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This hobby can seriously improve health. I have a very stressful client facing job. 1 hour on my rig beats any relaxation techniques I am aware of. And it's fun.


Edited by negura - 8/20/13 at 4:19am
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True. I work mostly from home and it does help.
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True. I work mostly from home and it does help.

I was into biking too(not as deep as you), a year ago and then started working from home and I got lazy :)) . The only bad thing about this hobby is that it keeps you in front of the computer a lot :)).

 

Ah and there is one more thing... addiction. Sometimes you get a dark road after you hear something really good. At least I do...and start planning and thinking a lot of how to raise the money & when to get it ... etc :))


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 8/20/13 at 6:58am
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I'm in front of the computer a lot irrespective of my audio gear. It does help with stress as Negura says but it's also distracting. Sometimes I find it difficult to concentrate on my work as the Audezes have a way of pulling you into the music and not allowing you to do much else. If I listen to music during work time I try to make sure it's nothing intense. Right now I'm listening to Brian Eno. Background music. 

 

Head-Fi is very distracting too. It used to be Facebook but nobody discusses anything interesting on there.

 

I think a lot of us are on that "dark road" Dan. I'm looking to buy quite a lot of things at the moment: a good SPDIF converter, possibly a new amp and DAC, and probably some new headphones. Does the HD800 match nicely with the Conductor? Is that headphone really as genre picky as everybody claims?

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I also get carried away often when playing music in the rig, when working from home. The better the gear the "worst" it gets. It is that relaxing and exactly this is why I love it. :) 

 

What I do, I take mini breaks like 10-15mins to chillout. Sort of a non-smokers break it's how I think of it. And I also work long hours often.

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I'm in front of the computer a lot irrespective of my audio gear. It does help with stress as Negura says but it's also distracting. Sometimes I find it difficult to concentrate on my work as the Audezes have a way of pulling you into the music and not allowing you to do much else. If I listen to music during work time I try to make sure it's nothing intense. Right now I'm listening to Brian Eno. Background music. 

 

Head-Fi is very distracting too. It used to be Facebook but nobody discusses anything interesting on there.

 

I think a lot of us are on that "dark road" Dan. I'm looking to buy quite a lot of things at the moment: a good SPDIF converter, possibly a new amp and DAC, and probably some new headphones. Does the HD800 match nicely with the Conductor? Is that headphone really as genre picky as everybody claims?

I know how you feel. I sometimes too get lost in the music and on headfi :))

 

Conductor is a nice match with HD800. Here is my review of HD800 & Conductor. I am sure there are better combos for HD800 out there, but this one is very good too. In some ways they are the best headphones I have heard to date ( so are the lcd3s too, as they complement each other). The hd800 is as good as the recording. If the recording is sibilant, and many are, you will feel that immediately. I like them on most genres, even rock sometimes. I will install the anax mod soon and that should make them rock even better.

 

 

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I also get carried away often when playing music in the rig, when working from home. The better the gear the "worst" it gets. It is that relaxing and exactly this is why I love it. :) 

 

What I do, I take mini breaks like 10-15mins to chillout. Sort of a non-smokers break it's how I think of it. And I also work long hours often.

 

 

As for you..you surely are on the dark path, the dark side of the force :)) . Given into the stax mafia... :P


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 8/20/13 at 9:19am
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The HD800s would be perfect headphones if not for two reasons: the bass rolloff below 100hz ( there's a reason their frequency chart starts at 100 Hz) and the treble brightness (part due to materials apparently).. :)  I know some people accept these flaws or even like them and personal preferences is everything etc...

 

They can both be "fixed"  on most systems, but once you've done that your system will not sound optimal with warmer headphones.


Edited by negura - 8/20/13 at 9:23am
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I have a V200 which is supposed to colour the HD800 quite nicely. My main issue with that headphone is my music rather than my system. Good to know it plays nicely with Conductor but it might not like my lowbrow taste in music.
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This hobby can seriously improve health. I have a very stressful client facing job. 1 hour on my rig beats any relaxation techniques I am aware of. And it's fun.

+1...Same thing for me Raz...

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New Burson 1793 DAC PCB Review

Hey guys,

I have recently received the new Burson 1793 DAC PCB from Burson Audio.

Burson Audio PCB 1793 DAC

Burson released 2 new Conductor SL that are basically the same, except the dac implementations:

I was pretty pleased with the sabre32  dac from the full Burson Conductorand I liked it better than the one in HA-160D implemented around the burr brown chip.

At first I thought the SL 1793 version of Conductor was just meant to be a cheaper and lesser version and it didn’t catch my full attention.

Burson Audio 1793 PCB

Only after I have listened to it, I realized this had another purpose. Both dac pcbs have a different approach in sound reproduction, both very good.

Practically Burson gives  the buyer  the chance to to pick one type of sound depending on personal tastes.

burson audio pcb 1793 dac

I am going to take you through the pcb swapping steps, even though it is very easy.

1. The first thing is to assure you have unplugged the power from Conductor.

2. The second thing you have to do is to find a rectangular screw driver to open the Conductor’s case. I used the one I have for my bike (from Decathlon) :

Burson Audio

3. Get the top off by turning Conductor upside down or just a little on the side.

4. You can see the DAC pcb on the second level fixed into 4 screws. Get the screws off and pull the pcb gently:

Burson Audio PCB 1793 DAC

5. Locate the 3 places to insert the new pcb (1 in front, 2 in the back), assure that all the pins entered correctly and press gently:

Burson Audio

The tests were done with Burson ConductorAudiobyte Hydra-X,  Power Inspired AG500 power regenerator, Audeze LCD2Sennheiser HD800 .

This  hasn’t been easy, as I had to swap the pcb on different songs. However the swapping is quite easy as you can see above.

Let’s go through some songs to hear the actual differences:

Dire Straits – Brother In Arms – Ride Across The River

The voice and the instruments were a little further, deeper into the scene than with the sabre dac.  The guitars were moving into space with such ease and had a very good depth, giving  a holographic experience.

Leonard Cohen – Here it is

The sound was again deeper and the positioning better. The voices don’t have such a good texture, detail and feel like on the sabre 32, and are again a little further in the back, but still very enjoyable, especially with the good positioning of the voices in the chorus.

Infected Mushrooms – Vicious Delicious

The sabre32 clearly has a better punch and more energy. The sound is also more detailed than with the  1793 PCB. However the the 1793 still has more than sufficient punch, more 3d sound with a deeper and wider soundstage.

Pink Floyd – The Dark Side of the Moon – Time

The clock clicks from the beginning show with ease that the Sabre dac is more detailed. However when the ringing begins the sound is more holographic on the  1793 PCB, with better positioning. The guitar more body on the sabre32 , but is deeper in space with1793.

It is clear now what the  1793 PCB  brings forward:

Sound-Stage

Ok this was the first thing that I observed. The sound opened up very a lot compared to the sabre 32 dac. Another thing is that you aren’t in the first row any more. You are listening a little further, like on the 4th row.

Instrument Separation 

The instrument separation is better on the new  1793 PCB  as there is more air between the instruments, and this is another strong point for it.

Positioning

I just love how the sounds play from one place from another and how easy is to distinguish their positions.

Relaxed sound

The sound is more relaxed with the  1793 PCB dac and it doesn’t have the same energy as the sabre32 presentation.

Musicality

I found that the  1793 PCB has a more musical presentation than the sabre32  chip.

Burson Audio 9018 DAC

Conclusions

The new  1793 PCB from Burson is a very strong and viable option. Don’t let the price fool you, as it has a some brings some really strong points to the table.

Burson practically gives you a choice between 2 sound presentations and it is up to your taste to choose one.

So the  main points of the  1793 PCB compared to sabre32 :

  • wider and deeper soundstage
  • better positioning & layering (3d, holographic sound)
  • better instrument separation with more air between the instruments
  • a more relaxed and better musicality

The sabre32 has a more in your face, full of energy and exploding sound reproduction,  bringing you closer to the instruments and the sound.

The strong points of the sabre32 

  • better details
  • better transient response
  • more energetic sound
  • better punch and bass (deeper & more controlled)

Burson Audio

 

Personally, they have made it very hard for me to actually choose one over the other.

For Audeze I loved the 1793 PCB as the sound opened up a lot and the imaging became better, improving exactly what was needed with these headphones.

The sabre32 made HD800 more punchy, giving it deeper bass also, better transients, tactility and energy .

So, overall,  I loved the 1793 with Audeze and the Sabre 32 with HD800. However there were a lot of situations when i preferred the other.

It is annoying I don’t just have a button to press to switch the 2 pcbs.

So Burson did another fine job with the  1793 PCB.

It would be even more awesome to make another PCB that combines all the strong points from both actual implementations.

Burson Conductor

 

Next:

Power Inspired AG500 Power Regenerator Review


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 9/2/13 at 11:56am
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Nice review! I'm curious on what will you choose smily_headphones1.gif
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When you convince someone to start this hobby you are potentially costing them thousands of pounds. No... you are CERTAINLY costing them thousands of pounds biggrin.gif


Nice blog though. I didn't know it was you until you sent me that PM last week.
Thank you Tony biggrin.gif 

It is an expensive hobby, but there are many as expensive or more expensive than this like : photography, tvs, video projectors & video in general, cars, bikes (yes .. bikes, high end bikes that it), etc

One of the reasons I started this blog is to get more people to understand this hobby better. 

People look at a great tv and say...yes...i could spend 1k, 2k on this, but when they see a 500$ headphone they think..."what??? 500$ on a pair of headphones?!?! "

The pleasure returned from headphones can be the same or surpas the pleasure got from the tv.

Well good equipment is expensive but so worth it. Anything and everything is expensive. I have spent at least a third of a million on flats fishing boats and four wheel drive trucks. Then my guns and lets not forget over 40 surfboards over the years and now my diesel four wheel drive expedition vehicle build. Oh and all the photography gear... Now that I think about it my headphone gear has cost almost nothing. However I am lusting after the GS-X MkII and the MSB dac. Someday maybe...
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Well good equipment is expensive but so worth it. Anything and everything is expensive. I have spent at least a third of a million on flats fishing boats and four wheel drive trucks. Then my guns and lets not forget over 40 surfboards over the years and now my diesel four wheel drive expedition vehicle build. Oh and all the photography gear... Now that I think about it my headphone gear has cost almost nothing. However I am lusting after the GS-X MkII and the MSB dac. Someday maybe...

It is painful when more expensive hobbies corner your wallet :))

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I think audio gear also satisfies some strange and innate desire present in certain individuals: The need to research...obsessively. That's as much a part of it for me as anything else. I wonder if there have been any links found between audiophilia and OCD.
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I think audio gear also satisfies some strange and innate desire present in certain individuals: The need to research...obsessively. That's as much a part of it for me as anything else. I wonder if there have been any links found between audiophilia and OCD.

I have researched almost all my life in the field I am, I cannot say I needed more research (however this research tends to be more fun :P )  :)) . I think that this is a very addictive hobby because of the sensation / feelings returned from it. It has  emotional, physical, psychological implications and this is why it gets so addictive.

 

And the research does indeed has it perks sometimes, especially when you discover something that improves the sound substantially. 

 

I think another aspect about it is that after you get something better and improve your sound, you have wow moments and after that the brain gets used to the sound and you want to experience the wow moments again, so practically you get addictive to the wow periods.

 

And yes it is a thin line between audiophilia / obsession / ocd :))


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 8/27/13 at 11:09am
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