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post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by Dylan Yamazaki View Post

Hey payj, I listen to those genres too. Normally, I would lay off open cans for them, mainly because my DT880 (known for strong bass), similar to the HE400, just doesn't deliver the low range as well as even an M50. And we're talking about a D600 here! So there is a huge difference in bass.

On another though, I think you can add a few cans to your list. The new AKG Tiestos sound quite promising, the M100, renown PRO900, hot COPs, and the classic M50. I can't really stand supraaural cans mainly because my ESW9A pads keep biting at my ears. But if you can cope, then the Amperior, DT1350, and TMA-1 may work.

It's nice to see someone on the same boat :)

The HE-400, when properly amped, has significantly more bass texture and kick the DT880s. I own both, and there is no comparison.

post #17 of 29
I got my D600 when they were 400 on Amazon, at that price I have to say they're worth it. At 500 not so much. Sure it's not the end word in hi-fi, even Denon's receivers and home theater systems are not considered *hi-fi* FWIR, but neither are any mainstream tuned cans like Momentum, M100, UE9000, etc. And while they don't quite have the sub-bass of the D5000 or D2000 they still retain amazing extension and will suit your music well.
post #18 of 29

You will be pleased with the d600.

I recommend you burn them in though, even if you like the sound at first listen.

I owned the d2000 and bought the d600 out of curiosity a while ago.

The only thing I missed was the incredible subbass and soundstage of the d2k.

Otherwise, the d600 was in improvement in speed and mids. I did end up selling the d600 because it was loose on my head and because of the price.

 

Since you are coming from $20 sony's, wanting something portable, and you will be getting a decent price from amazon, go with it instead of the he-400s. And if you don't like it, you can either return it or sell it yourself and try something else.

 

It's sad you can't get the Mad Dogs though because you are restricted to amazon; you would have been even more pleased.


Edited by atomikn00b - 12/10/12 at 10:56am
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 

Thank you for the replies. Would I be more happy with the M-100's?

 

Anyone tried both?

post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 

Sorry, that last statement is somewhat subjective. 

 

Would YOU prfer one over the other knwing my genre and everyhitng else I have mentioned? Given reviews quaility etc etc

post #21 of 29
Did you decide? I listen to the same genre and narrowed it down to the D600 and the M100's
post #22 of 29
Ghostchili, if you decide on the D600 I'm selling a pair in like new condition with less than 20 hours on them, pm me if you're interested
post #23 of 29

Imma have to go against the grain here a bit and actually recommend the D600's.  I myself got them for around $320 as well, and find them to be worth it. I also own an original D5000, some Sennheiser Amperiors, a Logitech UE 6000, and a Hifiman HE 5LE, so I've had a bit of a taste of what's available out there, and I'd say the D600's are easily the best for rap (and most electronica/techo) out of all of those, because of their awesome bass.  I strongly disagree with anyone that suggests that the D600 has any less/inferior bass than it's predecessors, and the charts for them prove that:

 

Dennon AH-D5000  vs  AH-D600

 

As you can see, the bass extension is actually better on the D600, but it's also a lot cleaner. It's the muddiness of the bass in the D5000's that makes it seem like they have a lot more sub-bass than they actually do, but the bass on the D600 is right on par with the quality of bass you'd get from a good small studio subwoofer, in my opinion.

 

Personally, I like flat headphones, and for that the D5000's are certainly better, cause everything above the low mids is kind of wonky on the D600, but not enough to be terribly bothersome (for me anyway). It actually took me a long time to decide not to return my D600's when I first got them, because it did seem like they had less bass than the D5000 at first, and they were obviously less flat and had a smaller soundstage as well, so I wasn't too thrilled with them. But now, after listening to them much more closely (and breaking them in for a good while), they're easily the best quality bass headphones I've ever heard, and rap/hip-hop sound great on them.  Hifimans are great too (the 5LE's are the best overall cans I own), but the Denons are easily the undisputed kings of bass as far as I'm concerned.

post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

Imma have to go against the grain here a bit and actually recommend the D600's.  I myself got them for around $320 as well, and find them to be worth it. I also own an original D5000, some Sennheiser Amperiors, a Logitech UE 6000, and a Hifiman HE 5LE, so I've had a bit of a taste of what's available out there, and I'd say the D600's are easily the best for rap (and most electronica/techo) out of all of those, because of their awesome bass.  I strongly disagree with anyone that suggests that the D600 has any less/inferior bass than it's predecessors, and the charts for them prove that:

 

Dennon AH-D5000  vs  AH-D600

 

As you can see, the bass extension is actually better on the D600, but it's also a lot cleaner. It's the muddiness of the bass in the D5000's that makes it seem like they have a lot more sub-bass than they actually do, but the bass on the D600 is right on par with the quality of bass you'd get from a good small studio subwoofer, in my opinion.

 

Personally, I like flat headphones, and for that the D5000's are certainly better, cause everything above the low mids is kind of wonky on the D600, but not enough to be terribly bothersome (for me anyway). It actually took me a long time to decide not to return my D600's when I first got them, because it did seem like they had less bass than the D5000 at first, and they were obviously less flat and had a smaller soundstage as well, so I wasn't too thrilled with them. But now, after listening to them much more closely (and breaking them in for a good while), they're easily the best quality bass headphones I've ever heard, and rap/hip-hop sound great on them.  Hifimans are great too (the 5LE's are the best overall cans I own), but the Denons are easily the undisputed kings of bass as far as I'm concerned.

Its 30Hz squarewave looks like crap though, compared to HE400's 30Hz SW. That is a large gap of bass quality that is objectively shown. So I wouldn't make that statement blatantly if I were you.

post #25 of 29

I'd say the Denons are king of dynamic bass, especially the old series. Some orthos like HE500 and LCD-2 may have better bass quantity and quality, but that's if you spend enough money to amp them, while the Denons dish out insane bass out of pretty much anything. 

post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by LinkPro View Post

I'd say the Denons are king of dynamic bass, especially the old series. Some orthos like HE500 and LCD-2 may have better bass quantity and quality, but that's if you spend enough money to amp them, while the Denons dish out insane bass out of pretty much anything. 

 

You see that's where the HE400s come in, they are much more efficient and is driven by anything entry-level, and retain all of the ortho bass quality (IMO its bass is better than my HE500's in all aspects except extension). D#000 series of Denons have more sub-bass rumble indeed, but that's about it; in terms of texture, tightness, clarity and tactility, HE400s just sound ahead.

post #27 of 29
Like an above poster said, these improve considerably after burn in. If they sounded the way they did when I first got them, I would have returned them. So now I wonder if some previous owners gave up on them too soon. I know the dx000 fanatics are going to hate them no matter what. And I kinda understand since they look no where near as good as the d5000/7000, but I find them to be an upgrade over the previous line sonically. Gone is the grainy mids, harsh treble, and bloated bass. I think denon invested more in the final sound as oppose to the looks. And added the one benefit close headphones have over open headphones the previous line doesn't have....islotation!!
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Its 30Hz squarewave looks like crap though, compared to HE400's 30Hz SW. That is a large gap of bass quality that is objectively shown. So I wouldn't make that statement blatantly if I were you.

 

well, I did mean to say that it was still just my own opinion on the matter.  And if you're talking about this square wave response compared to the original Denon AH-Dx000 series, then yeah, the hifiman's is a little better, but unless I am completely reading these graphs wrong, the D600's response still blows both of those away. Don't get me wrong, I think hifimans have great quality bass (well, from what I can tell after having only heard the HE 500's and my HE 5LE), and hey, in case I am reading those square wave responses wrong, I'd even be open to admit that their bass quality is better than any Denon; but in terms of a good bass quality-to-quantity ratio (i.e. what would make headphones good for rap/hip-hop/electronica), I still think the D600's are hard to beat, and are easily the best I've personally heard in that respect. I can easily detect the rumble from 1-15hz waves on both denons running through an O2+ODAC, whereas I can barely notice anything on my 5LE's until about 20hz. And that shouldn't be surprising, I mean, better bass is one of the 'benefits' of a closed phone design after all...

post #29 of 29

No one's going to be realistically hearing or even feeling 1-20hz bass during a busy song.  Almost all hip hop or electronic songs are mastered with bass spikes around 40-60hz, and that's as low as they go.

 

 

In terms of raw quantity, I don't doubt the D600 has way more of it.  It was designed as a basshead closed headphone to begin with, and its distortion in the bass region is also very high, meaning it'll give you even more bass than the fr graphs represent.

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