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Originally Posted by
spritzer 
If you want people to build the amp in any quantity then I'd advise either to use the 2.5" onboard heatsinks or set the boards up to use angle brackets as it makes assembly and servicing much easier.
Yeah, a large problem is definitely the cooling issue. It was nearly impossible to solder together the magnet "bond wires" I used for the TO-220s in this case, cool idea, terrible execution. I'm working on a second set of PCBs right now that use onboard heatsinks; I'll probably use the Aavid-Thermalloys (Digi-key HS380-ND or variant), since they're pretty well-available and dissipate lots of heat.
I just got an email about the diyAudio chassis(es?) that look pretty cool, any thoughts on the universal mounting standard?
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/images/diy/store/board-documentation/universal/universal-mounting-specification-v2.1.pdf
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/site-announcements/209285-diyaudio-store-usa-soon-stock-chassis-requesting-your-feedback.html
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Originally Posted by
jcx 
the Wilson Current Mirror is only worthwhile with matching Q - to have one of the Q be a much lower hfe, larger area, radically different doping profile with 100s of V Vce means the Ib matching condition is not even close
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_current_mirror
I hadn't realized the 3rd transistor also needed to have an Hfe match for a perfect mirror. It's really not to make the mirror better, but rather I use it because it at least allows me to match the bottom two transistors. In this case, both halves of Q2 are a matched pair (at least NXP's BC857BS is indicated as such). I trust a little bit more in using a bottom matched pair and a mismatched cascode versus trying to match Vbe on two different high-voltage devices. The latter seems like a poor idea, especially due to the power dissipation and temperature imbalance that'll be involved. I kind of think of it as a current mirror feeding a common-base amplifier as a tunnel device, though that may not be exactly true.
The few simulations I've done also tell me that distortion goes way down versus using two KSC5027s/FZT560s in the 2-transistor arrangement.
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Originally Posted by jcx 
the global feedback buffering, low gain op amp stages add unnecessary loop phase shift
admittedly the chosen op amps are quite fast - but running such fast op amps at unity or low gains challenges local bypassing, requires gnd plane, imposes layout constraints
usually single or dual op amps are used for the greater choice, layout flexibility, better circuit isolation
The buffering's necessary to prevent loading issues (before I buffered, the input divider took too much current in order to give good bandwidth into the op-amp summer). There shouldn't be much phase shift since the op-amps are rated out to 50MHz (well, so maybe a couple of degrees of phase shift), and they're internally compensated to be unity-gain stable.
I actually believe it's common practive to reduce parasitic capacitance by eliminating the ground plane around the op-amp (more information at http://www.support.wdv.com/Electronics/Fab/PCB%20Layout/HighSpeedPCBLayout.pdf, pg 70). I applied local bypassing with a ceramic underneath the DIP footprint, and a tantalum a little while away, seems to work OK so far.
The biggest layout restriction was probably the voltage stand-off distances; I tried to ensure that traces weren't too close given their voltage differential.
The quad package was mainly chosen for price and simplicity (routing less power pins gave me more room for signals).
Op-amp rolling will be hard with this circuit, since there's minimum bandwidth and gain requirements that most audio op-amps will fail. I'm not sure that different op-amps will even sound that much different here, as long as they don't cause instability. They're not acting as active gain devices, nor are they outputting much current, so it should be OK.
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Originally Posted by jcx 
and output Q selection is important - better bipolar may only be temporarily available - new MOSFET like IXYS IXTP01N100 are possibilities
It's hard to make good analog circuits using MOSFETs, I believe. Mainly because most modern MOSFETs are specifically NOT RATED for the linear regime. They'll probably blow up (literally), since they're meant for switching purposes where power dissipation is minimal. Thermal runaway due to temperature variances in the die will happen, unless you run parts very conservatively. Unfortunately I think that places most FETs out of the picture for this design.
More details: http://sound.westhost.com/articles/hexfet.htm and http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1155.pdf. The failure mode illustration in the last link is particularly showing.
One thing that makes me feel uneasy is the use of devices that don't have published SOA graphs (whether BJT or FET), because that usually means the manufacturer only intends use in switching applications. They might blow up, they might not, who knows?
Ultimately we are at the whim of the manufacturers. High voltage devices are out of fashion, so I'm not sure how much longer DIY stat amps are going to be around, given the dwindling device selection.
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Originally Posted by
jcx 
I disagree with Gilmore's practice of using device limitations for loop gain compensation: semiconductor junction parasitic C, ft roll off are nonlinear with device operating point
use faster parts, make the loop gain compensation explicit with quality C and gain design flexibility
even ceramic NP0/C0G are way better caps than a semiconductor junction
Sorry, these are the fastest devices that I could find at Digi-Key given the voltage requirements (I didn't realize the existance of the 2SC4686 at Mouser, but it's still somewhat EOL, so I'm not sure how I feel about using them).
I'd like to use a good 'ol dominant pole capacitor, but I don't see a way to do it without putting the capacitor would in the signal path (if not, putting it in the compensation network leads to serious high-frequency peaking).
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Originally Posted by
analogsurviver 
Very intersting contribution. Subscribed. Any real data/meausurements with real world load, ie. electrostatic headphones attached ? The graphs seem to show performance of the amp without any load. Particular of interest is power bandwidth and rise time(s) for given capacitive load (s).
I tried to be fairly conservative in design, so the simulation runs are done with a 160pF capacitive load attached. The 500 ohm output resistors are to minimize the phase effect of the capacitive load, so it should be stable given most (if not all) electrostat headphones. Can't speak for ESLs though.
I haven't been able to get any more real-world data because the high-side power supply seems to have arced over (oops). When I get the new run of boards, I'll let you all know.
Thank you for the support and feedback so far. I hope I can make this a little more accessible for people who want a slightly more advanced DIY design.
edit: didn't realize post sounded so angry, edited to be happier, my bad
Edited by cyanoacry - 10/29/12 at 4:29am