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post #421 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

Who's on first, What's on second? It's getting hard to tell who said what and when. It's refreshing to hear the occasional nonexagerative comparison.

Both of David Mahler's descriptions.
post #422 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post


Both of David Mahler's descriptions.

Not David Mahler, the ex-lawyer from LA.

post #423 of 1025

The HD800 is 2 times more expensive than the HE-500, which one is a better value (price/performance)?

In this case the HD600 is a better value than HE-500 and the HD598 is a better value than HD600, IMO.


The HE-500 is more all-rounder than the HD800 and I think the HD800 hasn't been made for some genres such as hip hop.

To me the HD800 is a Ferrari 458 and the HE-500 is a Ford F-150, of course the Ford F-150 is more all-rounder car.

post #424 of 1025
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

The HD800 is 2 times more expensive than the HE-500, which one is a better value (price/performance)?

In this case the HD600 is a better value than HE-500 and the HD598 is a better value than HD600, IMO.


The HE-500 is more all-rounder than the HD800 and I think the HD800 hasn't been made for some genres such as hip hop.

To me the HD800 is a Ferrari 458 and the HE-500 is a Ford F-150, of course the Ford F-150 is more all-rounder car.

Does that mean you're upgrading to the HD598's better value that you used to enjoy? :D Just kidding.

post #425 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post

Just putting in quotes from the "Battle of the Flagships" article. Notice how he says "very close" and "lacks just a hint." That doesn't sound like "A sonic league over one another."

"NEUTRAL: The HE-500 offers a very neutral tonal balance. All across the board, I do not notice any peaks that compromise the tonal balance. When compared directly against the HE-6, I feel that the HE-500's sound presentation lacks just a hint of air and dynamics, but many may prefer its less aggressive style."

"IMAGING: The HE-500 demonstrates remarkable imaging capabilities, even if not quite as impressive as the HE-6's. I feel as though the HE-6 offers a quicker decay which improves the three-dimensionality of the instruments, but the HE-500 is very close in this regard."

 

Based on "Battle of the Flagships" article.

 

ORDER OF SOUND QUALITY:

 

6. SENNHEISER HD800
7. HE AUDIO JADE
8. AUDEZ'E LCD-3
9. HIFIMAN HE-6
10. STAX SR-007 MkI
11. AUDEZ'E LCD-2 (Revision 2)
12. GRADO HP2
13. AUDEZ'E LCD-2 (Revision 1)
14. BEYERDYNAMIC T1
15. STAX SR-007 MkII
16. STAX SR-Sigma
17. HIFIMAN HE-500

post #426 of 1025
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

 

Based on "Battle of the Flagships" article.

 

ORDER OF SOUND QUALITY:

 

6. SENNHEISER HD800
7. HE AUDIO JADE
8. AUDEZ'E LCD-3
9. HIFIMAN HE-6
10. STAX SR-007 MkI
11. AUDEZ'E LCD-2 (Revision 2)
12. GRADO HP2
13. AUDEZ'E LCD-2 (Revision 1)
14. BEYERDYNAMIC T1
15. STAX SR-007 MkII
16. STAX SR-Sigma
17. HIFIMAN HE-500

Keep in mind, he used a Woo 5 amp for the HE-6 that only has 1.5w out of the K1K port...and I am willing to bet it will go into current-limiting long before it even hits that full 1.5w

 

Oh, and the HE-6 will hit 10w peaks at my loudest volume too...so yeah


Edited by brunk - 1/1/14 at 7:52pm
post #427 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Does that mean you're upgrading to the HD598's better value that you used to enjoy? :D Just kidding.

 

Hmm... I think I've just started to like this thread. ;) 


Edited by pdrm360 - 1/1/14 at 7:54pm
post #428 of 1025
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post

...of course the Ford F-150 is more all-rounder car.
...for transporting building equipment or small farm animals while wearing a denim tuxedo. 8^)
post #429 of 1025
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post

The HD800 is 2 times more expensive than the HE-500, which one is a better value (price/performance)?
In this case the HD600 is a better value than HE-500 and the HD598 is a better value than HD600, IMO.


The HE-500 is more all-rounder than the HD800 and I think the HD800 hasn't been made for some genres such as hip hop.
To me the HD800 is a Ferrari 458 and the HE-500 is a Ford F-150, of course the Ford F-150 is more all-rounder car.

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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post

Based on "Battle of the Flagships" article.

ORDER OF SOUND QUALITY:

6. SENNHEISER HD800

7. HE AUDIO JADE

8. AUDEZ'E LCD-3

9. HIFIMAN HE-6

10. STAX SR-007 MkI

11. AUDEZ'E LCD-2 (Revision 2)

12. GRADO HP2

13. AUDEZ'E LCD-2 (Revision 1)

14. BEYERDYNAMIC T1

15. STAX SR-007 MkII

16. STAX SR-Sigma

17. HIFIMAN HE-500

That means nothing. They could all be within 5% of each other and still be ranked like that. *wink*
post #430 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Keep in mind, he used a Woo 5 amp for the HE-6 that only has 1.5w out of the K1K port...and I am willing to bet it will go into current-limiting long before it even hits that full 1.5w

 

Oh, and the HE-6 will hit 10w peaks at my loudest volume too...so yeah

The WA5 amp has a K1000 output port that puts 8W into 120 ohms...so like 10W into 50 ohms. And according to ears I trust (Frank I, David Mahler and others), the WA5 is a FANTASTIC and end-game amp for the HE-6s.

 

http://wooaudio.com/docs/wooaudio_amplifier_comparisons.pdf


Edited by MacedonianHero - 1/1/14 at 8:03pm
post #431 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

He said, "OK, the HE-6 and HE-500 are in same league if they are driven by a regular headphones amp." If you do that the HE-6 should come out very low in volume and sound unimpressive due not only to low volume but the way we perceive bass and treble at low volume. The HE-500 does not need to scale well by using a speaker amp whereas the cans you mention require large amounts of power in order not to sound bad and be misleading as to what they really sound like. IMO the term scaling is often misused to mean vastly superior.

 

I'll ask again..  Have you heard the HE-6 on multiple headphone and speaker amps?

 

I suspect you have not.  

 

Only because if you have, You would know you can get the HE-6 to get to ear splitting volume levels on "just about" any headphone amp within reason.  Sorry my friend - It's not about the amount of volume it gets.  It's about the SQ it achieves at what ever volume it gets.

post #432 of 1025
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

The WA5 amp has a K1000 output port that puts 8W into 120 ohms...so like 10W into 50 ohms. And according to ears I trust (Frank I), the WA5 is a FANTASTIC amp for the HE-6s.

http://wooaudio.com/docs/wooaudio_amplifier_comparisons.pdf

If this is the case, then it looks like his thoughts on the HE-500 and HE-6 mirror my own.

I also think the Stingray is the ear I've heard for the HE-6. Ya'll should try it sometime.
post #433 of 1025
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

The WA5 amp has a K1000 output port that puts 8W into 120 ohms...so like 10W into 50 ohms. And according to ears I trust (Frank I and others), the WA5 is a FANTASTIC and end-game amp for the HE-6s.

 

http://wooaudio.com/docs/wooaudio_amplifier_comparisons.pdf

No....that is the speaker output. Read the actual product specs on the WA5, http://www.wooaudio.com/products/wa5.html

 

Sorry, but I don't think the K1K port is anywhere near end-game..just saying

  • Headphone Amplifier Specifications:
  • Headphones impedance : 8-800 Ohms
  • Frequency response: 10 Hz—60 KHz, -2dB
  • Power output >= 1.5 watt
  • Signal/Noise: >= 95 dB
  • THD: <= 0.08%, 1Khz
  • Speaker Amplifier Specifications:
  • Power output: <= 10W x 2, THD <= 3%, 1Khz
  • Frequency response: 16—38 Khz, -2dB
  • Output impedance: 8 ohms
  • Signal/Noise: >= 90 dB

Edited by brunk - 1/1/14 at 8:05pm
post #434 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

No....that is the speaker output. Read the actual product specs on the WA5, http://www.wooaudio.com/products/wa5.html

  • Headphone Amplifier Specifications:
  • Headphones impedance : 8-800 Ohms
  • Frequency response: 10 Hz—60 KHz, -2dB
  • Power output >= 1.5 watt
  • Signal/Noise: >= 95 dB
  • THD: <= 0.08%, 1Khz
  • Speaker Amplifier Specifications:
  • Power output: <= 10W x 2, THD <= 3%, 1Khz
  • Frequency response: 16—38 Khz, -2dB
  • Output impedance: 8 ohms
  • Signal/Noise: >= 90 dB

You missed the K1000 port (not the speaker output)...that's the 4 pin XLR port that outputs it in the link I gave you. The WA5LE doesn't have this, but the WA5 DOES! Please see the attached link and this is well known of the WA5 amp. The Woo website is not very clear about this (it used to be, but was changed for the worse). Head on over to the Woo thread...it's very well understood there. 

 

http://wooaudio.com/docs/wooaudio_amplifier_comparisons.pdf


Edited by MacedonianHero - 1/1/14 at 8:09pm
post #435 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post



That means nothing. They could all be within 5% of each other and still be ranked like that. *wink*

 

5% is a lot in sound quality, IMO. 

 

That means the HD800 is (11 * 5% = 55%) better than the HE-500. ;)

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