duncan said:

Sparky - If you're talking about the Sony's, they are the MH1 - there is a big thread about them - which can be found here...

However. as per the warning in the first post, be sure to get the right version for your device - however, all isn't lost, if you do get the wrong version, there are pin reversal cables such as the Fiio LU1...

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I have the MH1c I just hate the cable these look the same only without the daft control unit that puts such a weight on the cable.

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Not that I'll actually want to put JB on Ace, but it is there to prove a point. I actually don't dislike iPhone as purely a smartphone, but I am just against a closed system. ..

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Thanks for the info on the cable.

I don't know what your point is about the phones. There advantages and disadvantages to a closed system.

Forced obsolescence occurs with all the mobile phones. I don't see much difference between Sony and Samsung in this regard.

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I have the MH1c I just hate the cable these look the same only without the daft control unit that puts such a weight on the cable.

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Yup, they are, although they don't appear to be made as well as the standalone version (underneath the rubber tip, the wax guard on the MH1 long cable is mesh with a little bit of fabric[??] in the middle, versus just a tissue like substance on those included with the MW1)...

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Yup, they are, although they don't appear to be made as well as the standalone version (underneath the rubber tip, the wax guard on the MH1 long cable is mesh with a little bit of fabric[??] in the middle, versus just a tissue like substance on those included with the MW1)...

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The filter on the shorten MH1 actually is the latest version. The older version uses multi layer of material as earwax repeller, damper and moisture barrier, the newer filter is closer to an all-in-one solution, which I think they have adopted to all of the newer Sony headset.. I actually suggested the R&D team to consider packing a few spare in future so user can replace it when dirty.

Thanks for the insight ClieOS...
 
I will admit that I probably prefer the sound of the pair that was included with the MW1 (newer version) than the MH1C (thought it was placebo, but - maybe not afterall!!) - Regardless, the MH1 as a product bracket scale very well, and respond superbly to EQ'ing...
 
They even made me brave enough to pick up a pair of XBA-4ip (after my love / hate affair with the EX1000)...  Not bad at all, but - definitely not worth in excess of 20 times the cost of the bargain basement MH1!! 

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Btw, there's another contender, the HTC BH S600, which I'll be gettin soon. If it's ok with you, I'm going to post my impressions vs. the HS3000 here. Sadly, I don't have the MW1 any longer.

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Just a heads-up for those who're wondering about the HTC BH S600, I received it two days ago and it's going back where it came from. Tried it with several earpieces, and paired with my SGS3 the sound quality is a clear step down from the MW1 / HS3000 and significantly worse than a wired connection. Apparently ClieOS is right when he says that aptX alone doesn't guarantee great sound quality. Too bad, cause I actually liked its form factor and minimalist design very much.
 

Huh, wasn't even aware HTC had put that out... The Sony SBH20 that ClieOS mentioned a few posts ago has a similar minimalist design and form factor. I wasn't particularly impressed with HTC's previous BT receiver either, tho it wasn't specifically made for headphone use (the car clip or whatever that came out last year with the One X).

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Huh, wasn't even aware HTC had put that out... The Sony SBH20 that ClieOS mentioned a few posts ago has a similar minimalist design and form factor. I wasn't particularly impressed with HTC's previous BT receiver either, tho it wasn't specifically made for headphone use (the car clip or whatever that came out last year with the One X).

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So the Car Clip wasn't particularly impressive? It's been a top gadget wet dream of mine to plug that into the line-in of a small portable amp, say the Fiio E6, but I never pulled the trigger.
 
I was enthusiastic about aptX for a while, but then I recalled the 200+ episodes of Detective Conan I watched, and I thought "wow good name they picked! who would knowingly name their product APTXblablabla"... just kidding.
 
I just kept having a nagging feeling about how much difference it's gonna make, and ultimately I don't think Sony and Apple are not onboard with aptX simply because they don't want to pay, or they're dragging their feet. Apple often refuse to jump into things until they consider it stable/mature to a certain degree. The technology is still moving along with more products supporting AAC, so in theory if your song is AAC it's just beamed to the receiver and decoded there...if you don't run into a compatibility issue with certain versions of iOS. Of course then as a head-fier, you run into the issue of how good the receiver is as a source.
 
Also, I must get this off of my chest: The current ipod shuffle probably draws less than half the power a BT receiver like MW600 draws (comparing their respective battery capacity vis-a-vis real world battery life). That does not include the power the phone requires to run and broadcast BT audio. So I've been back and forth on BT receivers for 4-5 years and I always gravitate back to the notion of I'm paying $50 to cut a cord that costs maybe a few cents tops and possibly lose some sound quality. Mind you, the only actual length of cord you're cutting is the 20-30? centimeter from where it departs your body to the 3.5mm jack on the phone.
 
I swear I'm not down on BT, but the search and wait continues. For usability, for battery life, and for great sound. (if the source is gonna be crippled by SBC, mask it with a good analog section or even just a forgiving tonality. MD manufacturers did this all the time back when ATRAC was crap!) On the big Japanese forum 2CH, for years (at least since the Sony A820 launch), there's always been a snarky, sarcastic sub-title to the BT audio thread that says 毎年元年 or 年年是元年, which we can roughly paraphrase as: "they keep sayin' it's gonna go BIG this year!"

I compared the Car Clip to an older BT receiver I have (Miccus BlueBridge mini-jack Rx, it's like $35 on Amazon), using my HTC EVO 4G LTE which should've meant aptX was enabled for the Car Clip (no way to tell tho)... Couldn't really tell the difference between either one while playing back CD rips over my car stereo or a pair of powered monitors, so I just ended up returning the Car Clip.

I've been pretty satisfied with my MW600, tho I keep meaning to sit down and compare it to something like the Clip Zip or a straight connection into my phone... Admittedly I've actually been using it more with my M-80 and a short 1 ft cable than with my Ety IEM, so it's a bit more practical than it'd otherwise be for some. Ultimately it's all about that for me, same reason I use BT in the car...

Get in, hit play on the steering wheel, start playing back all of the music I've recently sync'd/bought, no wires or even taking the phone out of pocket, it's just convenient. I've been toying with the idea of making an NFC tag to slip into my dash, so that when I do actually take the phone out of my pocket and place it on dash the phone will automatically queue up a preset driving music playlist and start playback.

I think I agree that something like the Clip Zip/iPod shuffle is probably more sensible for a lot of situations, I might actually start using my Clip for more than just running now that I can actually transfer music to it straight from my phone (using a USB OTG cable). I think the iPod's dominance has actually stagnated the whole DAP market tho...

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So the Car Clip wasn't particularly impressive? It's been a top gadget wet dream of mine to plug that into the line-in of a small portable amp, say the Fiio E6, but I never pulled the trigger.
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HS3000 actually will be great for plugging into an small portable amp. It will fix the bass roll-off as well as increase the power, which are the two main downside of HS3000. There you have an apt-X supported BT receiver, no bass roll-off and great in power. While it will be bigger than MW1, it should at least match or beat it in overall performance as BT solution for streaming music to headphone.
 
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I just kept having a nagging feeling about how much difference it's gonna make, and ultimately I don't think Sony and Apple are not onboard with aptX simply because they don't want to pay, or they're dragging their feet. Apple often refuse to jump into things until they consider it stable/mature to a certain degree. The technology is still moving along with more products supporting AAC, so in theory if your song is AAC it's just beamed to the receiver and decoded there...if you don't run into a compatibility issue with certain versions of iOS. Of course then as a head-fier, you run into the issue of how good the receiver is as a source.
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Sony has already signed a deal with apt-X. Funny however is they are only using it on a BT portable speaker for now, not even on the just released Xperia Z. The problem with Sony is that the company is too big and separated into too many departments (which seems to only mind their own part of the business). I hope the smartphone department can get up to speed and implement it as future firmware update, if that's possible.
 
Apple on the other hand just doesn't like to license other's tech. If they want to do BT (or wireless) streaming, they will most likely come up with a new codec and lock it down under their own patents. This way they can make money on it instead of giving money away.
 
 
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Also, I must get this off of my chest: The current ipod shuffle probably draws less than half the power a BT receiver like MW600 draws (comparing their respective battery capacity vis-a-vis real world battery life). That does not include the power the phone requires to run and broadcast BT audio. So I've been back and forth on BT receivers for 4-5 years and I always gravitate back to the notion of I'm paying $50 to cut a cord that costs maybe a few cents tops and possibly lose some sound quality. Mind you, the only actual length of cord you're cutting is the 20-30? centimeter from where it departs your body to the 3.5mm jack on the phone.
 

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For me, it is a different story. Listening to music on iPod means not able to listen to the cellphone ringing (vibration is a hit / miss when you don't have a tight pant). Listening to music on smartphone on the other hand mean shorter battery life on the cellphone (which is already too short for any smartphone these days). Using MW1 gives me solution to both problem. The multipoint connection means I can have both devices connected to MW1 at the same time., music comes from iPod (Nano 7G has BT support) while I don't have to worry about missing call, battery life or memory space on the smartphone. It is all about creating a sensible all-in-one wireless solution with the best possible SQ that doesn't require too much compensation on either portability or battery life. This is especially important when I have to be away from a wall socket for an extended period of time.

Meanwhile, the latest firmware update to the MW1 is still seriously buggy...

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For me, it is a different story. Listening to music on iPod means not able to listen to the cellphone ringing (vibration is a hit / miss when you don't have a tight pant). Listening to music on smartphone on the other hand mean shorter battery life on the cellphone (which is already too short for any smartphone these days). Using MW1 gives me solution to both problem. The multipoint connection means I can have both devices connected to MW1 at the same time., music comes from iPod (Nano 7G has BT support) while I don't have to worry about missing call, battery life or memory space on the smartphone. It is all about creating a sensible all-in-one wireless solution with the best possible SQ that doesn't require too much compensation on either portability or battery life. This is especially important when I have to be away from a wall socket for an extended period of time.

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Indeed, there's also the all-too-common first world problem of having a wire dangling from a device you may be holding in your hand for the better part of the day depending on your job or whether you're traveling etc. I use my MW600 a lot when traveling since I can switch seamlessly between my tablet and phone without the wire bouncing around between devices or hanging from my hand as I move about airports etc.

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Meanwhile, the latest firmware update to the MW1 is still seriously buggy...

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The latest apps update for the phone hasn't addressed the firmware issue yet. I guess we have to wait for F firmware to see a fix. I went back to D, but decide to stay at E in the end. The problem doesn't seem to affect Xperia TX and Nano7 much so I can deal with them. Would have stayed at D if I am still using GT7+.

Sorry if this has been asked in the thread before (I've looked over each page on the thread but may have missed it) but can the music on the TF card be seen and controlled from an Android device. Would be a fantastic feature to be able to have 64gb of offboard music storage controlled from your phone while leaving the internal phone storage free but maybe its just a pipe dream until future versions. 

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Sorry if this has been asked in the thread before (I've looked over each page on the thread but may have missed it) but can the music on the TF card be seen and controlled from an Android device. Would be a fantastic feature to be able to have 64gb of offboard music storage controlled from your phone while leaving the internal phone storage free but maybe its just a pipe dream until future versions. 

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Why do you want that? Music (mp3 or wave) stored on MW1's TF card can be played directly by MW1 (*acting as a standalone mp3 player) without the need of a smartphone. So you already saving space on the smartphone already.