EMU 1212M gives Lynx Two a run for its money
Apr 2, 2004 at 12:56 AM Post #31 of 58
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Originally posted by genefid
emu 1212m just arrived.

impressions soon.
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Goodie! We all want to know, now get listening
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Apr 2, 2004 at 2:13 AM Post #32 of 58
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Originally posted by Iron_Dreamer
Less jitter = better sound.


Man, as you said, listening is subjective to personal preference, how are you going to judge the jitter here??? This does not make sense at all.

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Originally posted by Iron_Dreamer
If you don't believe in judgeing products by how they sound, instead of only how they measure, you are at the wrong site. Go over to hydrogenaudio, I'm sure they'll love you there.


I was there and here, and this forum does not belong to you.

I am talking about facts, but you are not.
 
Apr 2, 2004 at 3:30 PM Post #33 of 58
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I looked again and, you were right, there were two small 49.152 and 45.158 crystals. Very sorry for my mistake, but the two big ones (24.576) caught my eyes first.


thanks yeeyy! when I first looked at the card I couldn't see anything else than two 24.576 crystals just like Mr. Fixup.. now that's clear.. I suppose those two oscillators I couldn't see are of good quality
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also, my preliminary guess for AK4394/5 as a DAC chip was wrong.. seems like Creative has strong partnership with Crystal, so they are using Crystal's flagship CS4398 converter.. and it certainly rocks.. it's a voltage output chip, so in order to skip the nasty analog stage, one can perform Iron Dreamer's RME mod to this card with ease and I'm sure with outstanding results..

those are certainly good news, so everyone in search of great card for decent price go and get this one
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Apr 2, 2004 at 6:39 PM Post #34 of 58
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Originally posted by Glassman

also, my preliminary guess for AK4394/5 as a DAC chip was wrong.. seems like Creative has strong partnership with Crystal, so they are using Crystal's flagship CS4398 converter.. and it certainly rocks.. it's a voltage output chip, so in order to skip the nasty analog stage, one can perform Iron Dreamer's RME mod to this card with ease and I'm sure with outstanding results..

those are certainly good news, so everyone in search of great card for decent price go and get this one
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Hmm that is very interesting, if the mod works as good as it does on the RME this card could be a great bargain, since as you mention it has the great DAC chicp and 192kHz capability.
 
Apr 2, 2004 at 7:42 PM Post #35 of 58
SOmebody needs to try an RME with bypassed opamps versus the EMU with bypassed opamps... I'm all curious now
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It also kinda makes you wonder about something like a Lynx.. if we did this same mod to a card with that high of build quality, what would the result be?
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Apr 3, 2004 at 5:08 AM Post #36 of 58
Lynx uses older CS4396 DAC, while this E-MU is using newer and better CS4398, so with bypassed analog stage E-MU should sound better unless Lynx has significantly better jitter specs and/or power regulation..
 
Apr 3, 2004 at 6:57 PM Post #37 of 58
What about the other parts of the EMU, Glassman? You siad it's got crappy power filtration, and would probably have really high jitter... soooo even though the DAC is "really good", wouldn't those othewr not-so-good parts make it sound a lot worse?

Hmm... I guess it's one of those "Well Sduibek, buy it and see" sort of things
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Apr 4, 2004 at 6:50 AM Post #39 of 58
not exactly crappy, but common, no special care was taken.. regarding jitter, I was judging from what I saw, but I didn't see those two oscillators at first, now I'm sure the jitter specs will be on good level..

Sduibek, search the internet for people's opinions on Crystal DACs.. I'm sure you'll find some comparison.. I wouldn't say Crystal DACs are too analytical or sterile sounding
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Apr 4, 2004 at 6:12 PM Post #40 of 58
from reading on the RightMark forum, apparently this card uses the exact same DSP chip as the Audigy 2.

I own the Audigy 2 and it soudns HORRIBLE. music sounds unbelievably vieled and FAKE FAKE FAKE.

Could the EMU potentionally suffer the same limitations? I have to admit I don't know what DSP chips do. ><

EDIT: wait a minute, DSP would only be used for effects like reverb, so it wouldn't apply to someone like me who's just doing ASIO playback of waves, right? hopefully, heh.
 
Apr 4, 2004 at 11:02 PM Post #41 of 58
That's right, the DSP only effects the 'effects'
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It wouldn't effect music output.
 
Apr 6, 2004 at 5:09 PM Post #43 of 58
Well the Cirrus site says the 43122 is a "conversion" chip.. what the hey does that mean?
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Also 4398 is TSSOP whereas 43122 is TOIC. dunno if that matters.

Other than that they seemed pretty similar.

Oh and the 4398 has better THD... -107 dB
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Apr 6, 2004 at 6:44 PM Post #44 of 58
Actually upon closer look the PCM performance of both is almost the same - same digital filter, same power consumption. Slightly better THD but CS43122 has better dynamic range. The main difference is that CS4398 is DSD capable (i.e. SACD) and runs at 5V instaed 5.5V. And CS43122 still costs 50% more.

Anyway, a sound card with this chip is "only" US$250?
 
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