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skillet said:

So I was correct and it wasn't only me that hear distortion on the DT770 PRO correct ?
 
I mean its common among the DT770 ? Even the 250OHM version ?
 
I was thinking that the 250 OHM version have more POWER to drive the BASS, am I correct ?

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No. In regards to distortion they will all be the same. The only difference between the different ohm ratings is how easy/hard they are to drive.

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skillet said:

So I was correct and it wasn't only me that hear distortion on the DT770 PRO correct ?
 
I mean its common among the DT770 ? Even the 250OHM version ?
 
I was thinking that the 250 OHM version have more POWER to drive the BASS, am I correct ?

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Definitely not. If you listen at high levels the bass distorts everything, especially the vocals. The highs are also pretty piercing. If you want to listen to rap mixtapes at high volumes they sound like ****. Haven't heard the 250.
 
And no you are not correct. They are actually weaker by themselves, and need an amp to get them above whispering levels.

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Definitely not. If you listen at high levels the bass distorts everything, especially the vocals. The highs are also pretty piercing. If you want to listen to rap mixtapes at high volumes they sound like ****. Haven't heard the 250.
 
And no you are not correct. They are actually weaker by themselves, and need an amp to get them above whispering levels.

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Bass distortion only happens in the sub-bass because the lower the frequencies the more pressure the drivers have to exert. Distortion in any of the other frequencies isn't the 770s, its something in your chain.

Also, the 250-ohm Beyers most certainly do get louder than whispering levels without an amp and the built-in amp in SkilleT's motherboard would be more than enough to drive them. Most built-in sound cards wouldn't be sufficient but SkilleT has a motherboard that has a built-in headphone amplifier capable of powering up to 600 ohm headphones.
 
You'd be surprised how efficient the 250 ohm Beyers actually are. My 250 ohm 880s get surprisingly loud connected directly to my Galaxy S2.

Maybe he's trying to play these at a sound level that would melt his face off and the drivers just cannot move that much air.

Okay WOW, the XB500 are $69.99 !!! ? 
 
And I always thought they are like $200+ !!!!
 
how is the XB500 for gaming ? do they sit ON EAR or AROUND the ear like the BEYER ?
 
Can the highs be adjusted through the EQ so it will sound more detailed/bright ?
 
Thanks.

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Maybe he's trying to play these at a sound level that would melt his face off and the drivers just cannot move that much air.

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Yes, that pretty much describes the bass distortion of the 770s. People who don't listen particularly loud or who rarely listen to music that has a lot of sub-bass tend not to notice it.

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Bass distortion only happens in the sub-bass because the lower the frequencies the more pressure the drivers have to exert. Distortion in any of the other frequencies isn't the 770s, its something in your chain.

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Also, the 250-ohm Beyers most certainly get louder than whispering levels without an amp and the built-in amp in SkilleT's motherboard would be more than enough to drive them.

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Well I ran it straight through my MP3 player, and the D2000s and XBs didn't distort as much as the Beyers. So I don't think it's the source. Maybe my pair were faulty.
 
I was exaggerating, and I've never heard the 250s. I've ran similairly power hungry cans through my MP3 player and laptop though, and they definitely were quiet.

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skillet said:

Okay WOW, the XB500 are $69.99 !!! ? 
 
And I always thought they are like $200+ !!!!
 
how is the XB500 for gaming ? do they sit ON EAR or AROUND the ear like the BEYER ?
 
Can the highs be adjusted through the EQ so it will sound more detailed/bright ?
 
Thanks.

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They're supposedly over-ear but from looking at them it looks like the pads would rest on your ears at least somewhat. That said, people say these are extremely comfortable headphones because of their huge pillow-like ear pads.

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skillet said:

Okay WOW, the XB500 are $69.99 !!! ? 
 
And I always thought they are like $200+ !!!!
 
how is the XB500 for gaming ? do they sit ON EAR or AROUND the ear like the BEYER ?
 
Can the highs be adjusted through the EQ so it will sound more detailed/bright ?
 
Thanks.

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Yes they can be EQd. Havent tried them for gaming. And theyre basically leather pillows that surround your ear. Get a bit warm though.
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Yes, that pretty much describes the bass distortion of the 770s. People who don't listen particularly loud or who rarely listen to music that has a lot of sub-bass tend not to notice it.

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I agree. They sounded OK with other music, but once I played some hip-hop or dubstep, the bass heavily distorted the midrange.

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skillet said:

Okay WOW, the XB500 are $69.99 !!! ? 
And I always thought they are like $200+ !!!!
how is the XB500 for gaming ? do they sit ON EAR or AROUND the ear like the BEYER ?
Can the highs be adjusted through the EQ so it will sound more detailed/bright ?

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The Sony XB500 is only 24-Ohms, so it might have a bloated (less detailed bass) if plugged into a motherboard or internal sound card.
A headphone amplifier with a low impedance (3-Ohms or less) would be preferred for better audio quality.

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The Sony XB500 is only 24-Ohms, so it might have a bloated (less detailed bass) if plugged into a motherboard or internal sound card.
A headphone amplifier with a low impedance (3-Ohms or less) would be preferred for better audio quality.

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FYI-- SkilleT's particular motherboard has a built-in headphone amplifier capable of powering up to 600 ohm headphones. That's why I said he would be able to easily power the 250 ohm Beyers. Just wanted to make that clear since most built-in soundcards are very weak.

Yeh But I now left the on board soundcard and bought the SB Z...
 
 
Any thought of the Aurvana Live and XB 500 ? which one is better for gaming/music/bass ?

This feels like a real miss-information thread. i'm no expert, but thought I should chime in.
 
There are 3 possible issues (IMO)
 
- The signal from the sound card is distorted (effects, eq, etc)
- The signal from the amp is distorted (not enough power)
- The headphone drivers are distorting.
 
My experience is with the 770 80's only. If you underamp them, they will distort (and sound bad in the low end).
If you amp them properly (I don't know about sound cards, but there is a reason that many buy dedicated amps
I've not had my 770's distort and if I listen too loud, they can easily make my ears ring if I listen loud. I have heard them them play back a distorted sound from a game, but thats the DAC / game not working quite right.
If its not on one side, (i.e. a problem with a driver), then I would make an educated guess at saying either your sound card is not up to it or your listening levels are much greater than safe levels (yeah, I'm getting old, but I'm a mild-basshead too, thats why I bought the 770-80's).
 
So, aside from telling you to turn it down sonny (ok, I'm only 31), you should think about how good your soundcard is, what it can do and how easy it is to drive a set of cans. impedance is only 1 spec for measuring how easy it is to drive a set of cans.
 
Personally, I would consider a dedicated amp. Even if your soundcard is capable of driving cans, driving them at high levels is not what it was designed to do. 
 
There is much reading on the topics related to this thread, but a good soundcard with a line level out and a dedicated amp should be more suited to destroying your ears.
 
As for other headphone options, be aware that most of the cheaper Ultrasones all seem to have a frequency spike that would likely be very fatiguing / damaging at the levels you are describing. Other cans are also bass heavy, but I think the Beyer 770 80's are a good can for the sound and price you mention.
 
Good luck.

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This feels like a real miss-information thread. i'm no expert, but thought I should chime in.
 
There are 3 possible issues (IMO)
 
- The signal from the sound card is distorted (effects, eq, etc)
- The signal from the amp is distorted (not enough power)
- The headphone drivers are distorting.
 
My experience is with the 770 80's only. If you underamp them, they will distort (and sound bad in the low end).
If you amp them properly (I don't know about sound cards, but there is a reason that many buy dedicated amps
I've not had my 770's distort and if I listen too loud, they can easily make my ears ring if I listen loud. I have heard them them play back a distorted sound from a game, but thats the DAC / game not working quite right.
If its not on one side, (i.e. a problem with a driver), then I would make an educated guess at saying either your sound card is not up to it or your listening levels are much greater than safe levels (yeah, I'm getting old, but I'm a mild-basshead too, thats why I bought the 770-80's).

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Yep. I think there's a good chance that its a combination of some or all of the 3 possible issues you mentioned.
 
BTW, follow the instructions I left in this earlier post and I think you'll find that your 770s do distort regardless of your source equipment:
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/650485/gaming-music-closed-headphones-200/15#post_9152402