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post #16 of 29

In my experience with power cables, if you do notice a difference, the one you were previously using has some kind of fault with it.

I've personally seen noise issues vanish by using a proper cable, but never heard a difference going from good to expensive.

 

I only own one fancy power cable, and it's an XLO with Furutech connectors (rhodium plated, if I remember correctly).

It's a really high quality cable, nice and sturdy, but there's no audible difference between it and any of my good cables.

It did however make the hum go away when I switched from the included cable on my Xindak amplifier (which is why I bought it in the first place).

 

What you can do though, is that many of the DIY-type power cables don't require soldering, so anyone can make the exact length they need.

Many will also last longer than the cheap molded cables, and look cooler, so IMHO it really comes down to how important those things are to you.

 

If you're fine with a lot of tangled up bland, black cable hanging from the back of your equipment, and you have no noise issues what so ever, I'd say save your money.

 

I'm sure some people will just claim I haven't spent enough money yet, either on the cables themselves or the equipment, but at that point you really have to start asking yourself what their agenda is.

Because of my tinnitus I've had my hearing tested several times, and it's still way above average.

post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 

Innos,

Thanks for post.

 

Currently,I have no noise,rumblings,or any other interference ,that I can hear,but,thinking it might still be there,I got interested in this power cord thing,I have a good  friend,another head-fier,who recently purchased a used interconect,for $200.00 from the B/S forum--the company that makes these interconnects is,Straightwire, the price new is $900.00-ouch!!--he too,told me, that they do make a difference..When I bought my firt pair of LCD's,I spent $600.00,no way am I going to lay out $1000.00 for a interconnect cable,so,I kind of know,what you mean by "fancy " cables

 

Here is a link to the one I will order:

 

http://signalcable.com/magicpower.html

 

The reason I've chosen this cable maker is ,because I purchased another item from him,here:

 

http://signalcable.com/silverresolutionxlr.html

 

This cable I purchased used,from,another head-fier,as soon as I got it,I did notice a 2-5% difference in sq quality,both in brightness in the highs,& slight increase in bass depth----these were not..day & night differences,but still,I did hear a difference

 

From this vendor,you get a lifetime warranty,30 day return privledge,,so,although Jason from Schiit states "..power cables are made with 100%BS"...I decided to give it a try,anyway.

Not laying out a lot of money..hope I do hear some improvement.

 

Hope all works out well with the Tinnitus?

 

Mike


Edited by mikek200 - 11/25/12 at 6:52pm
post #18 of 29

You are welcome to try, as I did once. If there's no audible difference then at least you're paying for something that'll last you a lifetime.

Unfortunately my tinnitus is here to stay it seems, but it does get easier to deal with. All those warnings seem so redundant until it actually happens to you, it can potentially ruin your life.

post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 

Well,I appreciate your thoughts,but to be honest,I'm not expecting miracles,but,who knows?

I have a tendency to go with Jason from Schiit on this..I believe he's an electrical engineer,and as we all know,makes outstanding amps & dacs.,so,he knows his stuff...imho.

 

I'll let you know ,after I've tried it for a week or so.

 

Again,hope all works out well with you,I can't imagine what I would do ,if I lost my ability to hear,& enjoy this hobby.

 

All the best,

Mike

post #20 of 29

tt seems people keep missing it. So a power chord with the Schiit will do nothing

for noise, hum, etc. It's balanced so negates any advantages/disadvantages.

 

The Emo gear could be where you find improvement, however unlikely it may seem.

 

Then there's always the case of grit/grain. Which if it's a problem something like a power conditioner or 

isolation transformer would most likely yield an apparent improvement..

 

I think it should be hammered home that as long as you get solid cables with good shielding 

you'll be fine. And you don't need to spend $+100.

 

Cables only yield the small 2-5% improvements. I found power conditioning gave me much better and readily apparent

improvements. Should be noted: I live in an area with poor power, so it may ultimately be unnecessary in most use cases.


Edited by paradoxper - 11/26/12 at 8:36am
post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 

OK-so you share the same opinion on power cords ,as Jason-right?

 

The only other thing ,I am aware of,is th reduction of power in out complex after 11pm,we can see our interior lights dim,and flutter a bit,then go back to their usual, brightness level

 

So,Should I be looking at a power conditioner

Our building complex has it's own power & water plants..

 

Mike

post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post

OK-so you share the same opinion on power cords ,as Jason-right?

 

The only other thing ,I am aware of,is th reduction of power in out complex after 11pm,we can see our interior lights dim,and flutter a bit,then go back to their usual, brightness level

 

So,Should I be looking at a power conditioner

Our building complex has it's own power & water plants..

 

Mike

I've never experienced power chord improvements, So yes. With that said I see no problem in buying a cable

that has more heft to the build or is prettier, etc.

 

Cheap dimmers can introduce lots of noise on the AC line. So you could look into replacing them.

 

I really only believe power conditioning is needed when you have terrible power in your area.

 

The main reason I use 1 is the output is pure sine wave, AVR and general surge protection.

post #23 of 29
Thread Starter 

OK-Tnx,Para

post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

tt seems people keep missing it. So a power chord with the Schiit will do nothing

for noise, hum, etc. It's balanced so negates any advantages/disadvantages.

 

 

Assuming you have the same noise and hum on the inverting output as you do on the non-inverting output and the two outputs are very tightly matched, then a balanced output will cancel out noise and hum.

But if you have different noise on the inverting and non-inverting outputs, the noise will not cancel out.

 

Gotta say I agree with your comments about cables adding 2-5%, though.

post #25 of 29

OP, for your budget and supreme performance get the Shunyata Research Venom 3 ($75 each).   The most important part is from wall outlet to the powerstrip, not so much from powerstrip to the audio equipment.   Start off with one Venom 3 and critique for difference.

 

I am saving up for a White Night Power 5m ($25000) power cord from Coconut-Audio.  It's on sale so I am trying not to miss out the opportunity while you can get them for cheap (introductory price).

 

My second option in the list is Synergistic Research Tesla SE Precision ($2000+).

 

The Shunyata Research Venom 3 however will perform about on par with the $500 power cables.  The ones above $1000 are in a different league.
 

post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 

Hi Chris,

 

So,What you are saying ,is that ,if  I have any noise,and on a balanced system,which I am {mj/gung}...noise will be cancelled out-correct?

If I'm using the emotiva-mini,it will NOT be cancelled...am I reading you correctly?

post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by goodolcheez View Post

OP, for your budget and supreme performance get the Shunyata Research Venom 3 ($75 each).   The most important part is from wall outlet to the powerstrip, not so much from powerstrip to the audio equipment.   Start off with one Venom 3 and critique for difference.

 

I am saving up for a White Night Power 5m ($25000) power cord from Coconut-Audio.  It's on sale so I am trying not to miss out the opportunity while you can get them for cheap (introductory price).

 

My second option in the list is Synergistic Research Tesla SE Precision ($2000+).

 

The Shunyata Research Venom 3 however will perform about on par with the $500 power cables.  The ones above $1000 are in a different league.
 

Thanks Goodolcheese,

 

I will go over the links you provided-Tnx

 

Mike

post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post

Thanks Goodolcheese,

 

I will go over the links you provided-Tnx

 

Mike

 

No problem.  thecableco.com has all sorts of cables listed.  Audio interconnects, power cords, etc.  They also have home-trial program where you can try out any cables of your choice for 2 weeks at 5% of the value of the cable (used).  They've got all kinds of power cables including Shunyata Research. This cable is very critical as it performs as good as the $500 ones if not better.   I might pick up several of those after I get one "good" one for wall outlet to the powerstrip.

post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post

Hi Chris,

So,What you are saying ,is that ,if  I have any noise,and on a balanced system,which I am {mj/gung}...noise will be cancelled out-correct?
If I'm using the emotiva-mini,it will NOT be cancelled...am I reading you correctly?

Hey Mike,

Balancing cancels out some forms of noise, but does not cancel out all noise.

Chris
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