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post #46 of 57
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Originally Posted by Deadlovestory View Post

Had the chance to demo the headphones at a local electronic store today, so here's my preliminary impression about the headphones :

So basically the difference between ES-HF300 and ES-FC300 is only the cable; as mentioned before, HF uses 6N-grade OFC cable whereas FC uses flat-type standard cable. The headphone body itself is practically the same; no difference in sound or build whatsoever. This means the 6N cable better justify the price difference; the difference in sound is indeed noticeable compared to the standard flat cable, I'm hearing more depth and separation, but that's all I can tell and I'm not sure if that's enough to justify the price difference.

Build & Comfort
The headphone's aluminum body feels sturdy and well-built, no rough edges or clunky parts. The earpad is on the thick side, and the surface material is quite comfy. The headband clenches quite tightly, although the supple, thick earpad negates the tightness. All in all the fit is quite good, the headphone sits tightly on my ears without hurting it, and stays that way after 20 minutes or so demo-ing it. Not sure about extended use (2 hours+), but so far so good.

Sound
Lows : It's definitely not for basshead, though the bass itself is not anemic in any sense. The bass is there, but the quantity is definitely not MASSIVE, perhaps just a tad bit north of neutral. Decay is medium, not too short or too long. The one thing that impresses me about the bass is the amount of air movements; combined with the deep-ish extension it makes for enjoyable bass to me.

Mids : Vocals. It's the vocals. There are a lot to like from the mids. Vocals are leaning towards the thick side, rendered clearly and beautifully, if a bit too glorified for my taste. Placement wise the vocals sits behind lows and highs, but for some reason it keeps drawing me in, making me end up focusing on vocals. Other than that guitar twang sounds quite realistic. All in all I think the mids is the selling point of these earphones.

Highs : I can't seem to put my hand (or more like, ear) on it, but there seems to be a bit of a suckout around 8k, followed by a slight peak near 10k~ region. Nothing too disturbing though, other than that highs is on the crisp & brighter side, but not bright enough to be annoying. Extension don't ask me, my ears can't hear anything past 15k-16k region tongue.gif

Soundstage & Separation : Size-wise the soundstage isn't massive, but it's big enough for me. Instrument placements and separation are well-defined with lows, mids and highs all taking their own space around my head without intruding each other. Lows and highs sits closer than mids.

Other : I think it has a shallow V-shaped FR curve. Good clarity top-to-bottom but especially from 1k to 10k region.

Other Tidbits 
Can be driven straight of an iPhone without problem, doesn't scale up that well to amps and whatnot since there's not much difference sound-wise when ran out of my Go-DAP X compared to straight iPhone. 

Gears Used
iPhone 4S and Go-DAP X with files ranging from 256 Kbps AAC up to ALAC lossless.

Note that this is only preliminary impression based on 20-minutes demo! Also, what I hear is not necessarily what you'll hear!

Personally I think as a whole the headphones are quite good considering it's Onkyo's first portable headphone. Bassheads or those in Beats camp should look elsewhere, but for the price, It sounded good-but-not-groundbreaking to my ears. 

I wanted to try the IEM as well, but my local electronic store doesn't have it at the moment, so maybe next time.

+1

I just got a pair of the ES-FC300 an hour ago. Been testing them out on my Sansa Clip+. I think your assessment is good based on my initial impressions. They do seem to have a slightly v-shaped response, but the bass emphasis does not extend into the lower mids, which I tend to dislike the kind of warmth that adds. So far the bass response related to the rest of the spectrum seems like my Audyssey EQd HT setup with just a little extra bump on the midbass and lower bass frequencies (like maybe a few db, but hard to guess, yet where I like it). Bass is nice and tight for the price point. Treble is a touch bright in a nice way that brings out detail, but not so much or too sharp as to be overly fatiguing at the volumes I listen--has just a little bit of that sparkle. To me, they sort of fit in that vein of the MDR-V6 and ATH-A900X amount of bass and treble emphasis. Given how difficult it is to find a truly neutral headphone, I think anyone looking for something fairly neutral might want to give these a try.

Also, I wear a XXL hat size. These pads and cups are good size for me for on ear headphones, whereas the DT1350s I had were a little too small, and I always feel like the JVS HA-S400s are really more optimal for a smaller sized head. Not saying that I think they might not fit someone with a smaller head--just that for big guys who really would like to get away from smaller on ears that are obviously designed for the average consumer and not for them, these will be a pleasant surprise.

Once they are broken in a little (I definitely believe some break-in usually helps), I'll post some brief impressions of how they compare to my AKG K550s and SR225is. I'm also looking forward to seeing how they sound with my ODAC and Asgard 2--whether or not that brings out any extra clarity and detail resolution.
post #47 of 57
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+1

I just got a pair of the ES-FC300 an hour ago. Been testing them out on my Sansa Clip+. I think your assessment is good based on my initial impressions. They do seem to have a slightly v-shaped response, but the bass emphasis does not extend into the lower mids, which I tend to dislike the kind of warmth that adds. So far the bass response related to the rest of the spectrum seems like my Audyssey EQd HT setup with just a little extra bump on the midbass and lower bass frequencies (like maybe a few db, but hard to guess, yet where I like it). Bass is nice and tight for the price point. Treble is a touch bright in a nice way that brings out detail, but not so much or too sharp as to be overly fatiguing at the volumes I listen--has just a little bit of that sparkle. To me, they sort of fit in that vein of the MDR-V6 and ATH-A900X amount of bass and treble emphasis. Given how difficult it is to find a truly neutral headphone, I think anyone looking for something fairly neutral might want to give these a try.

Also, I wear a XXL hat size. These pads and cups are good size for me for on ear headphones, whereas the DT1350s I had were a little too small, and I always feel like the JVS HA-S400s are really more optimal for a smaller sized head. Not saying that I think they might not fit someone with a smaller head--just that for big guys who really would like to get away from smaller on ears that are obviously designed for the average consumer and not for them, these will be a pleasant surprise.

Once they are broken in a little (I definitely believe some break-in usually helps), I'll post some brief impressions of how they compare to my AKG K550s and SR225is. I'm also looking forward to seeing how they sound with my ODAC and Asgard 2--whether or not that brings out any extra clarity and detail resolution.

sounds interesting! i saw a pair on ebay for sale final bid at about $71.00 with $22 shipping at least to me and import fee of 15$ maybe. 

 

it was used for 2 months no damage is seems and it was the fc version with a black headphone red cable. 

 

i bid on it but in the end i decided to get the gr07 be edition i saw for 100$ used

 

they look absolutely gorgeous and at that price 108$ for the fc version even if their used i think its fantastic! i dun think the import charge is right, the person selling doesn't see any import tax but whatever if you disregard it is such a steal!

 

but i find on ears to get uncomfortable after a while, i have the noontec zoros and their super light and their well padded, and they have light clamping force but even after around 1.5-2 hours my ears are so sore that i need a lot longer than a 15minute or so break 

 

plus my ears are sweating under it adding to the discomfort. the sound stage was small so i dunno what to really expect from the soundstage of the portables. i haven't actually heard a vast soundstage for headphone standard yet... so i have my skepticism

 

plus its easier to store away iems than headphones, especially since the fc or hf are big for on ear standards (even though their on ears i would compare their size comparable to other full size.

 

if anyone is playing around with earpad changes i would love to read their impressions

 

see if they can make it over ear and maybe improve the sound further!

post #48 of 57

I saw scarce discussion on these so I thought I'd bring up the ES-FC300.

 

Out of the box, they sounded absolutely terrible.  I don't believe in the concept of burn in but these are a special case.  They started out with a veeery noticeable channel imbalance, horrible focus, and a horridly recessed midrange and now they have none of those.  My only real problem is the quantity of bass.  Too much for me!

 

These remind me of the ATH WS99.  They are built almost the same except for the smaller drivers/earcups.  They sound kind of similar but the FC300 is a little more balanced.  The WS99 is larger, so it sounds a little larger.

post #49 of 57
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post
 

I saw scarce discussion on these so I thought I'd bring up the ES-FC300.

 

Out of the box, they sounded absolutely terrible.  I don't believe in the concept of burn in but these are a special case.  They started out with a veeery noticeable channel imbalance, horrible focus, and a horridly recessed midrange and now they have none of those.  My only real problem is the quantity of bass.  Too much for me!

 

These remind me of the ATH WS99.  They are built almost the same except for the smaller drivers/earcups.  They sound kind of similar but the FC300 is a little more balanced.  The WS99 is larger, so it sounds a little larger.

maybe try a larger opening ear tip? like the ones from hifiman?

 

i find that smaller apetures like for example monster turbines, or even the sony hybrids boost the bass 

 

maybe try a bigger eartip too? i find that helps with a more shallow insertion 

post #50 of 57
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post
 

maybe try a larger opening ear tip? like the ones from hifiman?

 

i find that smaller apetures like for example monster turbines, or even the sony hybrids boost the bass 

 

maybe try a bigger eartip too? i find that helps with a more shallow insertion 

 

The ES-FC300 is the on-ear headphone model, not the (IE-FC300) IEM. Don't think eartips are going to work in this case... :wink: 

post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by epithetless View Post
 

 

The ES-FC300 is the on-ear headphone model, not the (IE-FC300) IEM. Don't think eartips are going to work in this case... :wink: 

oh my mistake lol i guess i'm glad that i didn't get it then lol it looks very nice, but it seems like its not for me then

post #52 of 57

Hey guys, I have had this headphone for maybe 6-7 months, bought it brand new from ebay.

 

First time I noticed sound cutting out was when I was walking to the library and anytime i tilted or moved my head the the left, the sound out of the left cup would get lower or chip out. It happens every once in a while and it usually stops after I plug out the cable and re plug it in.

 

It wasn't doing this for the first couple months or I would've probably tried to return it to the ebay seller, though I did notice the connectors on the cable 

moved around quite a bit once connected to the cups but I assumed this was normal.

 

One head-fier thinks its the cable but says I'd get most likely get a better response from the dedicated thread, am I gonna be needing a new cable soon or is this a problem with the headphone altogether?

post #53 of 57
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Originally Posted by uzunaruto View Post

Hey guys, I have had this headphone for maybe 6-7 months, bought it brand new from ebay.

First time I noticed sound cutting out was when I was walking to the library and anytime i tilted or moved my head the the left, the sound out of the left cup would get lower or chip out. It happens every once in a while and it usually stops after I plug out the cable and re plug it in.

It wasn't doing this for the first couple months or I would've probably tried to return it to the ebay seller, though I did notice the connectors on the cable 
moved around quite a bit once connected to the cups but I assumed this was normal.

One head-fier thinks its the cable but says I'd get most likely get a better response from the dedicated thread, am I gonna be needing a new cable soon or is this a problem with the headphone altogether?
Imo i suggest u find a store with shure iems (se215 535 ) and try their cable they have rhe same connectors with ur onkyos. Or buy another a cheap cable from fiio its like 30-40 bucks for those connectors.

If theres a problem return it i think u have a one year warranty so gotta so that quick
post #54 of 57
Thanks for the options, probably gonna get another cable then, I've looked at the ones from fiio, UE, and one called furutech on eBay, is there any preference between them or which has the least noise from the cable rubbing against clothes?

I've got three year Squaretrade warranty for em since Onkyo has eBay as an unauthorized dealer, so it's not a huge problem, at least not for a while tongue.gif
post #55 of 57
Same thing happened to me. I ended up returning them.
post #56 of 57

Anyone know how these compare to the momentum on ears? Might be looking for a replacement to these soon?

post #57 of 57

Had the same connection problem and so I took some tape and just taped the connectors together tightly so that they do not move..it seems to solve the problem temporarily

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