my hours research. You can totally disagree, and I respect that.

post #18 of 106
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

Adding three more:

 

UM Mage: Overly bright at times.

UE PRM: Pricy, Hard to Get

UE18: Kind of like JH13 and JH16. Has more bass than UERM(IRM) but less resolution and detail. More pricier than UERM.

 

*Note that I have not heard all these IEMs. This is a conclusion made from my hours research. You can totally disagree, and I respect that.

 

I've got no problem with people pointing out the negative aspects of a product (I enjoy a Devil's advocate approach) but if you don't own the product and haven't even heard it then it's pure hearsay and your opinion isn't of any value.

post #19 of 106
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

I'll start.

JH16: Less detail and soundstage compared to JH13, Bad build quality..

 

Care to elaborate more please ?  Bad build quality looks like if you are buying a low end earbuds. Let's be fair for sake of trustworthiness

 

From my research on this forum, it looks like JH Audio have had bad times in 2010  or shortly after they established themselves but things improved dramatically in the last 18 months.

 

Have you had a bad experience with JHA ? If so when did that happen ? What kind of flaws did your IEMs have ? cheap cablesl ? bad Artwork  ? component failure ? 

 

Fitting issue is common, that's why most IEM vendors offer a 30-60 days free refit... the rate could vary but you can never expect a perfect seal.

 

Saying that JH16's have less detail and soundstage compared to JH13 contradicts every review verdict comparing both IEMs on many audiophile forums including head-fi.. And that was pre-FreqPhase if anything.  Which version of IEMs are you talking about ? 

 

 

What I also understand is that you've been a  JH16, JH13, UM Miracle, ES5 and UERM owner or at least compared them all together and came up with such conclusion ?

 

Or maybe this is what you read / heard from previous owners ? Worth mentioning.

 

Pardon my offensive tone if anything but what you wrote seemed a bit misleading for the average joe reading this forum.

 

Regards.

post #20 of 106
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To clarify, I have not heard all these products. These are just products of my research. You can totally disagree.

post #21 of 106
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

Saying that JH16's have less detail and soundstage compared to JH13 contradicts every review verdict comparing both IEMs on many audiophile forums including head-fi.. And that was pre-FreqPhase if anything.  Which version of IEMs are you talking about ? 

 

 

I have heard the demo version of JH13 and JH16, and found the JH13 to be better all rounder. I don't know if it was before FreqPhase or not, so I may be totally wrong now. 

Also, there are people who think that JH13 has better value over all.

Like DavidMahler, who have wrote the Battle Of The Flagships tread.

 

But, you should take my words lightly, as I have mentioned that I have not heard or owned all the IEMs that I have mentioned.

post #22 of 106

JH13 and jh16 are so close in price that it's never a factor. They still sell plenty of 13s so enough people still prefer them. Same could be said of the 16 but neither (or both) is the flagship. Jerry's very clear about their sound, purpose and why they are different.

 

Negatives are easy. Custom fit has it's own set of issues. Getting it right and having to deal with refits if you don't. Even if comfy, your ears may not work with where the bores are. I hate ear guides and they all come with them. Guaranteed to tangle, LOL. Takes longer to use and remove. Popping one out for a quick listen to someone isn't easy like a universal. Depending on design, continual in and out can cause some soreness. Silicon can tear. Acrylic has no shock resistance.


Edited by goodvibes - 4/2/13 at 2:01pm
post #23 of 106
I've found with my new CIEMs that if one has TMJ issues or has suffered soft tissue ear injuries (think rugby/wrestling/back alley street brawling) be prepared for slight clicking and popping when moving the jaw or head around despite a comfortable, sealing fit....

same issue for me when I hop out is the shower and walk to work....damp canals allow too much movement and equate to annoying noise...especially on the side I've suffered injuries...

Also...lots of isolation can be a blessing in disguise out and about...

Edit: the Merlin's low end emphasis can spoil folk, acoustic and some indie rock...
Edited by toads - 4/2/13 at 2:42pm
post #24 of 106

Too bad that this thread sunk into oblivion.
I liked the idea of it.
It's pretty hard to filter some negative aspects out of all the diffrent Appreciation(and fanboy) threads.

post #25 of 106
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Originally Posted by toads View Post

I've found with my new CIEMs that if one has TMJ issues or has suffered soft tissue ear injuries (think rugby/wrestling/back alley street brawling) be prepared for slight clicking and popping when moving the jaw or head around despite a comfortable, sealing fit....

same issue for me when I hop out is the shower and walk to work....damp canals allow too much movement and equate to annoying noise...especially on the side I've suffered injuries...

Also...lots of isolation can be a blessing in disguise out and about...

Edit: the Merlin's low end emphasis can spoil folk, acoustic and some indie rock...

 

 

Oh god, that's exactly what I'm suffering from. When i put my customs, I always get uncomfortable click-popping noise after half an hour and sometimes the IEM just fit perfectly sometimes I feel like one side is tighter than the other and sound is unbalanced.... 

post #26 of 106
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Originally Posted by Tom Yum Goong View Post

Too bad that this thread sunk into oblivion.
I liked the idea of it.
It's pretty hard to filter some negative aspects out of all the diffrent Appreciation(and fanboy) threads.

Well, I was hoping that people would post their opinions on iems they have demoed, but they just attacked my opinions. I guess we can try to bring it back.

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Oh god, that's exactly what I'm suffering from. When i put my customs, I always get uncomfortable click-popping noise after half an hour and sometimes the IEM just fit perfectly sometimes I feel like one side is tighter than the other and sound is unbalanced.... 

Me too. I think the click and popping noise is due to sweat or ear wax, but not sure. And I've always had had issue with one side having a tighter seal with iems, universal or custom.

post #27 of 106
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Here is my opinion on UERM:

UERM may be too relaxed for some people. I also feel like it has very slightly forward mids.

post #28 of 106
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Also, putting on CIEM and changing facial expression(like laughing) causes pain.

post #29 of 106

My cost of impressions would have been $75 if I didn't get them for free due to the head-fi meet discount. Interesting thread, too bad I don't have any CIEMs yet until sometime either next week or early in 2 weeks.

 

Edit: the UERM is relaxed sounding? Interesting.


Edited by thegunner100 - 5/15/13 at 6:09pm
post #30 of 106
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Originally Posted by thegunner100 View Post

My cost of impressions would have been $75 if I didn't get them for free due to the head-fi meet discount. Interesting thread, too bad I don't have any CIEMs yet until sometime either next week or early in 2 weeks.

 

I hope you like your UERM. I sure do.

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