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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

Get the boy the Beats. Perhaps the Mixr since they're supposed to be better than the others. I'm not saying Beats aren't terrible but its where most inevitably start. How are you going to appreciate better audio quality dollar for dollar if you haven't heard something not so good... The point is, he's only 11. He most likely doesn't care about how they sound, he wants to be popular. Eventually he'll realize theres better stuff out there and buy that instead

mixrs..... did you know they clamp with the force of a... uhh... clamp? i literally could not have them on my head for more than 30 seconds, as they cut off blood circulation to my ears and i might risk having to amputate them if i wear them for too long( i wear glasses)

post #122 of 206
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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

Get the boy the Beats. Perhaps the Mixr since they're supposed to be better than the others. I'm not saying Beats aren't terrible but its where most inevitably start. How are you going to appreciate better audio quality dollar for dollar if you haven't heard something not so good... The point is, he's only 11. He most likely doesn't care about how they sound, he wants to be popular. Eventually he'll realize theres better stuff out there and buy that instead

Then again if you get him something better that he chooses through educating him on the subject and he can convince people he is cool because he is expressing his individuality instead of following the mass think, then not only will he truely be "cool" but he might learn a valuable life lesson from it.
post #123 of 206

I heard the Executives today and was impressed that they were actually good.  Really solid construction which is what I liked the most.  They might've been a winner if they didn't have active noise cancelling 

post #124 of 206
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Originally Posted by Doc-holliday View Post


Then again if you get him something better that he chooses through educating him on the subject and he can convince people he is cool because he is expressing his individuality instead of following the mass think, then not only will he truely be "cool" but he might learn a valuable life lesson from it.

He's 11.  It doesn't work like that, and its probably just going to make him unhappy 

post #125 of 206
Thread Starter 

Yikes, a lot of action on my thread! But let's try to stay on topic from now on.

 

As for the k550 recommendation, that's definitely an option as we sell it at the store. Only problem is the non detachable cable which is kind of a shame. Like I said, this saturday I'm bringing him to demo a wide variety. We'll see how it goes!
 

post #126 of 206
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

Yikes, a lot of action on my thread! But let's try to stay on topic from now on.

 

... well you were gone for two days

post #127 of 206
I'm 14 so I'm guess I don't have much say here but HEY! smily_headphones1.gif When I was 11 I like Beats but I never wanted them since back then I thought "All headphone sound the same just the design matter" & so I use Apple stock earbuds that hurts my ear for long term listening.

Last year, when I found out better headphone makes different :O I start wanting Beats!!! Then here comes Google I search it all around and found out Beats ; bad rating, plastic degrading so and so. There i start looking for better sounding headphone(cause honestly, I don't care about design). I heard Sennheiser PX-100(ii) are pretty good. So I headed to Apple, I saw BEATS Solo HD, I tried them then find PX-100, it's out of stock so I got other HP, the Incase Pivot. While it sound better than Beats Solo HD in every expect but not the Studio.

This year, I got the XBA-4 that really impressed me on how good they sound!

Here's my conclusion: let him try those Beats (like you going to do). Then ask him what's his top propriety. For some kids(like me) I don't like admit "I lose", so you don't talk to him like"See? Beats sounds really bad! The cheaper headphone here sound better than it!" Or "Told ya! Now, which one you like better?" Just react normally. He will keep look/listen to the ones he prefer smily_headphones1.gif
post #128 of 206
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Originally Posted by DivergeUnify View Post

I heard the Executives today and was impressed that they were actually good.  Really solid construction which is what I liked the most.  They might've been a winner if they didn't have active noise cancelling 

 

 

its good that you like it but the one that i tried in best buy, i put it down after like 30 seconds. way too distorted, that was my impression... i didnt use my source, i just listened to whatever they had on demo. and they were blasting it too, maybe thats why the distortion on the pair that i tried was so high...

post #129 of 206
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

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Here's my conclusion: let him try those Beats (like you going to do). Then ask him what's his top propriety. For some kids(like me) I don't like admit "I lose", so you don't talk to him like"See? Beats sounds really bad! The cheaper headphone here sound better than it!" Or "Told ya! Now, which one you like better?" Just react normally. He will keep look/listen to the ones he prefer smily_headphones1.gif

Thats the best advice given yet. Kid teaching us all how to handle kids.
post #130 of 206
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Originally Posted by JuanseAmador View Post

Guys, I'm 13, and I totally HATE Beats. Even before I even knew what audiophiles were. I think that if you show him this, coming from someone his age, he will understand.
Swag really means "Secretly We Are Gay" I'm serious. Swag is a word used by douchebags and morons, so is YOLO. Tell him that if he wants to be a *********
(no offense) he should buy Beats, and put his pants on his knees and shout YOLO everywhere, etc.
Please buy him any other headphone and make him listen and I'm sure he will see, I've convinced many friends, One of them will buy Bowers & Wilkins and the other one ATH-M50's
Tell him this exact words: "Bro, headphones are made for listening not for fashion and looks. If you love music you can wear a clothes hangers as headphones and not give ****."

Lol. You sure are 13... no offence to that particular age group.


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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

Get the boy the Beats. Perhaps the Mixr since they're supposed to be better than the others. I'm not saying Beats aren't terrible but its where most inevitably start. How are you going to appreciate better audio quality dollar for dollar if you haven't heard something not so good... The point is, he's only 11. He most likely doesn't care about how they sound, he wants to be popular. Eventually he'll realize theres better stuff out there and buy that instead

I don't like to admit and rant about it but this post infuriates me. 
-I don't know where you come from where "most" have the money to start on multiple-hundred dollar headphones, let alone where starting out on Beats would be considered "inevitable"

-since when do you have to have an "audio quality dollar for dollar" learning process? That's long wording for wasting money. Audio quality and value are two very different things. There can and IMO should be a SQ increase process, value itself should always be as high as possible.

-so... an 11year-old wants to be popular, and you think giving him the crap he wants, instead of educating him, will make him grow out of that. Good thinking...

post #131 of 206
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Originally Posted by Rosbife View Post

 

I don't like to admit and rant about it but this post infuriates me. 
-I don't know where you come from where "most" have the money to start on multiple-hundred dollar headphones, let alone where starting out on Beats would be considered "inevitable"

-since when do you have to have an "audio quality dollar for dollar" learning process? That's long wording for wasting money. Audio quality and value are two very different things. There can and IMO should be a SQ increase process, value itself should always be as high as possible.

-so... an 11year-old wants to be popular, and you think giving him the crap he wants, instead of educating him, will make him grow out of that. Good thinking...

+1 from here

 

Just spreading chrismas joy in the sense many are talking about is IMO to fail as parents, and supporting something that is not healthy. Parents are there to guide, not to spoil and suppose the child will grow up by himself without interference, and be all good. The facts show the opposite when you look at the world and people in general IMO.

This, to me, is lack of responsibility. Why should the principles change with age, why should he be more educated in audio and life in general, if the child is just given what he wants?

post #132 of 206

It just doesn't make sens. How can he become "popular" by getting to own what everybody else does? That looks like an oxymoron to me. He won't become popular, he'll become a sheep. Nobody here watched the movie Wall-E?

 

People who are popular are people who do things, not have things. I believe your little brother is at a point in his life where he thinks that you are what you have. Most people go trough this stage, which is inevitable in the capitalist world we live in. Some people mature out of it, but sadly many people do not. Getting your little brother the beats he wants will only confirm his view of the world, and it'll reinforce his idea that he really is what he has. He'll then go trough his adolescence with the sole idea of owning more and more flashy toys, and literally "measuring" his life's success by the amount of money he gets to walk around in. (as in the price of his clothes and the toys in his pockets)

 

I understand 11 is young to understand this, but hey, it's worth a try. If I had a little sibling going trough this, I'd try to make them understand. Even if it takes years. I'd be more willing to buy a kid an expensive gift if the kid didn't feel like owning it was a matter of life or death.

 

I'm just curious, do you guys have V-Moda gear at the store?

post #133 of 206
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Originally Posted by Rosbife View Post

I don't like to admit and rant about it but this post infuriates me. 
-I don't know where you come from where "most" have the money to start on multiple-hundred dollar headphones, let alone where starting out on Beats would be considered "inevitable"

-since when do you have to have an "audio quality dollar for dollar" learning process? That's long wording for wasting money. Audio quality and value are two very different things. There can and IMO should be a SQ increase process, value itself should always be as high as possible.

-so... an 11year-old wants to be popular, and you think giving him the crap he wants, instead of educating him, will make him grow out of that. Good thinking...

Sorry you feel that way. But in the grand scope of things, it's only a headphone c'mon now. And it's not like once the kid finds that he doesn't like them, he can't find another kid to sell them to. I don't think something like purchasing a headphone should be a life lesson, nor are Beats the bane of humanity. (though they are not up to snuff in comparison to other headphones)

post #134 of 206
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

Yikes, a lot of action on my thread! But let's try to stay on topic from now on.

As for the k550 recommendation, that's definitely an option as we sell it at the store. Only problem is the non detachable cable which is kind of a shame. Like I said, this saturday I'm bringing him to demo a wide variety. We'll see how it goes!

 

Bro, if he wants Beats, he will not accept anything else
post #135 of 206
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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

Sorry you feel that way. But in the grand scope of things, it's only a headphone c'mon now. And it's not like once the kid finds that he doesn't like them, he can't find another kid to sell them to. I don't think something like purchasing a headphone should be a life lesson, nor are Beats the bane of humanity. (though they are not up to snuff in comparison to other headphones)

"Only a headphone" has the potential to turn into "only a car". 
"Only a car" can turn into "only a house".
"Only a house" can turn into "only a second house".
"Only a second house" can turn into "Only $80,000 in debt".

Mind you, just purchasing the Beats isn't necessarily going to send someone down this spiral, but the core principal remains the same. The marketing that we are exposed to tells us that we need energy drinks to feel awake, pills to "satisfy" our partners, a new Ford with more LCD screens than horsepower to get to where we need to go in style, expensive cologne, acne medication, technologically-advanced razors and designer suits to get a date, payday loans to afford all of this stuff, and antidepressants when the bank takes all of it away.

But perhaps the marketing that Beats and similar companies in many areas use is the most evil. This style of marketing portrays an object as "cool" and "popular" directly towards impressionable and developing teenagers and children. This causes envy, resentment, and tension between children who have these products and children who don't, further socially isolating children from low socioeconomic households. 

When a child sees Beats, they don't see a "cool" or "trendy" or "fun" item. They aren't saying "Wow, this is so cool!" 

They're saying, "If I have this, people will like me."

This is the same mentality that fuels overconsumption. It leads to people buying seven-figure houses on five-figure salaries. It leads to people eating five-star dinners while their families eat hot-dogs and boxed mac and cheese. It leads to a lot of people on this forum buying $1000 cables that they don't even want.

And it may work for a little while. It'd be cool to have a friend with a mansion and jet-skis, not going to lie. That might lead to some fun times. But here's the issue, these people wind up being so deficient because they've never had to work at improving themselves to be liked. They didn't have to learn how to be funny, or empathetic, or wise, or intelligent growing up. They were liked because of what they had, so they had no reason to improve who they were. Well, as previously mentioned, children and teenagers are typically developing and impressionable. As adults, few people can relate to these "overconsumers" because they're deficient as people. They typically wind up feeling lonely and misunderstood.

The principles that can lead to overconsumption can be nipped in the bud right here and now with this lesson. If he's given the Beats, perhaps the OP's brother will learn this lesson in the future, and perhaps he already has. Regardless, reinforcing that"who you are" and "what you do" are the keys to being understood and appreciated, and that "what you have" is completely disposable, is imperative to the formation of healthy and happy individuals.

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