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AKG K167 TI

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Cant wait until I can answer that. I was considering Momentums, DT770, COPs, K701/Q701, M50s, 940, and a handful of others. For me listening is almost purely a portable experience. Most of my listening comes on planes, so a closed all-round phone with good bass and treble was what I was shooting for. Everyone makes me think these fit the bill. Soon to find out.


   I'll be using these for a 12 Hour flight so I can comment on that firsthand... monday, depends how soon you want to know. Still not done with miows 24HR playlist but Im listening anyways and the bass is clean and deep and Listening to DJ Fresh - Louder gives me happy feelings everywhere, treble is VERY clear I have no complaints. I felt like I was listening to a K530 (Airy, Recessed) out of box but burn in really changes everything lol


Yes please. I'd love to hear your thoughst on how portable they were for the flight, how long could you wear them before fatigue, and how they sounded overall. Sounds like a perfect test for my needs/wants. Thanks.
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AKG K167 TI

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Sorry, should have specified. I was talking to Alpha10 who posted brief impressions on the K267s. 

 

EDIT: Does the coiled cable's weight get in the way if you plan to use it portably? Also, those who already have them, would you mind telling how the hinges feel?

 

Normally, I despise coiled cables.  But, this one happens to work quite well.  It is not a cable that is a burden, it is relatively lightweight, and when retracted, the coiled portion is only about 18" and then you have a 20" and 6" straight wires from the cup to the coiled part and the coiled part to the plug.  The standard plug is a 3.5mm plug. However, there is a 1/4" screw-on gold plug that really works well, and since it is a screw-on variation, it is more secure and you are less likely to lose it.

 

The hinges have a single post point where they attach and swivel at the cup level.  The connector post is about 1/4" in diameter and seems solid - possibly made from the carbon plastic that the rest of the headphone structure is.  Granted, the headphones will not take a lot of abuse from throwing around like a studio monitor might - but, they are not super fragile, either. Certainly under regular use, they will hold up quite well.

 

I've got to admit, at the $200.00 price point, the K167 is a real winner.  I will post my impressions on the sound a bit later tonight, yet it is very good. I do have some suggestions about the sound where I can make some very low cost (almost free) recommendations on some "work-arounds" that a person could use to tailor the sound for them.  Granted, there is no single one heapdphone that will appeal to all.  But, I do think there is some nice flexibility with these cans that makes them a pleasure to own.

 

More to follow a bit later ....


Not sure why, but I could read reviews for days on products I like.
Can't wait to hear your opinions on sound.
post #603 of 1488
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   I'll be using these for a 12 Hour flight so I can comment on that firsthand... monday, depends how soon you want to know. Still not done with miows 24HR playlist but Im listening anyways and the bass is clean and deep and Listening to DJ Fresh - Louder gives me happy feelings everywhere, treble is VERY clear I have no complaints. I felt like I was listening to a K530 (Airy, Recessed) out of box but burn in really changes everything lol

I am SO glad to hear that. I cannot stand airy cans; they remind me of listening through an iPhone speaker.

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Remember the fact that air plane engines tend to kill a lot of bass response. YMMV
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Remember the fact that air plane engines tend to kill a lot of bass response. YMMV
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for those you have the k167, how is leakage for someone sitting beside you?
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Thread Starter 

She says she can hear a bit, but nothing serious.

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Yes please. I'd love to hear your thoughst on how portable they were for the flight, how long could you wear them before fatigue, and how they sounded overall. Sounds like a perfect test for my needs/wants. Thanks.

  Sure thing! I'll do half amped and half unamped, since I only have one Sony CP-EL which is enough for 3 full E11 charges or 1 full Vita charge (source 1). I will only be bringing these as nobody replied to my stuttgart thread.

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Remember the fact that air plane engines tend to kill a lot of bass response. YMMV

   

    Yep, but I think the main concern for planes would be leakage, comfort, and portability asides from altered sound signature due to surroundings.

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AKG K167 TI

Is there an extended battery for the e11? My L9 cable and e11 should be here via Amazon prime, Monday. Will have to wait until wed for the 167. I don't think I am going to wait for xmas to use these, like my wife wants me to, since its my gift from her.
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Got a quick listen to the big brother K267, sound is similar, with the K267 you can adjust the bass slightly, build quality is definately better and that's what you pay for, they are not as comfortable as the K167 mainly because they are heavier and they also don't isolate as well, I was a happy though, since the K167 is much better for the money.

did you notice what the headphone jack inputs were?
3 pin xlr, 3,5mm, or something else?
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Is there an extended battery for the e11? My L9 cable and e11 should be here via Amazon prime, Monday. Will have to wait until wed for the 167. I don't think I am going to wait for xmas to use these, like my wife wants me to, since its my gift from her.

 

 

  I hope you ordered before the price bounced back from $49 to $59! Also... L9 is a disaster at this point for me, it gets in the way so I've velcro'd both sides of the E11 so it can be applied either way because of this issue. (itouch 4thgen) 

 

Tell her it takes 2 Days to burn in and that you will do extra chores and stuff (we wimminz like you men doing the dirty work). I use the CP-EL from Sony, it is a 2750 MAH Rechargable Cycle-Energy product: You can get 3 1/2 full charges of the E11 with one charge cyle of the CP-EL. So 4 1/2 charges before dead.... makes the E11 a workhorse :)

 

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AKG K167 TI

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Originally Posted by LiIy View Post

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Originally Posted by Minarets View Post

Is there an extended battery for the e11? My L9 cable and e11 should be here via Amazon prime, Monday. Will have to wait until wed for the 167. I don't think I am going to wait for xmas to use these, like my wife wants me to, since its my gift from her.

 

 

  I hope you ordered before the price bounced back from $49 to $59! Also... L9 is a disaster at this point for me, it gets in the way so I've velcro'd both sides of the E11 so it can be applied either way because of this issue. (itouch 4thgen) 

 

Tell her it takes 2 Days to burn in and that you will do extra chores and stuff (we wimminz like you men doing the dirty work). I use the CP-EL from Sony, it is a 2750 MAH Rechargable Cycle-Energy product: You can get 3 1/2 full charges of the E11 with one charge cyle of the CP-EL. So 4 1/2 charges before dead.... makes the E11 a workhorse :)

 


Yeah, I grabbed it last Thur for $49 and the L9 was $9. Ill be using it with a ipod classic.
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Doesn't one of the websites for AKG sell a pouch for these headphones as an accessory? if there is, that is all I need ^^

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OK.  I am ready to post some impressions on my K167 headphones, now that they've had about 8 - 9 hours of play time towards the break-in process.  

 

When I initially received my pair this morning via FedEx Saturday delivery, I carefully opened the box by using a box cutter to simply make small cuts through the plastic wrap and the small circular clear plastic tabs to hold the cardboard together at key points.  The headphones then slid out of the side of the box within their molded plastic shell. The 1/4" adapter was pre-attached to the cable, so there were no loose parts in the box, or rolling around.  The headphones were held into the plastic shipping / display shell by three wire ties.  Each tie can be untwisted from the back of the shell, and then the headphones can be lifted out.

 

I carefully realized how light the headphones were within my hands.  The coiled cable was a bit of point that I took notice on, but didn't scoff it off.  Instead, I'm using the headphones with an extension cable and will rarely ever have to extend the coil to achieve a longer length.  I test fit the headphones onto my head.  In my case, I don't have to extend the cups out any further using the extenders that are recessed into the headband.  I also noticed the nice amount of padding / cushion that was built into the headband itself and would work to provide comfort on the top of the head while wearing them.  During the test fit, as well as during listening sessions, I was able to conclude the comfort level was in the range of where the Fostex T50RP headphones are, when it comes to comfort.  To me, the T50s are about the most comfortable headphones that I've ever owned.  Other headphones have had a point or two that would tend to slightly bother me at one point or another.

 

I then went through a series of listening sessions.  I'm using my Yamaha 2-channel gear to drive the headphones via the headphone jack.  There are very few home audio items that have been sufficient in my experience with driving headphones.  However, Yamaha - when it comes to modern day gear has been quite effective and I prefer using the Yamaha gear over many of the dedicated headphone amps that I have owned in the past.  The Yamaha provides me with tone controls, a balance control (if needed) and a variable loudness control to dial in the tone that I desire to use ... especially for lower level listening.  This ensures that the dynamic range of the sound is available, even at lower levels of listening.  My music source is a Logitech Squeezebox Classic, which I use to retrieve files from my computer that are 320kb VBR MP3 files, or FLAC files.

 

Initially, I found that the upper end detail was a bit sparkly for the music I prefer to listen to.  However, I can't say I was surprised by this as the detailed upper end frequencies has been pointed out a few times in this thread.  Also, I do realize that there may be some sound change as the headphones break in, so this is not a deal breaker for me.  For someone who really toes the line with a desire of a more neutral response and has gear that will not let them EQ the sound, then they may have an issue with how dynamic these headphones are.  Again, though, it's not a deal breaker for me.  Remember, it's always best to have a little more of something which you can reduce via tone controls etc. - as to go the other direction by adding something back in that isn't there is always much harder.  Additionally, I used some craft felt and cut circles large enough to fit into the ear side of the cups and are held in place by the ear pads themselves.  T{he use of the felt did not do anything to veil the sound at all.  My intention of using it was to help by assisting at damping some of the upper frequency detail.  Using felt that is simply inserted means that it only has to stay there as long as  you want it to be there.  I'll evaluate the headphones again in a week after using them more and determine if I like them with the felt either in place, or removed.  Again, that decision will occur in a week for me after more break-in time has been allotted.

 

The total picture on sound?  Well, as I bounced around and listened to some key music that I like to play when using a new pair of headphones to check the sound performance from many angles, a smile remained on my face.  With many of the different genres that I was able to play through them, the K167s handled the music well.  The mid-range capability is very good with these headphones as stated by others earlier makes most music sound "just right" and not lacking.  The bass?  Well, others have stated that initially the bass is a bit weak, but improves.  However, even with these headphones being used immediately, I liked the bass that was there and the bass that I heard.  It wasn't a "one note" bass either.  It extended deep, moved well with the music and really showed its colors.  The bass that was present had me really impressed because even in my home, I use an SVS subwoofer for my music listening.  The SVS is not a boomy sub, but a sub that is capable of delivering bass just as it was meant to be heard, and felt.  The K167s are that way, too.  The don't interject some bloated bass that is there to cloud the music.  Instead, the bass is there and responsive at the appropriate times in the music and is depending on which instruments are being used at the time.  The bass is also present with vocals - depending on the artist.  In this case, the bass makes their vocals seem even more realistic - as if one were listening to the artist live, and not distant in a recording where vocals can oftentimes seem distant.

 

When it comes to design and sound, the K167s have me really impressed.  Normally, at this stage if there are a handful of things that are nudging me a bit, I can develop buyer's remorse.  If a case of buyer's remorse sets in, then I'm often  not too likely to be patient to see if anything changes.  Yet, to get such a great sound from a nicely made headphone for the price of $200.00, I really don't see any case of buyer's remorse setting in for these headphones with me.  Instead, I do see a place for them to remain in my collection and be used quite frequently.

 

So, from what I've written out here, one might think that these headphones are sweet as candy, right?  Well, I think in order to be objective, one has to review all sides of an item and it has to be considered with a realistic set of expectations, yet to also take into consideration how a product will stand up and serve a purpose each day.  While I do give the K167 points for the great sound and the fit which, to me, seems to be a very nicely designed fit for extended periods.  But, there is a small nag that I do have to communicate, too.  If there was just one wish that I could make for these headphones so that I could give them a full "10" out of a 10 score rating, it would be that the ear pads to have a slight bit more padding thickness.  Yes, just another 1/4" in thickness would have been quite an improvement.  While I don't have huge ears, but what I consider average ears, I do feel that there are times where my ears, or parts of them could be right up against the speaker baffle.  If the padding thickness were just slightly more present, that would give these headphones an ultimate score.  In the days ahead, I'll look over these headphones more to understand the methods used to secure the padding.  I believe in my case, I might benefit by going forward with making my own pair of pads to use with these headphones using some real calf skin that I have, which is very soft.  Used with a 1" high density foam padding, I believe I would be able to create the ultimate set of ear pads to go along with these great headphones for ultimate comfort.

 

In closed, I guess I should provide my thanks for the Harman Companies, as the parent of AKG for producing a great pair of headphones.  While these headphones were created and the name of an artist was attached to them, I'm just happy that I have a pair of headphones that stands up nicely to my expectations with a great quality towards sound reproduction and the cost for such quality comes at a price that is affordable for many people.  When I look at the competition in the $200 price point league, the Grado SR-225i comes to mind.  Two years ago, I would have thought that at $200 the Grado SR-225i was an excellent performer for the $200 price point.  Now, we have the K167 from AKG, which in my opinion doubles the performance of the SR-225i,  yet keeps the price at $200.  In all seriousness, I think the $200 AKG K167 should make a lot of other competitors in this price league a bit nervous.  To get comfort and great sound for $200 certainly has to be a bit of an intimidation factor for those others who have offerings at $200 - $400, but may not offer as much as the K167 when it comes to comfort and sound quality.  Finally, for those who might have owned a budge pair of headphones - let's grab the Brainwavz HM5 @ $120.00 for example.  If a buyer were to just come up with $80.00 more and put it towards a pair of K167s, they'd feel that the improvement leap when it came to sound would be much more significant than just the $80 difference in price.  Simply put, the sound increase is hundreds of dollars ahead of the $120 offering for a generic pair of headphones.

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Great read. I happen to like brighter sounding headphones so I think I will really dig these. Can't wait for them to arrive!

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